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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:14 pm
by Mursilis
Irn-Bru wrote:
Mursilis wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:Do you think Reid and/or McNabb are out after this season, cleg?


That would be a bit extreme, at least at this point. Teams like Minny and the Texans would still fall all over themselves to get a QB like McNabb. Reid would also have no problem getting another job in this league.


Maybe I should attach a qualification to this: assuming Philly finishes 8-8 or worse, which looks like a real possibility.


I still think it would be a dumb move to dump either of those guys. It's just a brutal, brutal division, and one team HAS to sit out come the post-season. Maybe Reid's approaching burn-out and needs a rest, what with the pressure there in Philly to finally win it all, and Reid's own family situation, so I could see him go, but they'd really have to have huge confidence in Kolb to dumb McNabb. There's probably at least 10 teams in this league for whom starting McNabb would be an upgrade.

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:33 pm
by cleg
Mursilis wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
Mursilis wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:Do you think Reid and/or McNabb are out after this season, cleg?


That would be a bit extreme, at least at this point. Teams like Minny and the Texans would still fall all over themselves to get a QB like McNabb. Reid would also have no problem getting another job in this league.


Maybe I should attach a qualification to this: assuming Philly finishes 8-8 or worse, which looks like a real possibility.


I still think it would be a dumb move to dump either of those guys. It's just a brutal, brutal division, and one team HAS to sit out come the post-season. Maybe Reid's approaching burn-out and needs a rest, what with the pressure there in Philly to finally win it all, and Reid's own family situation, so I could see him go, but they'd really have to have huge confidence in Kolb to dumb McNabb. There's probably at least 10 teams in this league for whom starting McNabb would be an upgrade.
I agree with you but the Eagles will dump McNabb after this year because they want to prove how smart they were drafting Kolb.

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:00 pm
by Deadskins
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Sunday, October 5, 2008

Outplayed and Outhit
After the early trick plays and the punt return touchdown, the Eagles had nothing for the Washington Redskins, who dominated both lines of scrimmage in a 23-17 upset at the Linc.

Andy Reid added one little thing to his usual postgame refusal to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion of what went wrong: In the midst of repeating his mantra about needing to put players in better positions to make plays, Reid added: "and when (the players) are in those positions, we have to make sure that plays get made."

After starting out 1 for 4 on third down conversions, the Redskins converted 11 of their final 15. They took apart what had been the league's top rushing defense, running for 203 yards (to the Eagles' 58 ). They ended up with 75 offensive snaps, to the Birds' 47, 22 first downs to the Eagles' 14.

The Eagles' offense lost its ryhthm on the first drive of the second quarter and never really got it back. The Birds didn't throw the ball downfield and didn't run much -- instead, they found ways to screw ups screens and other short-yardage passes. Their defense got good pressure early, then was blasted back on its heels by the Redskins' offensive line.

The season isn't over at 2-3, but most fans' patience with ongoing confusion and inconsistency might be.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... uthit.html

We did to them what we should have done to the G-strings in game 3, last year. We have effectively ended their season before it's a third of the way through. The Pilly fans will pick this team apart. I love this. :D

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:20 pm
by cleg
JSPB22 wrote:
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Sunday, October 5, 2008

Outplayed and Outhit
After the early trick plays and the punt return touchdown, the Eagles had nothing for the Washington Redskins, who dominated both lines of scrimmage in a 23-17 upset at the Linc.

Andy Reid added one little thing to his usual postgame refusal to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion of what went wrong: In the midst of repeating his mantra about needing to put players in better positions to make plays, Reid added: "and when (the players) are in those positions, we have to make sure that plays get made."

After starting out 1 for 4 on third down conversions, the Redskins converted 11 of their final 15. They took apart what had been the league's top rushing defense, running for 203 yards (to the Eagles' 58 ). They ended up with 75 offensive snaps, to the Birds' 47, 22 first downs to the Eagles' 14.

The Eagles' offense lost its ryhthm on the first drive of the second quarter and never really got it back. The Birds didn't throw the ball downfield and didn't run much -- instead, they found ways to screw ups screens and other short-yardage passes. Their defense got good pressure early, then was blasted back on its heels by the Redskins' offensive line.

The season isn't over at 2-3, but most fans' patience with ongoing confusion and inconsistency might be.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... uthit.html

We did to them what we should have done to the G-strings in game 3, last year. We have effectively ended their season before it's a third of the way through. The Pilly fans will pick this team apart. I love this. :D
They've started to already. I cannot remember when they were so virile towards the team. It is a wonderful day to live in Philly.

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:36 pm
by Redskin in Canada
JSPB22 wrote:We have effectively ended their season before it's a third of the way through. The Pilly fans will pick this team apart. I love this. :D
I disagree with the first sentence. Philthy -WILL- be back in contention. Remember, we have only crossed 1/3 of the season. You should know better about the resiliency of Reid's team.

I agree with the second and third sentences. Philthy fans are the best enemy our worst enemy could have. :twisted:

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:35 pm
by Deadskins
Redskin in Canada wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:We have effectively ended their season before it's a third of the way through. The Pilly fans will pick this team apart. I love this. :D
I disagree with the first sentence. Philthy -WILL- be back in contention. Remember, we have only crossed 1/3 of the season. You should know better about the resiliency of Reid's team.


In response I am posting yet another article from the Philadephis Daily News:

John Smallwood: Season is getting late already for Eagles
By John Smallwood
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist



IT STARTED OUT well for the Eagles - sort of like Jimmy Rollins hitting a leadoff home run for the Phillies.
But while the Fightins carried their momentum to a spot in the National League Championship Series, the Birds fizzled out like a can of soda left open for 2 days.

The Eagles went from a 14-0 lead to a 23-17 loss to the Washington Redskins yesterday, and into a deep hole just five games into the season.

The only positive for the Eagles is that the city is probably so wrapped up in the elation of the Phillies being one step from the World Series that it might not realize what kind of jeopardy the Eagles have put themselves in.

Officially, they are teetering on the edge.

The Birds didn't just drop to 2-3 overall - they also are 0-2 in the division and 1-3 in the conference.

It's not just that the Eagles have only made the playoffs once under Andy Reid when having a losing record after five games. It's that the Redskins and Dallas Cowboys are 4-1 while the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants (4-0) are the only undefeated team in the NFC.

The Eagles are last in the NFC East and look like they legitimately belong there.

They were the only NFC East team to miss the playoffs last season, and they are well on their way to a repeat performance.

It's amazing how 2 weeks can change so many things. After beating Pittsburgh, the Eagles looked like they might be special.

Today, they look average, like a team with few answers to the questions raised after consecutive losses.

For a coach who likes to tell us, "It's my responsibility that we play better," Reid doesn't seem to know how to live up to that.

If Reid really had answers, wouldn't he have delivered them before his team fell two games behind all three division rivals?

Doesn't it stand to reason that if Reid really could "get our guys in better positions to make plays," this would not have been the fourth straight game that his offense checked out with at least 30 minutes to play in a game?

If a coach actually knew how to "make sure that [plays] get made," would his team really have failed to gain less than the yard it need at the goal line in the fourth quarter for the second straight week?

"I'm not going to get into all that," Reid said when asked how Brian Westbrook lost 3 yards on a third-and-1 from the Redskins' 2 that forced the Eagles to settle for a 23-yard field goal from David Akers.

Hey, I wouldn't want to get into all that, either.

And speaking of Akers, if a coach has dismissed concerns that his kicker is providing ample evidence that he might no longer be effective from beyond 40 yards, should he again be explaining why he sent him out there to miss another 50-yard attempt?

"He is going to make a lot more of those than he is going to miss," Reid said of Akers, who has now missed 11 of his last 14 kicks from beyond 40 yards. "Down the stretch here, he'll be fine."

Oh, really?

Needing the ball back against Chicago a week ago, the Eagles let Bears rookie Matt Forte run for 10 yards on a third-and-4 play with 2 1/2 minutes left in the game. The Bears then ran all but the final 17 seconds off the clock.

After gashing the Eagles for more than 200 rushing yards, Redskins coach Jim Zorn was so confident that his troops had worn down the defense that he called for a pass play on a third-and-1 from the Eagles' 38 with just under 3 minutes left.

When the pass fell incomplete, Zorn sent running back Clinton Portis up the middle for 3 yards on fourth down.

The run succeeded out of the shotgun formation.

Technically, it's still early in the season. But it's starting to get late for the Eagles.

Their next three games against San Francisco, Atlanta and Seattle seem winnable, but the Giants, Redskins and Cowboys also have manageable schedules during the same period.

There is a strong chance that even if the Eagles get things turned around, they could still be at least two games behind everyone in the division at the midway point.

"We're going to get it straight," Reid said. "We wanted to do it this week. It didn't work out, so now we have to go back to the drawing board and get it done next week."

Maybe Reid needs some better chalk. *

Send e-mail to

smallwj@phillynews.com.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eag ... agles.html

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:44 pm
by BossHog
Personally I think its ridiculous to ever write ANY team off 5 games into a 16-game season. I mean seriously, while it isn't likely to happen - if the Eagles won every one of their remaining games, they'd finish at 13-3 - does anyone REALLY think that a 13-3 team wouldn't make the playoffs?

That seems completely non-sensical to me.

I get that internet journalism and a complete over saturation of sports news in general has given people a ridiculously narrow view of anything that is more than a week away - but does that make it accurate?

I know that I'll be just as nervous before the next Eagles game as I was before the last one - regardless of the teams' respective records.

Some writer from Philly thinking that the sky is falling isn't anymore credible than a Redskins writer saying we were 'doomed' after one game IMO.

They play the games for a reason.

... now, that isn't to say that the constant negative pressure put on a team by their local media isn't noteworthy - absolutely it is, and I think it can even affect a team. But by no means is it some foregone conclusion.

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:53 pm
by Deadskins
Certainly it's possible for them to come back. I just think we did more than one game's worth of damage to them. That win hurt their team to its core.

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:01 pm
by SkinsFreak
One of my very best friends is a huge Eagles fan. We've known each other since grade school and speak several times a week. He hasn't turned on his cell phone since halftime of the game Sunday. Gotta love it, I know he's listening to the Philly news, he always does. :lol:

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:31 pm
by SKINFAN
how can anyone write any team off in the first 5 games, specially a team in the NFC east.... Wow. We thought the same thing about our team after the first game, that we won't amount to nothing, blah blah blah.... Live in the present, enjoy how good we have it now, has it been so long that we forgot how to enjoy a 4-1 start. The points made about NFC east sending 3 is true, very true. But the iggles will bounce back, win a few games in be right back into the mix. In this division, it's actually the Gmen that's the worry IMO. Yah they are riding pretty high right now but they haven't had a downer yet. We had one on the first game, we recovered nicely. We gave Dallas one, And philty is still trying to recover. If the Gmen come down, who knows... Their thin at DE and it's only a matter of time till someone figures them out and exposes them. It's nice for us to hold wins against Pukes and Iggles for now, enjoy and se how it plays out.

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:15 pm
by rick301
DOWN

BRIAN WESTBROOK

He returned from an ankle injury, but he was the second best running back on the field and suffered a rib contusion.


Rib contusion? ... Westbrook now has two cracked ribs!

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:37 pm
by Redskin in Canada
rick301 wrote:
DOWN

BRIAN WESTBROOK

He returned from an ankle injury, but he was the second best running back on the field and suffered a rib contusion.


Rib contusion? ... Westbrook now has two cracked ribs!

He is in pain:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/08/ailing- ... or-eagles/

But I Hognosticate that he plays in pain like the man he is as much as he can and helps win the next game in San Fco on Sunday.

Nobody should write off an NFC East Team at this point in the season. Tons of football still to play. Please keep our victories in perspective. Our team and his head coach are. :wink:

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:59 pm
by SkinsJock
I must admit that I felt the team indicated that they are prepared to do everything they can to stay focused on what they need to do by opting not to take the "victory" day off this week - these guys are really into doing whatever it takes and seem to be very willing to put themselves in position to be successful each week.

It's funny but after the first game and during the next couple of weeks there were snippets by the media - like how Portis "reportedly" wanted to play for a different offense and such - we don't hear this much anymore and I'm sure that is just driving JLC and his cohorts crazy :lol:

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:31 pm
by markshark84
JSPB22 wrote:
Image
Sunday, October 5, 2008

Outplayed and Outhit
After the early trick plays and the punt return touchdown, the Eagles had nothing for the Washington Redskins, who dominated both lines of scrimmage in a 23-17 upset at the Linc.

Andy Reid added one little thing to his usual postgame refusal to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion of what went wrong: In the midst of repeating his mantra about needing to put players in better positions to make plays, Reid added: "and when (the players) are in those positions, we have to make sure that plays get made."

After starting out 1 for 4 on third down conversions, the Redskins converted 11 of their final 15. They took apart what had been the league's top rushing defense, running for 203 yards (to the Eagles' 58 ). They ended up with 75 offensive snaps, to the Birds' 47, 22 first downs to the Eagles' 14.

The Eagles' offense lost its ryhthm on the first drive of the second quarter and never really got it back. The Birds didn't throw the ball downfield and didn't run much -- instead, they found ways to screw ups screens and other short-yardage passes. Their defense got good pressure early, then was blasted back on its heels by the Redskins' offensive line.

The season isn't over at 2-3, but most fans' patience with ongoing confusion and inconsistency might be.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... uthit.html


I love how the 3-1 Redskins "upset" the 2-2 Eagles.

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:33 pm
by Deadskins
markshark84 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
Image
Sunday, October 5, 2008

Outplayed and Outhit
After the early trick plays and the punt return touchdown, the Eagles had nothing for the Washington Redskins, who dominated both lines of scrimmage in a 23-17 upset at the Linc.

Andy Reid added one little thing to his usual postgame refusal to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion of what went wrong: In the midst of repeating his mantra about needing to put players in better positions to make plays, Reid added: "and when (the players) are in those positions, we have to make sure that plays get made."

After starting out 1 for 4 on third down conversions, the Redskins converted 11 of their final 15. They took apart what had been the league's top rushing defense, running for 203 yards (to the Eagles' 58 ). They ended up with 75 offensive snaps, to the Birds' 47, 22 first downs to the Eagles' 14.

The Eagles' offense lost its ryhthm on the first drive of the second quarter and never really got it back. The Birds didn't throw the ball downfield and didn't run much -- instead, they found ways to screw ups screens and other short-yardage passes. Their defense got good pressure early, then was blasted back on its heels by the Redskins' offensive line.

The season isn't over at 2-3, but most fans' patience with ongoing confusion and inconsistency might be.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... uthit.html


I love how the 3-1 Redskins "upset" the 2-2 Eagles.

It was more upsetting to some, than it was to others. :lol:

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:35 am
by BadgerKing
At last it must be time for the next edition of the loser papers!

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:47 am
by Deadskins
BadgerKing wrote:At last it must be time for the next edition of the loser papers!


Right you are BadgerKing, so let's get right to it. From the pages of The Cleveland Plain Dealer comes this article:

Dire straits in D.C.: Browns can't recover from offensive sleepwalk in 14-11 loss to Redskins
by Tony Grossi

Sunday October 19, 2008, 9:58 PM

ImageTracy Boulian/The Plain Dealer
Derek Anderson and Lawrence Vickers had a disagreement on the field that led to a timeout.


LANDOVER, Md. -- Had you fooled, didn't they?
Thought the Browns would ride the momentum of their big offensive night against the New York Giants and make something out of their season?

Gotcha.

The offense suffered a relapse in FedEx Field on Sunday with dropped passes, poor throws, broken routes, missed opportunities and clock mismanagement. That is why the Browns' season is back in intensive care, the team's heartbeat barely audible.

The Browns essentially fell four games behind the division-leading Pittsburgh Steelers by losing lamely to the Washington Redskins, 14-11.

A 54-yard game-tying field goal by Phil Dawson with 25 seconds left fell outside the right goalpost by about six feet, securing the Browns' fourth loss in six games. The Steelers are 5-1 and own the tie-breaker over the Browns.

That the Browns had a chance to tie was a credit to the defense, which had another outstanding effort. It forced the game's only turnover with 5:36 left when cornerback Eric Wright chased a rampaging Clinton Portis from behind and safety Brodney Pool recovered. After the Browns finally scored a touchdown on a Josh Cribbs' 1-yard catch and added a two-point conversion on a Braylon Edwards grab, the defense then forced a punt at the two-minute warning.

Portis had a big game, rushing 27 times for 175 yards and one touchdown, but the Browns stopped him when they had to.

The offense then wrapped up the game's goat horns. Taking over at the Browns' 29 with 1:51 left, quarterback Derek Anderson could move the team only 35 yards in seven plays.

Their timeouts were expended on the defensive series before. But the offense wasted at least 24 seconds after Anderson ran a sneak for a first down at the Redskins' 36.

An immediate spike to stop the clock was the thing to do. But Anderson sprang to his feet and sprinted to the sideline for a play because his radio helmet malfunctioned, as usual. Rip Scherer, quarterbacks coach, voiced a play to Anderson. Anderson's pass for Kellen Winslow was tipped at the line of scrimmage.

On the next play, the Redskins ran one of their rare blitzes. Anderson read it, but Edwards did not. Anderson's throw fell harmlessly as Edwards never turned for the ball. Edwards turned a similar play against the Giants into a 49-yard gain.

"That was my fault," Edwards said, who also dropped four passes in the game. "I've got to pick it up."

Then on third-and-10, Anderson threw short and low for Edwards 20 yards downfield. Picking up a few more yards for Dawson's game-tying attempt seemed the prudent thing to do at that point.

"I think we were trying to do that," coach Romeo Crennel said. "The one to Braylon was a little low. We had another one that was open [to Winslow] and they tipped the ball. We didn't make the play. They made the play."

Like in Cincinnati three weeks ago, the offense was abysmal until the fourth quarter, totaling 121 total yards and seven first downs while trailing, 7-3. The Redskins added a touchdown 2 1/2 minutes into the fourth quarter when Santana Moss beat Terry Cousin crossing the field and turned it up to the end zone for a 14-3 lead.

A 43-yard kickoff return by Gerard Lawson woke up the Browns. On the ninth play, Jamal Lewis took an Anderson dump pass all the way to the Redskins' 1. Rookie safety Chris Horton, who was a bear the whole game, saved the touchdown.

The Browns had a first down at the 1 -- and couldn't score.

Cleveland native London Fletcher stopped Lewis for no gain. On second down, Anderson threw a screen to backup fullback Charles Ali. It was the first time in two seasons Ali touched the ball from scrimmage. Fletcher tackled him for a 2-yard loss. On third down, Anderson threw incomplete for Jason Wright. On fourth down from the 3, Anderson's pass for Edwards was batted down by defensive end Demetric Evans.

"Braylon was wide open in the back of the end zone," Anderson said. "They're pretty stout down there.

Wright's tomahawk chop forced Portis' fumble on first down to set up the dramatics at the end.

"I had no doubt we would score a touchdown on our last drive. It just didn't happen," Anderson said.

The Browns were at a loss to explain how they lost the offensive timing that made them look invincible against the Giants.

"I'm trying to figure that out myself," Crennel said. "If I do that, I think I'd be a better coach and we'd be consistent all the time." The Browns totaled 59 yards and four first downs in a scoreless first half, failing to gain even one first down on back-to-back possessions that began in Washington territory.

"Ever get writer's block?" Anderson said when asked about the inconsistency. "Can't explain it. We're out there fighting our tails off, trying to do everything we can to get on track. It takes all 11 guys to make a play work."

Two guys expected to make plays -- Winslow and Edwards -- did not.

Winslow played a lot despite missing two weeks of practice with an illness which after the game he revealed was a staph infection. He did not make his first catch until the fifth ball thrown to him with 4:40 left in the game. He caught two passes out of eight thrown him. Winslow also was penalized once for offensive pass interference.

"It wasn't like he was running wrong routes," Anderson said. "We just didn't connect. They beat him up pretty good. At the end of the game, guys were just holding on to his shoulder pads, pretty much."

Edwards had four catches for 58 yards and four drops.

"I dropped a lot of passes and didn't help my team today," he said. "By the time I made a play, it was too late."

Edwards also said the Browns "were a little lax" after the Giants win on Monday night.

Who'd have expected that, huh?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _cant.html

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:52 am
by Deadskins
Portis had a big game, rushing 27 times for 175 yards and one touchdown, but the Browns stopped him when they had to.

Really, I thought he scored the game's first TD, and was prominently featured during our other scoring drive?

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:41 am
by Irn-Bru
JSPB22 wrote:
Portis had a big game, rushing 27 times for 175 yards and one touchdown, but the Browns stopped him when they had to.

Really, I thought he scored the game's first TD, and was prominently featured during our other scoring drive?


:lol:

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:03 pm
by Countertrey
JSPB22 wrote:
Portis had a big game, rushing 27 times for 175 yards and one touchdown, but the Browns stopped him when they had to.

Really, I thought he scored the game's first TD, and was prominently featured during our other scoring drive?


Well, you know... other than the times when the Redskins scored... and when Portis wasn't carrying the ball... yeah, pretty much... :wink:

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:01 pm
by VetSkinsFan
JSPB22 wrote:
Portis had a big game, rushing 27 times for 175 yards and one touchdown, but the Browns stopped him when they had to.

Really, I thought he scored the game's first TD, and was prominently featured during our other scoring drive?


I guess the insinuation was that with 175 yards, one would think that he scored more than 1 TD

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:54 pm
by jmooney
If a back puts up 175 yards on your D, the general consensus formed by anyone with with the slightest football knowledge. YOU DIDNT STOP HIM AT ALL!!! I guess that last drive in the 4th was the "had to" part

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:20 pm
by Fios
Having lived in Cleveland, I can say with some authority that Grossi is an idiot, he was one of the NFL HoF voters who was strongly in the anti-Monk camp. He's Cleveland's version of jlc.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:39 pm
by SkinsJock
I cannot believe the Cleveland press is not all over Crennel for not kicking the field goal and then stopping us and getting the ball back so they could then just waltz back down to score the TD :shock:

This team was unbelievably lucky to get that ball away from Portis and then to still take all that time to score .... just unbelievable that they almost pulled it out BUT Crennel should not be allowed to say "well look at what happened ..." that was just BS









But it did make our D look really great :wink:

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:31 pm
by BigRedskinDaddy
Portis had a big game, rushing 27 times for 175 yards and one touchdown, but the Browns stopped him when HE TOOK HIMSELF OUT OF THE GAME.


I know you didn't say it, JSP. Just thought I would fix that for ya. :)