McCain Picks Palin For VP - Running Mate

[Deadskins]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

Not sure I agree with this for one reason, Hillary supporters. Hillary and Obama agreed on all the issues, the question was if liberals wanted a black or woman president. McCain was targeting the ones who wanted a "woman." He doesn't need to snare many of them. It may work, it may not, but I don't see how it hurts him. There are a bunch of libbies who won't vote for him because of Palin, the same ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

Agreed...If Condie Rice wasn't so tainted by Bush she'd be a nice pick for the GOP

I had some early interest in her. She did a great job representing this country at State, way better then I thought any Bush appointee could do. But she never gave any reason beyond that to have any idea of what she believes on anything. Maybe appropriate for State but not for a candidate.

Also, she was asked if she supported McCain or Obama and said she wasn't revealing that. I considered that a bizarre response for a senior Republican to not know if they are supporting their party candidate or a Marxist, terrorist appeasing Democrat. Even McCain when undercutting Bush in 2004 came out and said he was for Bush. I'm not a politico, but there was no reason for her to be cagey in that choice. State is not a non-partisan office.

Maybe she's supporting Bush's third term, which the public doesn't know about yet.

[DEHog]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

...and is on the right side of it!

Obama? On the right of the law? Let's start with nationalizing health care and energy and the 10th Amendment. He wants to focus on an undeclared war in Afghanistan. Then there's the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th Amendments. How about using the tax code as a means to punish companies he doesn't like and stating he agrees with using it as a tool to redistribute wealth. Oops. Check and mate. And we could have gone on so long with this. Republicans are horrible too. But Obama's on the "right side of it?" NOT.

I think that was more of a dig at Clinton and Bush, than an affirmation of Obama.

Really only Obama

[Deadskins]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

...and is on the right side of it!

Obama? On the right of the law? Let's start with nationalizing health care and energy and the 10th Amendment. He wants to focus on an undeclared war in Afghanistan. Then there's the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th Amendments. How about using the tax code as a means to punish companies he doesn't like and stating he agrees with using it as a tool to redistribute wealth. Oops. Check and mate. And we could have gone on so long with this. Republicans are horrible too. But Obama's on the "right side of it?" NOT.

I think that was more of a dig at Clinton and Bush, than an affirmation of Obama.

Really only Obama

My bad, then.

[GSPODS]

OK. What in the hell is "TrooperGate?"

Palin

[Deadskins]

She tried to have her brother-in-law, the state trooper, fired when he and her sister were in the middle of a custody battle, divorce settlement. But there was nothing on him, so he kept his job, and she fired the guy who would not fire the trooper.

On a funny side note, Tucker Eskew, mentioned as "a senior McCain adviser," was a fraternity brother of mine in college. He was also involved in Bush's campaigns. I have another frat brother who is a strategist for the Democrats. Funny how things work out.

[JeanPassepartout1974]

Well Palin seems like she always has defined and beaten the odds.
Plus, we need to have a female VP or President one day for that matter.

[KazooSkinsFan]

She tried to have her brother-in-law, the state trooper, fired when he and her sister were in the middle of a custody battle, divorce settlement. But there was nothing on him, so he kept his job, and she fired the guy who would not fire the trooper.

Um..did you read this? "Nothing on him!?!?!" He uses a tazer on his stepson? He was "reprimated for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmentil policies since December 2001?" That is NOTHING on him?

The man in the middle is Monegan, who says Palin never told him to fire the trooper, but he felt pressure to do so from members of her administration.

Then there's trooper Mike Wooten, who used a Taser on his stepson, Palin's nephew Payton. Wooten has been reprimanded for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmental policies since December 2001.

"Reprimanded" nearly a DOZEN times!?! Can you imagine how many that means he actually did? Sounds like there was good reason to can the bastard. Sounds like he belonged behind bars. And the guy he says himself she didn't say to him to fire the out of control nut job. I'm not saying she's innocent, just that your statement of the accusation of it as fact and baseless other then the divorce is pretty dubious.

Thank God we have that non-liberal media to strive for TRUTH! It's not like they're making more of Palin's DAUGHTER then John Edward's repeated cheating on his wife who was fighting cancer or Bill Clinton getting blown by a college intern with his wife in the next room! No wait, they are. Well, they certainly are making Palin's 17 year old daughter off limits as they declared Chelsea to be into her 20s! No wait they're not. Funny the Bush girls didn't get the "Chelsea rule" either. Well they're certainly harping on Obama's inexperience like they are on Palin's! No wait, they're not. Yes, a fine, upstanding fair media we have in this country, I'm sure Palin's very grateful for that.

[Deadskins]

It's not like they're making more of Palin's DAUGHTER then John Edward's repeated cheating on his wife who was fighting cancer or Bill Clinton getting blown by a college intern with his wife in the next room! No wait, they are. Well, they certainly are making Palin's 17 year old daughter off limits as they declared Chelsea to be into her 20s! No wait they're not. Funny the Bush girls didn't get the "Chelsea rule" either. Well they're certainly harping on Obama's inexperience like they are on Palin's! No wait, they're not. Yes, a fine, upstanding fair media we have in this country, I'm sure Palin's very grateful for that.

I'm sorry, you're saying the media is making more out of some issue with Palin's daughter than they did out of Monica Lewinski, or even John Edwards, who's not running for anything this time around? And Chelsea was off limits? Conservative infotainers ripped her to shreds from day one.

Do you even hear yourself? And the thing about the trooper is under investigation by the Republican controlled legislature of Alaska. The guy didn't get fired despite his superior being pressured to do so by the Governor. He says she didn't ask him to do it, but he says he still felt pressured. And, when he didn't fire the trooper, he was canned himself. Seems as if he was right to feel pressured.

If the tazer accusation is true, yes he deserves to be fired, but being that this all centers around a divorce case makes any such accusations suspect on their face. I'm willing to wait for the results, but you can't expect people to ignore the fact that the VP candidate for the Republican party is under investigation for abuse of power. I guess you can.

[GSPODS]

"This nonsense is over." - McCain Camp
in reference to the questions about Sarah Palin.
Questions about Palin were dismissed as a "faux media scandal."

McCain

Nonsense? Media scandal? I was almost sure people had a right to ask questions about the candidates on each party's ticket.

[KazooSkinsFan]

What you said:

She tried to have her brother-in-law, the state trooper, fired when he and her sister were in the middle of a custody battle, divorce settlement. But there was nothing on him, so he kept his job, and she fired the guy who would not fire the trooper

What I said:

I'm not saying she's innocent, just that your statement of the accusation of it as fact and baseless other then the divorce is pretty dubious.

Your response:

I'm willing to wait for the results

you can't expect people to ignore the fact that the VP candidate for the Republican party is under investigation for abuse of power. I guess you can.

Sorry, where do I say anything about this? I addressed that you assumed her guilt. I never said ANYTHING about your saying she was under investigation.

[Deadskins]

I was giving a synopsis of the article GSPODS posted. But you did assume the trooper's guilt, did you not? How is that so different?

Don't bother answering, I'm dropping out of this discussion anyway. I've decided not to argue politics here on THN anymore. It's too discouraging seeing people blindly following, without questioning authority. That's not a dig at you specifically, Kazoo. Anyway, the season starts tomorrow, so . I'm out.

[DEHog]

I was giving a synopsis of the article GSPODS posted. But you did assume the trooper's guilt, did you not? How is that so different?

Don't bother answering, I'm dropping out of this discussion anyway. I've decided not to argue politics here on THN anymore. It's too discouraging seeing people blindly following, without questioning authority. That's not a dig at you specifically, Kazoo. Anyway, the season starts tomorrow, so . I'm out.

JSP...hold the door for me!

[KazooSkinsFan]

I was giving a synopsis of the article GSPODS posted. But you did assume the trooper's guilt, did you not? How is that so different?

The difference is the article didn't say he'd broken the law or regulations almost a dozen times, it said he was REPRIMANDED almost a dozen times. That is a statement of fact unless it was just fabricated, not an accusation under investigation but almost a dozen conclusion of investigation.

See the difference? Reprimand, an official document in his file. Palin fired whosawhatsis, an accusation under investigation.

[JansenFan]

If she and McCain are elected, Tina Fey totally has to go back to SNL.

[langleyparkjoe]

Definitely better looking than Hillary, by far.. or Laura B., or any before them for that matter. LOL

[GSPODS]

If she and McCain are elected, Tina Fey totally has to go back to SNL.

I'd rather do Tina Fey ... err ... vote for Tina Fey, that is.
But I can't punch her ticket ... err ... she's not on the ticket.

I should probably stop now.

[Deadskins]

I was giving a synopsis of the article GSPODS posted. But you did assume the trooper's guilt, did you not? How is that so different?

The difference is the article didn't say he'd broken the law or regulations almost a dozen times, it said he was REPRIMANDED almost a dozen times. That is a statement of fact unless it was just fabricated, not an accusation under investigation but almost a dozen conclusion of investigation.

See the difference? Reprimand, an official document in his file. Palin fired whosawhatsis, an accusation under investigation.

And, had you referenced the reprimands in your original post, I would accept that. You didn't. I only pointed out that he was not fired, even though the Public Safety Commissioner felt pressured to do so. If there had been cause to fire him, why not do so? Also, the reprimands were, as you said, "the conclusion of investigations." So those matters were addressed and resolved. You can't go back and then say, no, that's not enough, I'm going to fire you now because of offenses for which you've already been punished. Again, I'm not defending the trooper, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your knee-jerk response to my post. Now, can we please just drop it?

[KazooSkinsFan]

And, had you referenced the reprimands in your original post, I would accept that. You didn't. ... Now, can we please just drop it?

Not if you're going to say things that are factually inaccurate. My original post:

She tried to have her brother-in-law, the state trooper, fired when he and her sister were in the middle of a custody battle, divorce settlement. But there was nothing on him, so he kept his job, and she fired the guy who would not fire the trooper.

Um..did you read this? "Nothing on him!?!?!" He uses a tazer on his stepson? He was "reprimanded for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmental policies since December 2001?" That is NOTHING on him?

The man in the middle is Monegan, who says Palin never told him to fire the trooper, but he felt pressure to do so from members of her administration.

Then there's trooper Mike Wooten, who used a Taser on his stepson, Palin's nephew Payton. Wooten has been reprimanded for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmental policies since December 2001.

"Reprimanded" nearly a DOZEN times!?! Can you imagine how many that means he actually did? Sounds like there was good reason to can the bastard. Sounds like he belonged behind bars. And the guy he says himself she didn't say to him to fire the out of control nut job. I'm not saying she's innocent, just that your statement of the accusation of it as fact and baseless other then the divorce is pretty dubious.

Thank God we have that non-liberal media to strive for TRUTH! It's not like they're making more of Palin's DAUGHTER then John Edward's repeated cheating on his wife who was fighting cancer or Bill Clinton getting blown by a college intern with his wife in the next room! No wait, they are. Well, they certainly are making Palin's 17 year old daughter off limits as they declared Chelsea to be into her 20s! No wait they're not. Funny the Bush girls didn't get the "Chelsea rule" either. Well they're certainly harping on Obama's inexperience like they are on Palin's! No wait, they're not. Yes, a fine, upstanding fair media we have in this country, I'm sure Palin's very grateful for that.

Dude, it's the FIRST THING I brought up! It appears THREE TIMES in my original post.

[Deadskins]

You're right. I take back the reprimand business. Can I go now?

[KazooSkinsFan]

You're right. I take it back.

Done, it's dropped.

[Deadskins]

Third party cabdidate giving McCain a run for his money
Portrayal Of Obama As Elitist Hailed As Step Forward For African Americans

[crazyhorse1]

She's not that bad looking either....well....looks better than Hillary either way

I hope you're an old guy, Cappster. Both she and McCain support the draft and want to stay in a number of middle eastern countries simultaneously and maybe start a fight with Russia.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Both she and McCain support the draft

See, the Left can't win on truth because truth isn't on their side. Prove this lie. Dude, I don't know a single Conservative who thinks the draft is necessary or supports it. The ONLY party talking about a draft is the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S and that's becuase the Left is still stuck in 1967. When they do venture into 2008 it's only to cheer the death of every American soldier. From the NY Times, to CBS News, to DNC headquarters.

A land mind, how many did they get, all dead?!?! Horray!!! Your ideology is sick.