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Silverfox wrote:In the mean time, did he pass a physical today - anybody hear?
In any event, it was a good move for the Redskins, IMHO.

Rescheduled for Thursday

I'm not getting my hopes up but this could turn out to be a real steal for us. Let's hope his potential can be reached here.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I could personally care less abot the 7th round. My point was more about James not being the next Strahan or Jason Taylor.

He won't? Geez. . . what the hell is wrong with our front office? How could they possibly give up a CONDITIONAL 7th round draft pick for a guy that won't become the next Strahan or Taylor? What a bunch of idiots. . .

Who said anything about James becoming the next Strahan or Jason Taylor? Oh, right... nobody. You just thought we needed to be warned. Thanks. As Fios pointed out, his prior injuries mean very little in this case. If he doesn't pan out, it costs us nothing. That's the point folks are talking about. He was a former 1st round pick, so there is some "potential" there.

...and when some say "potential", they mean to possibly contribute or become a starter, not that he'll be the next great HOF DE.

SkinsFreak wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I could personally care less abot the 7th round. My point was more about James not being the next Strahan or Jason Taylor.

He won't? Geez. . . what the hell is wrong with our front office? How could they possibly give up a CONDITIONAL 7th round draft pick for a guy that won't become the next Strahan or Taylor? What a bunch of idiots. . .

Who said anything about James becoming the next Strahan or Jason Taylor? Oh, right... nobody. You just thought we needed to be warned. Thanks. As Fios pointed out, his prior injuries mean very little in this case. If he doesn't pan out, it costs us nothing. That's the point folks are talking about. He was a former 1st round pick, so there is some "potential" there.

...and when some say "potential", they mean to possibly contribute or become a starter, not that he'll be the next great HOF DE.

Thank you, once again, for pointing that out. Your tribute here is truly appreciated......

Just to clarify things a little further, the terms are not a 7th rounder "if he makes the team". What I read in the Minneapolis Newspaper was

The Vikings will get the draft pick only if James plays in a regular-season game in 2008.

This is even better, IMO. He could make the team and get injured during camp or simply not play well enough to work his way onto the field and we will give up NOTHING.

Now for some downside:

James did very limited work at the Vikings' organized team activities last week and was wearing a brace on his knee. It's uncertain when he will be ready to go.

The trade not only potentially will mean the Vikings get a draft pick, but Washington now inherits the responsibility for the $275,000 in injury protection that James stands to get if he can't continue.

Still an almost no-risk move and I applaud The Danny and Vinny show for learning how to both draft better and shop for better free agent deals. Let's hope this continues.

You asked what's wrong with us? What's wrong with "the Danny"? What's with this trade being so far from the norm? You can't tell me that there isn't a former 7th round pick out there, somewhere that he could have given up a conditional 1st round pick for.

Of course you're right. What was I thinking???

fleetus wrote:Still an almost no-risk move and I applaud The Danny and Vinny show for learning how to both draft better and shop for better free agent deals. Let's hope this continues.

Well, I'm not totally sold we won't see them go haywire on a free agent in the future, but I'm glad they didn't overspend in this just passed extremely poor free agent market.

...and we threw away a 7th round pick. Not expensive.

I got high hopes for this guy. He should have something to prove.

HEROHAMO wrote:I got high hopes for this guy. He should have something to prove.

Here's PFW's take on James...

James a speculative pickup for Redskins

May 30, 2008


There are many who questioned the wisdom of trading a seventh-round pick to the Vikings for banged-up DE Erasmus James, but there is some sense to the deal. The choice is dependent on James making the team, and if he does that, there’s a good chance his value will be greater than that of a seventh-round pick. When healthy, James could rediscover his pass-rushing skill, which he has not shown to date in the NFL as he did in college. He’s reunited with Redskins DL coach John Palermo, who coached James at Wisconsin, and Palermo is a noted teacher who is well-respected. James joins a DE rotation that includes Phillip Daniels, Andre Carter, Demetric Evans, Chris Wilson and Alex Buzbee — Rob Jackson, Tommy Davis and Kevin Huntley are considered long shots to make the team — one that likely will land five players on the 53-man roster. Daniels and Carter are sure bets, and Evans is considered a valuable reserve; James likely would have to beat out either Wilson or Buzbee, two speed rushers who opened eyes last season, to earn a roster spot.

70% (7 out of 10) THNers thinks he'll make the team and play this season

If James gets healthy, and stays that way, he very well could rediscover himself. Palermo got the best out of him at Wisconsin, so there's a better than average chance Palermo can help James get back to form. And PFW's assessment is right; "there’s a good chance his value will be greater than that of a seventh-round pick." Assuming James gets healthy, does he have a better chance to make the team over our 7th round pick from this year, DE Rob Jackson? I gotta think James has the edge.

Apparently nobody does any reading.

The Vikings waived defensive end Erasmus James, according to the team’s website, after failing to pass his physical.
James is recovering from three operations on his left knee in a 13-month period.

So, has anyone heard anything about James passing his physical? Because unless or until he does, the rest of this discussion is meaningless.

GSPODS wrote:Apparently nobody does any reading.

The Vikings waived defensive end Erasmus James, according to the team’s website, after failing to pass his physical.
James is recovering from three operations on his left knee in a 13-month period.

So, has anyone heard anything about James passing his physical? Because unless or until he does, the rest of this discussion is meaningless.

Some don't read enough...

You can't waive a player and then trade him. The Vikings couldn't file the paperwork before Tuesday even though the waived him Friday.

Vinny would have been 21st in line to claim him off waivers so he called the Vikes, offered a conditional 7th to move to the front of the line and the Vikes had no reason to file the papers (considering the might get something for him)

It's a known fact that if a guy can walk and the team wants him he'll pass the physical.

Because you have nothing to add doesn't make it meaningless. Case in point - I had nothing to had until your meaningless post.

Thanks

1niksder wrote:

GSPODS wrote:Apparently nobody does any reading.

The Vikings waived defensive end Erasmus James, according to the team’s website, after failing to pass his physical.
James is recovering from three operations on his left knee in a 13-month period.

So, has anyone heard anything about James passing his physical? Because unless or until he does, the rest of this discussion is meaningless.

Some don't read enough...

You can't waive a player and then trade him. The Vikings couldn't file the paperwork before Tuesday even though the waived him Friday.

Vinny would have been 21st in line to claim him off waivers so he called the Vikes, offered a conditional 7th to move to the front of the line and the Vikes had no reason to file the papers (considering the might get something for him)

It's a known fact that if a guy can walk and the team wants him he'll pass the physical.

Because you have nothing to add doesn't make it meaningless. Case in point - I had nothing to had until your meaningless post.

Thanks

That isn't the question. The question is: Did James pass the physical?
The answer determines whether or not James plays this season, whether or not James goes on IR, and whether or not the Redskins will have to give up the 7th round pick. James has to play this season or the Redskins don't lose the pick. That is what I am getting at. So, all the argument about giving up the pick may turn out to be meaningless.

You're Welcome.

1niksder wrote:Because you have nothing to add doesn't make it meaningless. Case in point - I had nothing to had until your meaningless post.

Thanks

GSPODS wrote:That isn't the question. The question is: Did James pass the physical?
The answer determines whether or not James plays this season, whether or not James goes on IR, and whether or not the Redskins will have to give up the 7th round pick. James has to play this season or the Redskins don't lose the pick. That is what I am getting at. So, all the argument about giving up the pick may turn out to be meaningless.

You're Welcome.

I get it, you need it spelled out for you.

Here goes...

You are running a team and you have this player that has been injured more times than not and a need to upgrade his position. You've been getting by because Ray Edwards and Brian Robison have been doing OK, you have two young guys to provide depth. Waiting on James wasn't costing you much. Out the blue you fall into a trade that gives you a guy that plays the same spot as the guy you're waiting on to get healthy and he happened to lead the league in sacks. But you run the team and you say the kid was healthy enough to take part in OTAs on a "limited bases" the week BEFORE he failed his physical and you let him go.

Still don't get it?


Say you run a different team, you have a DL with all the starters over 30 or pushing it. you've got limited depth all the way across this aging line and unlike the guy running the other team the previous DC didn't feel the need to look for help over the past few years so depth is thin if not non-existent. Then you hear about this 25 year old kid that was cut but it's not official because of the holidays, so you ask around. Your DL coach happened to be the kids coach back in the minors (which led the kid to be selected 18th overall a few years earlier). He will only cost you your last pick in next years draft if he makes the team. How long would you keep your team doctors if they don't give the kid a chance, Considering you have a former 1st round pick of you own and your top pick the next year who plays LB both coming off injuries yet haven't taken part in any OTAs even n the "limited bases"?

As I posted in this thread earlier his physical was postponed by one day. Had he failed it, I thing we all would know it by now.

1niksder wrote:

GSPODS wrote:That isn't the question. The question is: Did James pass the physical?
The answer determines whether or not James plays this season, whether or not James goes on IR, and whether or not the Redskins will have to give up the 7th round pick. James has to play this season or the Redskins don't lose the pick. That is what I am getting at. So, all the argument about giving up the pick may turn out to be meaningless.

You're Welcome.

I get it, you need it spelled out for you.

Here goes...

You are running a team and you have this player that has been injured more times than not and a need to upgrade his position. You've been getting by because Ray Edwards and Brian Robison have been doing OK, you have two young guys to provide depth. Waiting on James wasn't costing you much. Out the blue you fall into a trade that gives you a guy that plays the same spot as the guy you're waiting on to get healthy and he happened to lead the league in sacks. But you run the team and you say the kid was healthy enough to take part in OTAs on a "limited bases" the week BEFORE he failed his physical and you let him go.

Still don't get it?


Say you run a different team, you have a DL with all the starters over 30 or pushing it. you've got limited depth all the way across this aging line and unlike the guy running the other team the previous DC didn't feel the need to look for help over the past few years so depth is thin if not non-existent. Then you hear about this 25 year old kid that was cut but it's not official because of the holidays, so you ask around. Your DL coach happened to be the kids coach back in the minors (which led the kid to be selected 18th overall a few years earlier). He will only cost you your last pick in next years draft if he makes the team. How long would you keep your team doctors if they don't give the kid a chance, Considering you have a former 1st round pick of you own and your top pick the next year who plays LB both coming off injuries yet haven't taken part in any OTAs even n the "limited bases"?

As I posted in this thread earlier his physical was postponed by one day. Had he failed it, I thing we all would know it by now.

What is supposed to be spelled out here?
James won't be participating in this week's OTA's.
James may still be placed on IR or PUP.

GSPODS wrote:What is supposed to be spelled out here?

I forgot you only interpet what you want

GSPODS wrote:James won't be participating in this week's OTA's.

And you know this how?

GSPODS wrote:James may still be placed on IR or PUP.

So could any other player on the roster. What's your point. And why are you contributing to such a meaningless discussion

OK: trade a 7th round pick for a "maybe" player. Is that a risk????

Yes, we can fantsize. It's the old days, and that 7th round pick might be Johnny Unitas. Zounds...the Redskins just traded Johnny U for a player who might be injured! Oh no!!!

1niksder wrote:Some don't read enough...

You can't waive a player and then trade him. The Vikings couldn't file the paperwork before Tuesday even though the waived him Friday.

The Vikings had waived James last Friday, but they later rescinded the transaction.

Apparently, you can waive a player and change your mind when another team inquires about a trade of a player you've already waived. That is, as long as the League Office isn't open for business when the waiver paperwork is faxed.

I don't know that James won't be participating in OTA's.
I am taking one hell of an educated guess, based upon two key points:
No reports of James having passed his physical.
No reports of James having signed a contract.
Also, no mention of James by Zorn or Blache regarding OTA's.

And this tidbit:

James was limited to largely light work in his latest comeback with the Vikings and was not participating in team drills during Minnesota's organized team activity practices

welch wrote:OK: trade a 7th round pick for a "maybe" player. Is that a risk????

It's not even that. It's trade a 7th round pick for a player IF that player makes the roster.

If he's the ultimate maybe, i.e., he doesn't make the team...then there's no lost draft pick.

GSPODS, what exactly is your point? You're arguing nothing, as far as I can tell, at this point. Sure, we don't know all the information. EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT.

Please, stop with the incessant arguing over minutiae and semantics. It's getting really old. You have some valuable comments, but they're lost in the sea of posts you make over little points, which have no value. I'm beginning to ignore every post you make, because it's just not worth my time to sift through all the verbiage to find the few posts that are useful, and I know I'm not alone.

Please, I implore you. Chill out.

PulpExposure wrote:

welch wrote:OK: trade a 7th round pick for a "maybe" player. Is that a risk????

It's not even that. It's trade a 7th round pick for a player IF that player makes the roster.

If he's the ultimate maybe, i.e., he doesn't make the team...then there's no lost draft pick.

GSPODS, what exactly is your point? You're arguing nothing, as far as I can tell, at this point. Sure, we don't know all the information. EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT.

Please, stop with the incessant arguing over minutiae and semantics. It's getting really old. You have some valuable comments, but they're lost in the sea of posts you make over little points, which have no value. I'm beginning to ignore every post you make, because it's just not worth my time to sift through all the verbiage to find the few posts that are useful, and I know I'm not alone.

Please, I implore you. Chill out.

I can't figure out where the discussion should be heading. It is a bit challenging to make a valid point without any of the facts. I do see that James has been added to the Redskins roster, so that probably answers the first few questions by default.

Furthermore, there are currently nine defensive ends on the roster. It's doubtful the Redskins will keep more than five. Carter and Daniels are all but locks. Demetric Evans and Chris Wilson are also very likely to be on the roster. That leaves James, Jackson, Huntley, Davis and Buzbee battling for one roster position.

Unless one of the aforementioned players can also play linebacker, I think it safe to assume four of the nine will be cut at some point. The only other possibility is the following:

My thought is now, and has been from the beginning, that James will end up on the IR or PUP list this season, thereby costing the Redskins nothing.

I suppose, if a point is required, that would be as close to one as I can get. I suspect the Redskins will do everything in their power to avoid giving up the draft pick.

Please, stop with the incessant arguing over minutiae and semantics. It's getting really old. You have some valuable comments, but they're lost in the sea of posts you make over little points, which have no value.

He's a lawyer. What do you expect?

yupchagee wrote:

Please, stop with the incessant arguing over minutiae and semantics. It's getting really old. You have some valuable comments, but they're lost in the sea of posts you make over little points, which have no value.

He's a lawyer. What do you expect?

Not that this has anything to do with the discussion topic, but I think PulpExposure has previously indicated he is also an attorney, so contrary to popular opinion, not all attorneys are annoying. Just those of us who go out of our way to be. I'll stop now.

so contrary to popular opinion, not all attorneys are annoying.

Certainly, a debatable point.