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cleg wrote:Not the end of the world. Taylor is an upgrade over Daniels anyway.
GSPODS wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:yupchagee wrote:GSPODS wrote:yupchagee wrote:A 2nd rnd pick is a lot to give up for a 34 yr old, on the otherhand, he is a premier player. I think his statements about retiring were based a lot on his feelings from last yr. He couldn't possibly have enjoyed playing for a team the was 1-15. His 11 sack are even more impressive considering Miami's oppponents were probably in "must pass" situations less than against any other team.
His 11 sacks also didn't come with Andre Carter or anyone close to Andre Carter on the other side.
I'd say this will make both defensive ends better. A 12 sack season would easily convince anyone to play another year.
So would $8.5 Million and a legitimate chance at the Lombardi Trophy.
Good points!
255# on the strong side is an uphill battle.....
The strong side simply implies a tight end is on the same side.
It doesn't imply the tight end is blocking the defensive end.
In fact, I'd like that to happen. Taylor would have 5 sacks a game.
It might imply an occasional double team from the tackle and the tight end. If you double team someone, someone else is left unblocked.
I don't think this is nearly the concern some think it is.
The SLB and the SS are also to that side of the formation so if rushing defense is the concern, it shouldn't be. Not any more than last season.
And the pass rush has already improved by default.
Every Redskins fan, without exception, complained that the Redskins did nothing to upgrade the pass rush.
Well, now they have, if only by necessity due to injury.
If there is anyone else who was available that might have been more to someone's liking, talk away. But the only three defensive ends with five or more seasons of 10 sacks are Simeon Rice, the recently retired Michael Strahan, and some guy named Jason Taylor.
Taylor also hasn't missed a game in eight years.
GSPODS wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:yupchagee wrote:GSPODS wrote:yupchagee wrote:A 2nd rnd pick is a lot to give up for a 34 yr old, on the otherhand, he is a premier player. I think his statements about retiring were based a lot on his feelings from last yr. He couldn't possibly have enjoyed playing for a team the was 1-15. His 11 sack are even more impressive considering Miami's oppponents were probably in "must pass" situations less than against any other team.
His 11 sacks also didn't come with Andre Carter or anyone close to Andre Carter on the other side.
I'd say this will make both defensive ends better. A 12 sack season would easily convince anyone to play another year.
So would $8.5 Million and a legitimate chance at the Lombardi Trophy.
Good points!
255# on the strong side is an uphill battle.....
The strong side simply implies a tight end is on the same side.
It doesn't imply the tight end is blocking the defensive end.
In fact, I'd like that to happen. Taylor would have 5 sacks a game.
It might imply an occasional double team from the tackle and the tight end. If you double team someone, someone else is left unblocked.
I don't think this is nearly the concern some think it is.
The SLB and the SS are also to that side of the formation so if rushing defense is the concern, it shouldn't be. Not any more than last season.
And the pass rush has already improved by default.
Every Redskins fan, without exception, complained that the Redskins did nothing to upgrade the pass rush.
Well, now they have, if only by necessity due to injury.
If there is anyone else who was available that might have been more to someone's liking, talk away. But the only three defensive ends with five or more seasons of 10 sacks are Simeon Rice, the recently retired Michael Strahan, and some guy named Jason Taylor.
Taylor also hasn't missed a game in eight years.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:This could be potentially awesome if our rush up the middle is solid, I forsee a lot of 1-1 battles this season... Not too steep of a price considering the circumstances.
fleetus wrote:I'd love to hear Blache's comments. There is a big contingent of Skins fans that are more football intelligent than the average Joe fantasy football geek, who are dying to understand what Blache envisions. Or if he was consulted heavily.
This will take some beating off M. Washington. He no longer has to put his hand in the dirt and pretend to be a DE on 3rd down.
SkinsFreak wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Our front office never learns.
Whatever. Who are all these other options to trade for? Our FO has been very good this offseason. This was an unforeseen circumstance. Do you really expect then to rely on James, Evans, Wilson or Rob Jackson? Them doing nothing would be a stupid move.
GSPODS wrote:skinsfano28 wrote:official word just in on ESPNews, skins get Jason Taylor, Dolphins get 2nd in 2009, 6th in 2010...let the debate start...NOW.
You're late. It's already started.
And IF Taylor plays two seasons, the trade is worth the cost.
The Redskins couldn't draft a decent defensive lineman with the #1 overall pick, no salary cap, and Bobby Beathard's input.
That 2nd rounder would have gone toward something less useful, like another freaking wide receiver. And everyone knows it.
GSPODS wrote:skinsfano28 wrote:official word just in on ESPNews, skins get Jason Taylor, Dolphins get 2nd in 2009, 6th in 2010...let the debate start...NOW.
You're late. It's already started.
And IF Taylor plays two seasons, the trade is worth the cost.
The Redskins couldn't draft a decent defensive lineman with the #1 overall pick, no salary cap, and Bobby Beathard's input.
That 2nd rounder would have gone toward something less useful, like another freaking wide receiver. And everyone knows it.
Jason Taylor was destined to dance with Dan Snyder and the Redskins, but it took the first day of practice for Taylor's reality show to head to Washington.
As Taylor entered the offseason, the lifelong Dolphin knew it was time for a change. Dolphins executive vice president of football operations Bill Parcells was bringing in the third rebuilding plan for the Dolphins in four years. Knowing he was going to be 34 years old this fall and disappointed by failed rebuilding efforts by Nick Saban and Cam Cameron, Taylor wanted a chance at the playoffs. He didn't want another season on a team that might be a couple years away from winning.
The Redskins were the logical team all along. First, Washington has been a playoff contender the past couple of years. Second, the Redskins have an owner, Snyder, who is always willing to bring in big-name players. Third, Washington has been looking for a defensive end with double-digit sack ability for the past two seasons.
It also didn't hurt that Taylor became a television superstar while finishing second on "Dancing With the Stars." Hollywood studios have shown interest in his post-NFL career acting ability because he showed he can deliver 25 million loyal viewers on the television show. Snyder has his own ties to Hollywood with a business relationship with Tom Cruise, but it was Redskins football that brought both sides together.
For the Redskins, the price -- second- and sixth-round draft picks -- was worth it. Defensive end was their thinnest position. The first-day practice losses of Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee on Sunday left them with only nine healthy defensive linemen. Erasmus James is the 10th defensive lineman left on the roster, but he's on the physically unable to perform list recovering from years of knee problems.
Snyder and general manager Vinny Cerrato had prepared for a rainy day, but they were being careful this offseason. They had more than $9 million in cap room to be able to make a quick trade. They had 10 rookie draft choices and all but a fourth-round choice from their stash of 2009 selections. If Taylor can solidify the defensive line, the price was worth it.
Parcells showed that patience can be a virtue in making trades. Many people in the organization suggested to Parcells he release Taylor and move on if the player really didn't want to be there. Parcells knew Taylor was a valuable asset on and off the field, so he waited. When the Redskins called Sunday, he was willing to make a quick trade.
For a rebuilding team, the Dolphins are better served by having more draft picks. For a playoff contender, Taylor could be worth an extra win or two in the tough NFC East.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Just one season? Okay, keep on with that. Do you really think this trade would happen for one year? Don't you think they would've talked to Jason and confirmed that he'll agree to play for more than one year? Come on dude... Rolling Eyes
Taylor reiterated in an interview last week that he is only planning on playing for one more season. Sure that could change. But I highly doubt that he guaranteed to the Skins that we would play in 2010.
''[Taylor] is ecstatic,'' said Gary Wichard, who has been Taylor's agent since he was drafted by the Dolphins in the third round of the 1997 NFL Draft. ``It's also a little bittersweet for him. It's tough for him to leave. But at the same time, the clock is ticking.''
Speaking of the clock, Taylor now plans to play more than one season, which negates previous comments in which he indicated he likely would retire at the end of the year. Taylor, though, has never fully committed to leaving the game, often leaving the door open if a scenario (like this one) suddenly emerged. Wichard was very clear about one thing Sunday: Taylor departs Miami respecting the current Dolphins' brass, despite what has seemed to be an icy relationship as a result of both sides' own interests.
According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Taylor told the Redskins he did not need to renegotiate and was willing to play for the final two years of his contract. He is scheduled to make $8.1 million this season. With around $9 million of cap room, the Redskins were able to work the trade quickly.
GSPODS wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:yupchagee wrote:GSPODS wrote:yupchagee wrote:A 2nd rnd pick is a lot to give up for a 34 yr old, on the otherhand, he is a premier player. I think his statements about retiring were based a lot on his feelings from last yr. He couldn't possibly have enjoyed playing for a team the was 1-15. His 11 sack are even more impressive considering Miami's oppponents were probably in "must pass" situations less than against any other team.
His 11 sacks also didn't come with Andre Carter or anyone close to Andre Carter on the other side.
I'd say this will make both defensive ends better. A 12 sack season would easily convince anyone to play another year.
So would $8.5 Million and a legitimate chance at the Lombardi Trophy.
Good points!
255# on the strong side is an uphill battle.....
The strong side simply implies a tight end is on the same side.
It doesn't imply the tight end is blocking the defensive end.
In fact, I'd like that to happen. Taylor would have 5 sacks a game.
It might imply an occasional double team from the tackle and the tight end. If you double team someone, someone else is left unblocked.
I don't think this is nearly the concern some think it is.
The SLB and the SS are also to that side of the formation so if rushing defense is the concern, it shouldn't be. Not any more than last season.
And the pass rush has already improved by default.
Every Redskins fan, without exception, complained that the Redskins did nothing to upgrade the pass rush.
Well, now they have, if only by necessity due to injury.
If there is anyone else who was available that might have been more to someone's liking, talk away. But the only three defensive ends with five or more seasons of 10 sacks are Simeon Rice, the recently retired Michael Strahan, and some guy named Jason Taylor.
Taylor also hasn't missed a game in eight years.
Seriuosly though, he is in exceptional shape, making his age less of a concern
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I swear, the people on this site are so negative! What else would you wise all knowing people have done? We didn't spend our draft picks on our d-line, but what we got instead is just fine with me. I for one am excited to see Taylor come to Washington. He had more sacks last year (11) than Daniels (2.5) and one of our biggest problems on Defense was not being able to get to the quarterback and disrupt the flow of the other teams offense. So wouldn't this be good considering we now have Andre Carter and Jason Taylor anchoring our line? Not to mention, Daniels is a year older than Taylor. "Our FO never learns". I think most of the people here never learn. Its the same narrow-minded "Snyder and Cerrato just want the big name player and have no clue what they're doing" mentality as has been since Snyder took over. I for one was not a fan of Snyder when he first bought the team, but in recent history it looks as though he and Vinny have both taken more of an intelligent approach with the Skins. This should help our entire defense. Im tired of hearing people whine and take shots at our FO. If you are so in touch with how things should be and what the Skins should do, why aren't you all working for the Skins? I put my faith in the decisions they've made the past couple seasons. JT gives us that QB pressure we have been salivating over for the past few seasons. I can't wait to see him and Carter in action! GOOD JOB SNYDER AND CERRATO!!! 
Warmother wrote:I think the deal is great. 2 picks over 2 years is not that expensive when your getting a player the quality of Jason Taylor. Our d-line just got very good. Taylor and Carter remind me a little of Manley and Mann. Both can cause match-up problems and get to the QB. Something that our defense hasn't been able to do consistantly for awhile.
Secondary_Chaos wrote:](*,) I swear, the people on this site are so negative! What else would you wise all knowing people have done? We didn't spend our draft picks on our d-line, but what we got instead is just fine with me. I for one am excited to see Taylor come to Washington. He had more sacks last year (11) than Daniels (2.5) and one of our biggest problems on Defense was not being able to get to the quarterback and disrupt the flow of the other teams offense. So wouldn't this be good considering we now have Andre Carter and Jason Taylor anchoring our line? Not to mention, Daniels is a year older than Taylor. "Our FO never learns". I think most of the people here never learn. Its the same narrow-minded "Snyder and Cerrato just want the big name player and have no clue what they're doing" mentality as has been since Snyder took over. I for one was not a fan of Snyder when he first bought the team, but in recent history it looks as though he and Vinny have both taken more of an intelligent approach with the Skins. This should help our entire defense. Im tired of hearing people whine and take shots at our FO. If you are so in touch with how things should be and what the Skins should do, why aren't you all working for the Skins? I put my faith in the decisions they've made the past couple seasons. JT gives us that QB pressure we have been salivating over for the past few seasons. I can't wait to see him and Carter in action! GOOD JOB SNYDER AND
CERRATO!!!
El Mexican wrote:This trade is ridiculous.
You´re most probably getting ONE year from a guy who will be an offseason distraction AND you give up two draft picks.
The team has absolutely no guarantee Taylor will fit our D-Scheme. In fact, you guys surely know, P.Daniels had a very different role to fill in our D-scheme than now Taylor.
Now I´m not disputing Taylor´s obvious natural ability to get to the QB. He gets a lot of sacks. Do CONSIDER this though: AFC East teams pass a lot. Those great sack numbers by Taylor obvioulsy reflect this tendency.
More than putting up a high sack number I hope he fits adequetly Blanche´s scheme.
Vet wrote:I'm not disupting that something needed to be done. I'm not disputing that Taylor has talent. I'm of the opinion that we now have (essentially) an oversized LB playing EVERY DOWN on the strong side. It's quite common that the TE with chip at the LDE as he comes out to throw off the LDE timing. This makes a HUGE impact on 99.8% of the LDEs in the game with the fast pace of today's NFL. If we could have stuck Taylor on weak side, I would have been much much happier, but not at the expense of Carter. I just don't feel Taylor's a good fit for the position we're putting him in.
I'm not condemning him, just trying not to get my hopes up.