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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:Why is it nuts to blame some losses on Rogers' hands of stone.

Because you're equating interceptions to automatic points. When our defense got turnovers the offense rarely capitalized off of them. I don't see how him getting picks would undeniably win us games.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
I don't have a skins suck agenda and I don't see it this way. I see Walt was a liability, not a contibutor. Maybe a system issue, maybe a coach issue. I didn't see him performing here.

On a side note, he does catch better than Rogers Twisted Evil

It very well could have been a system issue, the same thing happened to Hall. That is a very valid point. Although I do like to stir the pot, that particular post wasn't intended to come off like that. Laughing Which is why I ignored the tirade.




Harris didn't do well in our system, plain and simple; he's a zone corner, always has been, who was forced to play man cover with the Redskins. When he went to the Niners, he played in a more zone coverage system that just fit him better.

And it had nothing to do with the pass rush, or the players around him, as you intimate below:

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Rogers is going to leave and go to a team with a pass rush that isn't atrocious and become Walt Harris 2.0.

For those who don't remember, Walt was another "bum" Redskins DB who got burnt... He went to the 49er's and became probowl material.


See you're back to knee-jerk posts. In 2005 (Harris' last season with the Redskins), the Skins had 32 sacks. In 2006 (Harris' first season with the Niners), they had 34 sacks. It's not like those extra 2 sacks per year meant the difference between an "atrocious" pass rush and a good one. And the Niners defense of 2006 most certainly did not have better players than the Redskins Defense of 2005. He went from a top 10 defense in 2005 to the worst defense in the NFL in 2006.

The Skins in 2005 were 9th overall in defense (both points and yards); the 2006 Niners were 26th in defense in yards, and 32nd overall in points against.

Seriously, I know that the period between roughly mid-September to July, you turn all sorts of insane-o pessismistic about the Redskins, but you may want to do a little research to support your anti-Redskins rants once in awhile.

And for what it's worth, Brandon Lloyd in 10 games for the Bears had 26 catches, 364 yards, and 2 TDs. For a #2 receiver, that's not success; those numbers are seriously pathetic (Per game average of 2.6 catches and 36 yards).

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't have a skins suck agenda and I don't see it this way. I see Walt was a liability, not a contibutor. Maybe a system issue, maybe a coach issue. I didn't see him performing here.

On a side note, he does catch better than Rogers

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cleg wrote:Carlos
One thing really has nothing to do with the other. If Carlos fancies himself a top NFL corner and expects to get paid like one he has to start coming up with interceptions and making more game changing plays. Until then he is not going to be considered an elite cb. Other top defensive backs turn int's into big plays for their teams, Rogers can't do that on a consistent basis because he has terrible hands. Obviously this example is a little over-the-top, but would people look at Ed Reed the same way if he constantly dropped int's? He wouldn't be anywhere near as valuable to Ravens as he is now if he did that.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:2. I lasted until mid-Nov before seeing the writing on the wall.

In the 5 games that he did start, he had 16 catches, 269 yards, and 2 tds. Not great, but not terrible and much better than what he did here.

If you project the numbers that he posted in the games that he started to a full 16 game season, it would come to 51 catches, 848 yards, and approximately 6 tds. So in the games he started he played well and wasn't "pathetic" as you describe him.