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SlkyCaramel wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I like what Sellers just said on the post-game. "We gotta score points and we're not doing that." It's that simple.

Yep. Oh on a positive note, I like that he got a lot of touches this game, he played well.

I have to agree. I think we should go often to Sellers the rest of the season
as an experiment, as least, and then next year build our running game around him and Portis. The guy can run the ball and Portis may last a few more seasons as a consequence. Why don't the coaches know that. We can use Sellars to punish tacklers two and three at a time.

What can I say?

This team has some holes and they are being exposed every week. The same weaknesses we were talking about in the past are still there.

Pass rush, Receivers, and QB. Improvement in these three areas are obvious. I am just ready for the draft already.

Next year hopefully the QB position will be competed for in Camp. I just hope we dont just hand the job to JC. I want it to be an open competition to start the best guy.

Trade for Calvin Johnson to get a real receiver. Draft some Dline and Oline help.

I think the team is officially imploding now. And Zorn doesn't have a clue how to stop the bleeding.

The defense doesn't trust the offense.....some of the offensive players don't trust the QB, the QB doesn't trust the o-line and no one has confidence in their ability to score points.

But benching Portis in the second half doesn't seem to me to be the way to stop the slide, and I think it's a sign that the HC is imploding along with the offense.

I don't know if anybody else mentioned this or not, but...
Did anyone else notice after the 3rd and goal screen pass that went for 2 yards (thus bringing up 4th and goal), that Jim Zorn said "what down is this" when the camera panned on him? I'm not a lip reader, but I'm almost positive that's what he said. If that's the case....you gotta be kidding me. The point is moot seeing that the Skins scored on the next play, but this is ridiculous.

HEROHAMO wrote:What can I say?

This team has some holes and they are being exposed every week. The same weaknesses we were talking about in the past are still there.

Pass rush, Receivers, and QB. Improvement in these three areas are obvious. I am just ready for the draft already.

Next year hopefully the QB position will be competed for in Camp. I just hope we dont just hand the job to JC. I want it to be an open competition to start the best guy.

Trade for Calvin Johnson to get a real receiver. Draft some Dline and Oline help.

Just trade for Calvin Johnson? And then draft some help?

If we traded for Calvin Johnson we wouldn't have a draft. It'd probably take two first round picks.

Gibbs4Life wrote:I'm not sure we can fix things this year, its personnel, Vinny has his work cut out this year

And, as in every other year, that work will fall woefully short of being properly accomplished.

with this team, (oline) i almost rather see than lose out and get a better pick, cause we all know this team this year will go no where in the playoffs

Gibbs4Life wrote: We've got more holes than a pack of swiss cheese and it all starts w/our aging oline.

That's the main problem, right there. The entire O-line has looked poor the second half of the season, and can neither pass nor run block worth a darn. Every position along the O-line should be an open competition come training camp next year.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:What can I say?

This team has some holes and they are being exposed every week. The same weaknesses we were talking about in the past are still there.

Pass rush, Receivers, and QB. Improvement in these three areas are obvious. I am just ready for the draft already.

Next year hopefully the QB position will be competed for in Camp. I just hope we dont just hand the job to JC. I want it to be an open competition to start the best guy.

Trade for Calvin Johnson to get a real receiver. Draft some Dline and Oline help.

Just trade for Calvin Johnson? And then draft some help?

If we traded for Calvin Johnson we wouldn't have a draft. It'd probably take two first round picks.

Exactly. Trading for Calvin Johnson is very stupid, especially doing so BEFORE the team fixes the O-line issues. Detroit is leading the league in sacks given up (49!), and they're closing in on a winless season - that Calvin Johnson is a real difference-maker! I guess having Calvin Johnson doesn't help if your QB is lying on his rear half the game. Star WRs are overrated - if you want a great passing game, get a good QB and give him time behind a solid O-line (something the 'skins sorely lack), and the numbers will come, even with average WRs. Look at New Orleans - #1 in the league in passing offense, yet their highest-ranked WR is only #25 in receiving yards! The Giants don't even have a WR in the top 50 in individual stats (we have two - ey and ARE), yet still average more passing yards/game than the 'skins!

Wow... Monday morning QB'ing with the advantage of hind-site really isn't too difficult, is it? It is far easier to whisper advice from the safety of cover rather than risk its merit at the point of attack.

O-line, O-line... O-line. Period.

Forget pass blocking, these guys are so frail and tired, they can't even run block anymore. Can't remember how many plays I saw Sellers and Thomas outright miss blocks on run plays. Seriously. Sellers was the lead blocker and he missed blocks, actually didn't even block anyone. Same with Thomas. He pulled on several run plays and simply blocked NO ONE! The injuries just added fuel to the fire.

The skill players (QB, RB, and receivers) can have no success, whatsoever, with such a disastrous o-line. JC didn't play too badly and the mistakes came from broken pass protections. They couldn't even get the running game going because the o-line couldn't open any holes. They were decent at the beginning of the year, but are too old and have no stamina to sustain the year.

And why were Chad Rinehart and Jason Fabini deactivated in favor of the inexperienced Justin Geisinger? This o-line is the problem and needs to be overhauled.

This is football, so you'd expect the other team to make plays against you. But the other thing that really irritated me was throwing fade routes to the 5'10 A.R.E. when you have 6'2 and 6'4 receivers on the field who are known for having strong hands and the ability to out-jump and out-muscle defenders for those kinds of passes. Get ARE and Thrash out of there!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot...

Ryan Plackemeier sucks! We probably would've been better off just keeping Derrick Brooks. My God...

Mursilis wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote: We've got more holes than a pack of swiss cheese and it all starts w/our aging oline.

That's the main problem, right there. The entire O-line has looked poor the second half of the season, and can neither pass nor run block worth a darn. Every position along the O-line should be an open competition come training camp next year.

If the ball goes down the field, the box isn't stacked. Then it's only 4 or 5 D rushing in as opposed to 6+. If no one has noticed yet, opposing defenses have blitzed us pretty frequently and we're NOT making them pay. Burn 'em and they'll back up. Our line will get better when there's 5 or less blitzing.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote: We've got more holes than a pack of swiss cheese and it all starts w/our aging oline.

That's the main problem, right there. The entire O-line has looked poor the second half of the season, and can neither pass nor run block worth a darn. Every position along the O-line should be an open competition come training camp next year.

If the ball goes down the field, the box isn't stacked. Then it's only 4 or 5 D rushing in as opposed to 6+. If no one has noticed yet, opposing defenses have blitzed us pretty frequently and we're NOT making them pay. Burn 'em and they'll back up. Our line will get better when there's 5 or less blitzing.

The issue is that Jason is not able to throw quick passes. That wretched slant to Moss is never where it needs to be. When the those passes aren't incomplete, they're getting batted down. The Skins try to make the pay, they can't execute it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote: We've got more holes than a pack of swiss cheese and it all starts w/our aging oline.

That's the main problem, right there. The entire O-line has looked poor the second half of the season, and can neither pass nor run block worth a darn. Every position along the O-line should be an open competition come training camp next year.

If the ball goes down the field, the box isn't stacked. Then it's only 4 or 5 D rushing in as opposed to 6+. If no one has noticed yet, opposing defenses have blitzed us pretty frequently and we're NOT making them pay. Burn 'em and they'll back up. Our line will get better when there's 5 or less blitzing.

The issue is that Jason is not able to throw quick passes. That wretched slant to Moss is never where it needs to be. When the those passes aren't incomplete, they're getting batted down. The Skins try to make the pay, they can't execute it.

I wasn't addressing JC's inability to hit the short passes. I was addressing that the line would be looking better if we backed the LB/safeties up with a vertical aspect of the offense that's not currently present.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I wasn't addressing JC's inability to hit the short passes. I was addressing that the line would be looking better if we backed the LB/safeties up with a vertical aspect of the offense that's not currently present.

Ok..... You said....

VetSkinsFan wrote:opposing defenses have blitzed us pretty frequently and we're NOT making them pay. Burn 'em and they'll back up. Our line will get better when there's 5 or less blitzing.

And I replied to that statement with....

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The issue is that Jason is not able to throw quick passes. That wretched slant to Moss is never where it needs to be. When the those passes aren't incomplete, they're getting batted down. The Skins try to make the pay, they can't execute it.

I'm just stating why they aren't able to do what you're suggesting. You're right that the line would look better if we were able to make them pay for blitzing. The reason we aren't able to make them play is because Jason is not able to quickly release passes. It's that simple. It's not a knock on Jason if it's really happening. He hardly ever connects on a quick slant to Moss and I don't know why we aren't doing that with a bigger WR anyway...

The other thing is when teams blitz, there's always someone coming free to the QB (which mysteriously never happens when WE blitz...and we blitz all the damn time). The play that Campbell got sacked by Lewis, both Lewis and Leonard blitzed...and Sellers missed the block...so BOTH were free. It was ridiculous.

PulpExposure wrote:The other thing is when teams blitz, there's always someone coming free to the QB (which mysteriously never happens when WE blitz...and we blitz all the damn time). The play that Campbell got sacked by Lewis, both Lewis and Leonard blitzed...and Sellers missed the block...so BOTH were free. It was ridiculous.

Dude, we never get a free lane to the QB.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:The other thing is when teams blitz, there's always someone coming free to the QB (which mysteriously never happens when WE blitz...and we blitz all the damn time). The play that Campbell got sacked by Lewis, both Lewis and Leonard blitzed...and Sellers missed the block...so BOTH were free. It was ridiculous.

Dude, we never get a free lane to the QB.

Seriously, NEVER. But it always happens to us...

PulpExposure wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:The other thing is when teams blitz, there's always someone coming free to the QB (which mysteriously never happens when WE blitz...and we blitz all the damn time). The play that Campbell got sacked by Lewis, both Lewis and Leonard blitzed...and Sellers missed the block...so BOTH were free. It was ridiculous.

Dude, we never get a free lane to the QB.

Seriously, NEVER. But it always happens to us...

Our DT's suck. Where you watching them get pushed around like children all game long? Every single one of them.

That play where Sellers froze in front of two rushers was downright silly.

I mean, the man is a veteran, he's played football in two countries! He's never seem two rushers before?

Pick one and give Campbell a chance to get away.

Skinsfan55 wrote:That play where Sellers froze in front of two rushers was downright silly.

I mean, the man is a veteran, he's played football in two countries! He's never seem two rushers before?

Pick one and give Campbell a chance to get away.

That play sticks out to me as well. Pretty rare occurance though.

TeeterSalad wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:That play where Sellers froze in front of two rushers was downright silly.

I mean, the man is a veteran, he's played football in two countries! He's never seem two rushers before?

Pick one and give Campbell a chance to get away.

That play sticks out to me as well. Pretty rare occurance though.

I guess you guys didn't notice Samuels didn't block anyone on that play.

When they showed the replay on tv, they showed it from the D's side of the ball. Before the snap, there was one guy in front of Kendell and the two rushers on the outside of Samuels. When the ball was snapped, Samuels chiped in a small block on Kendells man. Yes, they was a double team there for a second! Then Samuels turned straight ahead with his arms up ready to block someone, but by then nobody was there, and he was just standing there looking like he was striking a pose.

Thats how come Sellers had two to block. We had a double team on one guy while letting two rushers go free.

I don't know if Rabach didn't make the right adjustment or what, but Samuels really missed that one.

Let's face it... since the passing of Sean Taylor, nobody on this team, offense defense, or special teams scares anyone... no opposing coaching staff works late figuring out how to protect the passer, how to contain Jason Taylor or Rocky Macintosh... even though our DBs have played well, nobody's worried about throwing at Rogers, or getting laid out when they run a crossing pattern... Our receivers don't make anybody nervous,even bad secondaries, unless it's Moss against Dallas... Cambell's arm strength doesn't matter because he can't drop back more than 3 steps without having to dodge a defender... Portis, even when healthy, might be able to grind out yards when they have the lead, but he's not going to break the game open with a 60-yard touchdown... Randel El is more like ly to get an invite to Dancing with the Starts than return a punt 10 yards... Cartwright is a solid return guy, but not a threat to do anything special... They're really just a group of mediocre athletes trying their best, in a league dominated by playmakers... I know this is stating the obvious, but for years the front office has thrown money at bandaid fixes, and developed little, if any, young talent...

USAFSkinFan wrote:Cambell's arm strength doesn't matter because he can't drop back more than 3 steps without having to dodge a defender...

I think his deep ball his overrated.

I think Thomas may become a play maker for us.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

USAFSkinFan wrote:Cambell's arm strength doesn't matter because he can't drop back more than 3 steps without having to dodge a defender...

I think his deep ball his overrated

I agree, but not because he doesn't have "arm strength" but because he still throws lasers instead of lofting passes the WRs can run under and catch. It's very difficult to throw a laser that far because you have to throw them perfectly every time and they are still very difficult to catch and they are easy to defend because the ball's not high when they get to the receiver. If you loft it beyond the WR the WR can lead into the pass and unless it's underthown the WR can set the pace so the DB can't deflect it very easily. Exactly what happened in the fourth quarter when JC threw it through Moss's hands. Yes, it was POSSIBLE to catch but the DB was right there and with the speed of the ball it was a VERY difficult catch, and he didn't.