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RayNAustin wrote:And Campbell seems bewildered, and just seems to have accepted the status quo. It's not a pretty sight.

Whether Campbell is to blame or not, the one thing I do see is a guy with little to no fight in him. Where's the anger? Where's the disgust? Where is the competitiveness of a winner? It sure doesn't show in his face or in his play.

When in Rome, all discussions lead to Campbell.

We're 7-6. As Madden said last night we're good but not elite. We should focus on getting better in all facets of the game, which is a factor of effort and focus. Running around like your hair's on fire doesn't win games no matter how much you want to see that.

jeremyroyce wrote:It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

Wow, fire a coach with a winning record in his first season as a head coach? That's an excellent idea, if you're a Cowboy fan and want us to suck. What do you think of a loser coach who took a team that went 10-6 and then 6-10 the two previous years and started his first season as a head coach ZERO and FIVE! Wow, I'd can him in a second, wouldn't you Jeremy?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:IMO, the seasons over. Get all ruffled and pissy if you want, you should know by now that I could not care less how you all feel about my opinion.

Since I feel that the season is over, now would be a good time to get some game film on the capable young linemen we have...especially with the injuries from yesterday. Let's figure out where we're going to play Heyer and let's get that 3rd round guard in there. Maybe not for entire games but just for the 4th quarter.

Let's look ahead and now seems like a good time.

We're in bad shape for the playoffs. Really, really bad shape. However, we have 3 very winnable games left and if we take them all we're 10-6 and that is in fact NOT over. I'm with you once it IS over, but you can't write off the season and play for the future instead of to win when 10-6 is still very makeable.

I'd love to see Haynesworth, Gross and the first and second(darn you vinny) I mean, third draft picks go to larger than normal Olinemen. I'd also like to see the team get a new 2nd running back in the mold of Jacobs Mclain, I think that's going to be the future and it would be a shame not to get on board with giant grinding backs. As bad as the Oline is, Jacobs or Mclain would crush tacklers one on one in this offense. Maybe a 5th rounder to get a big guy with good feet. then he can run behind Sellers. I agree, they should definitely focus on next year with these three games and we should also phase out those who won't be around in 09. Springs, Washington, Jansen, and Suisham should have nothing to do with practice or anything. Plakemier( I don't even care if I got the name right) and swish should be competing for their jobs this week. I'd love to see Devin on kickoff returns and Hall on Punt returns too. things have to be figured out before the offseason

KazooSkinsFan wrote:We're in bad shape for the playoffs. Really, really bad shape. However, we have 3 very winnable games left and if we take them all we're 10-6 and that is in fact NOT over. I'm with you once it IS over, but you can't write off the season and play for the future instead of to win when 10-6 is still very makeable.

Well, enjoy your one last week of hope.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:We're in bad shape for the playoffs. Really, really bad shape. However, we have 3 very winnable games left and if we take them all we're 10-6 and that is in fact NOT over. I'm with you once it IS over, but you can't write off the season and play for the future instead of to win when 10-6 is still very makeable.

Well, enjoy your one last week of hope.

You made me laugh. I wish I could believe you're wrong and not just hope so.

Zorn's not going anywhere. Start a petition if you like, but it won't change anything.

The Redskins just aren't all on the same page. Certainly it starts with Campbell but it's not all his fault either.

Campbell makes a bad throw. When Campbell makes a good throw the recievers drop the ball. When both Campbell and the recievers finally do connect it's usually on a route that leaves them short of the third down marker.

Certainly Jim's playcalling is what you'd call predictable, but the fact is he just has too much on his plate. He's got a decent OC, he just doesn't rely on him, when really he probably should.

Zorn doesn't strike me as someone who's so arrogant that he won't figure that out. He just needs time to do so.

What's crazy is that Suggs was yelling at Zorn to warn him to help him. The guys on the radio were talking about it this morning.


I heard this afternoon that Suggs was at a Wizard Game and they showed him on the jumbotron and the fans booooooed him and he took it personal and said he was taking that to the game with him for fuel....LMAO

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jeremyroyce wrote:

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'll tell you what, Zorn is an idiot for not giving Justin any help when he came in for Samuels.

He's a freaking idiot for that. That is inexcusable.

EVERYONE had to be asking that. Certainly Madden did. Where's the help on Suggs on the FIRST play!?!? But it's a lot easier to think of everything on the sofa in the living room then being a first year coach losing both your tackles in the same game. Zorn will improve.

It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

So you want to fire Zorn, bring in a new coach with a new offensive scheme and wait for JC to adjust to that one also? Zorn has exceeded any expectation I had for this team. True they teased me going 6-2 but I think Zorn has the tools to get this job done. Give him time.

He has had plenty of time. You look at the games that we have had this year and the only game we lost that I think we just got out played was the first game of the year. Other then that we should have won our other games. Zorn has not made adjustments, we keep running the same bland offense. We have no killer extinct and we don't attack defenses. Look at the Rams game as an example. Its like were playing scared. When your defense gives up 14-17 points we gotta win. And also we have the firepower on offense we just aren't using players correctly.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

Wow, fire a coach with a winning record in his first season as a head coach? That's an excellent idea, if you're a Cowboy fan and want us to suck. What do you think of a loser coach who took a team that went 10-6 and then 6-10 the two previous years and started his first season as a head coach ZERO and FIVE! Wow, I'd can him in a second, wouldn't you Jeremy?

Well if Zorn keeps doing what he keeps doing he ain't gonna have a winning record. There has been no adjustments, and after last night he should be embarrassed. Last night was a joke and I'm tired of watching our offense sputter every week, and I don't want to hear the excuse well we played against a great defense. What about the Rams, the Lions. Our offense sputtered in those game.

jeremyroyce wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

Wow, fire a coach with a winning record in his first season as a head coach? That's an excellent idea, if you're a Cowboy fan and want us to suck. What do you think of a loser coach who took a team that went 10-6 and then 6-10 the two previous years and started his first season as a head coach ZERO and FIVE! Wow, I'd can him in a second, wouldn't you Jeremy?

Well if Zorn keeps doing what he keeps doing he ain't gonna have a winning record. There has been no adjustments, and after last night he should be embarrassed. Last night was a joke and I'm tired of watching our offense sputter every week, and I don't want to hear the excuse well we played against a great defense. What about the Rams, the Lions. Our offense sputtered in those game.

So, we fire him, then bring in whom? Who in the world would want the pressure of having to come into an organization that will fire you after your first season if you don't make the playoffs?

So, let's just say that we find that desperate nobody, and he only goes 4-12, then we fire him?

Lather/rinse/repeat.

And we just keep firing nobodies until by the luck of the draw somebody happens to get lucky enough to get a wildcard berth, and then we fire him next year because he didn't repeat it.

Would you call the Steelers a bad team? Certainly they've had their bad years, but they've only had three head coaches in 60 years.

They are benefitting from that consistency.

Bob 0119 wrote:Certainly Jim's playcalling is what you'd call predictable, but the fact is he just has too much on his plate. He's got a decent OC, he just doesn't rely on him, when really he probably should.

Some here have said the same thing regarding Zorn having too much on his plate. I respectfully disagree. There are about a dozen head coaches in the league that call the offensive plays, so this is not a unique situation.

Zorn has explained in the past that Sherman Smith, Buges, Stump Mitchell and the rest of the offensive coaches are all involved in the scheming and game planning, which includes choreographed sets of plays for different circumstances. In fact, as you see Zorn consulting with the other coaches on the sidelines, it's clear he relies on advice from others. Additionally, Sherman Smith is in the booth during games and Zorn remains in communication with him via the headset during games.

Just because Zorn calls the plays in no way indicates he has too much on his plate or doesn't delegate management. I actually believe having one guy serve as the OC and the QB coach is an advantage, and especially if he's a former NFL QB himself. And if that same guy is also the head coach, then there's a lesser chance for miscommunication and confusion.

Over the past few years, we've heard and seen the confusion with too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Even the players used to complain about that. This year, there is one chief and clearly one voice, and we've heard the players say they like it much better that way.

Bob 0119 wrote:Would you call the Steelers a bad team? Certainly they've had their bad years, but they've only had three head coaches in 60 years.

They are benefiting from that consistency.

Thank you, completely agree.

Yea lets fire Jim Zorn and hire a coach that can video tape the other teams defensive playcalls while wearing a oversized, cutoff sleeved hoody.

I think that he does have too much on his plate. If he had been an OC for a few years before taking this job then I'd say no. But he was a QB coach elevated to OC then HC without spending any time as an OC.

Someone on the radio today made an interesting observation about this by comparing Zorn to Harbaugh in B'more. He said that Harbaugh inherited an excellent DC and went out and got a seasoned OC in Cam Cameron to run the offense. And that's one of the reasons why they have been successful in his first year, especially the offense.

roybus14 wrote:I think that he does have too much on his plate. If he had been an OC for a few years before taking this job then I'd say no. But he was a QB coach elevated to OC then HC without spending any time as an OC.

Someone on the radio today made an interesting observation about this by comparing Zorn to Harbaugh in B'more. He said that Harbaugh inherited an excellent DC and went out and got a seasoned OC in Cam Cameron to run the offense. And that's one of the reasons why they have been successful in his first year, especially the offense.

I agree with that 100%.

6-2 at the midpoint of the season and how many of you said Zorn had too much on his plate? I'd like to see quotes.

We lose a few games and all of a sudden his plate is flowing over? Where? Offer something. How is it that Zorn has too much on his plate but other coaches in the same exact roll don't. Detail how his plate is too full and then back it up with direct quotes or evidence to support the alleged claim. Seriously, I'd be very interested.

We had 153 chiefs... I mean "coaches" last year and still lost as many games.

SkinsFreak wrote:6-2 at the midpoint of the season and how many of you said Zorn had too much on his plate? I'd like to see quotes.

We lose a few games and all of a sudden his plate is flowing over? Where? Offer something. How is it that Zorn has too much on his plate but other coaches in the same exact roll don't. Detail how his plate is too full and then back it up with direct quotes or evidence to support the alleged claim. Seriously, I'd be very interested.

We had 153 chiefs... I mean "coaches" last year and still lost as many games.

-- Camera shot of him last night asking what down was it?

-- This team's constant rushing to get plays off before the clock expires.

-- Not realizing that he is calling a passing play with a backup Center protecting JC's blindside with against one of the best pass rushers in the league (by the way, Suggs was screaming at him to change up because he was going to get Campbell killed with Geisinger protecting his blindside).

-- The terrible two minute offense that has been a problem all season.

-- The offensive play-calling after the first 15 plays or drive of the game.

Just to name a few....

roybus14 wrote:I think that he does have too much on his plate. If he had been an OC for a few years before taking this job then I'd say no. But he was a QB coach elevated to OC then HC without spending any time as an OC.

Someone on the radio today made an interesting observation about this by comparing Zorn to Harbaugh in B'more. He said that Harbaugh inherited an excellent DC and went out and got a seasoned OC in Cam Cameron to run the offense. And that's one of the reasons why they have been successful in his first year, especially the offense.

Well, he could also be successful because he inherited a team with a great, great defense, that wins despite the offense. We have a good defense, but not one good enough to win games on its own.

Remember, 2 seasons ago Baltimore was 13-3.

jeremyroyce wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

Wow, fire a coach with a winning record in his first season as a head coach? That's an excellent idea, if you're a Cowboy fan and want us to suck. What do you think of a loser coach who took a team that went 10-6 and then 6-10 the two previous years and started his first season as a head coach ZERO and FIVE! Wow, I'd can him in a second, wouldn't you Jeremy?

Well if Zorn keeps doing what he keeps doing he ain't gonna have a winning record. There has been no adjustments, and after last night he should be embarrassed. Last night was a joke and I'm tired of watching our offense sputter every week, and I don't want to hear the excuse well we played against a great defense. What about the Rams, the Lions. Our offense sputtered in those game.

No adjustments huh? After all the Ravens blitzes in the first half last night I remember some WR and RB screens that produced great yardage, too bad that was all that we could do. An adjustment was made to start throwing screen passes to the blitz side, that seemed to work well. It was too little too late, but adjustments were made.

Bob 0119 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

Wow, fire a coach with a winning record in his first season as a head coach? That's an excellent idea, if you're a Cowboy fan and want us to suck. What do you think of a loser coach who took a team that went 10-6 and then 6-10 the two previous years and started his first season as a head coach ZERO and FIVE! Wow, I'd can him in a second, wouldn't you Jeremy?

Well if Zorn keeps doing what he keeps doing he ain't gonna have a winning record. There has been no adjustments, and after last night he should be embarrassed. Last night was a joke and I'm tired of watching our offense sputter every week, and I don't want to hear the excuse well we played against a great defense. What about the Rams, the Lions. Our offense sputtered in those game.

So, we fire him, then bring in whom? Who in the world would want the pressure of having to come into an organization that will fire you after your first season if you don't make the playoffs?

So, let's just say that we find that desperate nobody, and he only goes 4-12, then we fire him?

Lather/rinse/repeat.

And we just keep firing nobodies until by the luck of the draw somebody happens to get lucky enough to get a wildcard berth, and then we fire him next year because he didn't repeat it.

Would you call the Steelers a bad team? Certainly they've had their bad years, but they've only had three head coaches in 60 years.

They are benefitting from that consistency.

Honestly I don't care who we bring in. I just want to see our offense be aggresive, attack the opposing team, and for crying out loud bring some variety to our offense. How many years now has our defense kept us in games and our offense goes 3 and out. You know what they call it when you do the same blasted thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result? insanity. And this is what Zorn is doing. There is no imagination to his playbook. You think the Falcons are afraid to throw the ball down the field? How about the Dolphins running the Wildcat offense and catching the Patriots with their pants down? That's what I'm talking about, keep the defense on their toes. You know I was one that was telling a die hard 49ers fan how I'm glad about Zorn being our head coach but the one thing I was frustrated about what that our offense was predictable. But, after last night I came to the conclusion that Zorn is not the answer. And guess what I got a message from the 49ers fan saying the same thing. And I will even go back to the days of Spurrier when we played the Bills and I said he isn't the answer and later he was fired. I have seen enough with Zorn and it's time to make a change.

And I will even go back to the days of Spurrier when we played the Bills and I said he isn't the answer and later he was fired. I have seen enough with Zorn and it's time to make a change.

It's amazing that no one else seems to recognize your brilliance... I just don't get it...

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TeeterSalad wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:It's not just this week, but ALL season. Our play calling sucks and that is Zorn. I agree Zorn has to go. All season long Zorn has done the same blasted thing and expecting to get a different result. The play calling is terrible and way to conservative and I'm tired of watching our defense come out week in and week out and be the only part of our team that does anything

Wow, fire a coach with a winning record in his first season as a head coach? That's an excellent idea, if you're a Cowboy fan and want us to suck. What do you think of a loser coach who took a team that went 10-6 and then 6-10 the two previous years and started his first season as a head coach ZERO and FIVE! Wow, I'd can him in a second, wouldn't you Jeremy?

Well if Zorn keeps doing what he keeps doing he ain't gonna have a winning record. There has been no adjustments, and after last night he should be embarrassed. Last night was a joke and I'm tired of watching our offense sputter every week, and I don't want to hear the excuse well we played against a great defense. What about the Rams, the Lions. Our offense sputtered in those game.

No adjustments huh? After all the Ravens blitzes in the first half last night I remember some WR and RB screens that produced great yardage, too bad that was all that we could do. An adjustment was made to start throwing screen passes to the blitz side, that seemed to work well. It was too little too late, but adjustments were made.

When you do make adjustments you can't wait until the end of the game by then it's too late. Let's take a look at couple of stats. Mike Sellers 2 rushes for 16 yards. How come we didn't use him more? Ladell Betts 3 catches for 57 yards. How come we didn't use him more out of the backfield? How come we aren't atleast taking chances down the field? Why aren't we doing any reverses with Randle El, or Thomas. How about a half back option or WR option. How about rolling Campbell out to the right or left and hitting ey. How maybe using a few plays from the Wild Cat offense. These are just a few plays but its more of an imagination then what Zorn has come up with all year long.

die cowboys die wrote:i've been a big zorn enthusiast but the decision to punt on that 4th and 2 with a minute left from the RAVENS' 40 was inexcusable to the point of being criminal. find someone with half a brain to coach this pathetic team for once.

also contributing to this is the fact that zorn hadn't had the balls to bench jansen, who is beyond pathetic at this point, and now that heyer finally finally comes back in when jansen gets hurt, SUDDENLY we start moving the ball. ridiculous. any casual fan could have made better decisions on these matters.

How about we fire you?

It's been a tough month, but firing Zorn would be a bad idea. Following the Raiders is not the path to victory.