Here we go again...Redskins after Chad Johnson

[SkinsFreak]

Personally, I don't think the 21st pick and a 3rd rounder next year, without the escalators, would be too pricey. I think the Skins perspective is this... they need a receiver, Chad is proven, and is, without question, money on the field. Spending a 1st rounder on a proven player like Chad may be better than a 1st or 2nd rounder spent on an unproven receiver from the draft. If we drafted Sweed, Kelly, Hardy or Thomas in the 1st round, would we get equal or greater production from one of those guys?

Yes, Chad is 30 years old, but I believe he still has plenty of gas in the tank. I also think there may be some concern about Philly or Dallas getting Chad, and not wanting to face the guy twice a year in our own division.

All that aside, I'm still of the opinion that I'd rather look elsewhere for a receiver and I still don't think this will happen. But if he did come here, I don't really think anyone could deny or ignore the contributions he could bring to this organization, with his own production as well as limiting double-teams on other receivers like Moss and ey.

[NC43Hog]

If he had burgandy and "GOLD" teeth it might just work!!

[GSPODS]

If he had burgandy and "GOLD" teeth it might just work!!

We'll get Michael Westbrook to sucker punch him in the mouth.

[Mursilis]

People always want to nitpick stats to prove a point and they never look at the big picture when doing so.

Chad is Elite. Period.

Speaking of missing the big picture, I'd say you're guilty of the same. First of all, if Chad is so elite, why has Cincy won 0 playoff games (and only made the playoffs once) with him on the roster? Maybe because it's a team game, and having only one, or just a few, elite players, won't help squat if the rest of the team stinks. Sending multiple draft picks to another team for a 30+ y.0. WR, elite or not, only makes sense if your team is a player or two shy of the SB. Apologies to all the homers, but the 'skins are not that kind of team. The only reason we made the playoffs last year is because we're in the JV conference (we went at 9-7 while 10-6 Cleveland stayed home), and we got bounced in the first round. I'm not happy about it either, but those are the facts. Furthermore, we're heading into '08 with a rookie head coach, age issues on both sides of the line, injury issues with key players (most of the O-line, Rogers, Springs, Washington, McIntosh, etc.,), and a young, still-developing QB. Right now, this is one of those 'lucky to make the playoffs, could finish anywhere between 10-6 and 6-10 or worse' teams that no one who isn't a homer is picking for a SB run. Essentially, we're only a step or two up over Cincy, and moving CJ from there to here isn't going to change much, just like ultimately he didn't change much in Cincy. It would just be another short-sighted, mortgage-the-future, quick-fix move on a team that has already suffered for too many of those sorts of moves in the past. Giving up multiple picks for CJ is just plain dumb.

[jeremyroyce]

Oh and remember guys we have 9 picks this year.

Exactly lets use them this time.

I understand what you saying. But, if you don't mind me asking do you think that we can get a player in the draft with our 21st selection of Chad Johnson caliber?

[VetSkinsFan]

Oh and remember guys we have 9 picks this year.

Exactly lets use them this time.

I understand what you saying. But, if you don't mind me asking do you think that we can get a player in the draft with our 21st selection of Chad Johnson caliber?

Chad's got a 3-5 year shelf life...... MUCH unlike a draft pick. I'd go with the draft pick of this year and next.

[yupchagee]

Oh and remember guys we have 9 picks this year.

Exactly lets use them this time.

I understand what you saying. But, if you don't mind me asking do you think that we can get a player in the draft with our 21st selection of Chad Johnson caliber?

Short term? Probably not. Long term? Probably. Johnson is 30 (& has a bad attitude).

[Mursilis]

Oh and remember guys we have 9 picks this year.

Exactly lets use them this time.

I understand what you saying. But, if you don't mind me asking do you think that we can get a player in the draft with our 21st selection of Chad Johnson caliber?

Short term? Probably not. Long term? Probably. Johnson is 30 (& has a bad attitude).

This whole discussion is moot anyway - Cincy is looking for far more than JUST the 21st pick in the draft for CJ. Rumor is they rejected a 1st this year and a 3rd next year, so clearly they want multiple, high round picks. That's the question you have to ask - is CJ worth multiple high round picks? Clearly NOT.

[BnGhog]

People always want to nitpick stats to prove a point and they never look at the big picture when doing so.

Chad is Elite. Period.

Speaking of missing the big picture, I'd say you're guilty of the same. First of all, if Chad is so elite, why has Cincy won 0 playoff games (and only made the playoffs once) with him on the roster?

Hmm. Because the rest of the team sucks, well, TJ's ok and Carson is good.

Maybe because it's a team game, and having only one, or just a few, elite players, won't help squat if the rest of the team stinks.

Exactly! The rest of there team with exception of a few suck. But on the Skins we already have key players and a good all around level of talent, but not one elite player. Not one. Well, maybe Portis, but not according to the rest of the world.

Sending multiple draft picks to another team for a 30+ y.0. WR, elite or not, only makes sense if your team is a player or two shy of the SB.

We are not talking about sending all our pick for him. Just 2. 2 out of 9. Accually on 1 out of the 9 this year.

Apologies to all the homers, but the 'skins are not that kind of team. The only reason we made the playoffs last year is because we're in the JV conference (we went at 9-7 while 10-6 Cleveland stayed home),

More nitpicking Stats. Whos to say that 10-6 would have been 10-6 in our conference with our schedule?

and we got bounced in the first round. I'm not happy about it either, but those are the facts.

What If we had just Two more TD by #85? And No Double on Moss the entire game?

Furthermore, we're heading into '08 with a rookie head coach, age issues on both sides of the line, injury issues with key players (most of the O-line, Rogers, Springs, Washington, McIntosh, etc.,), and a young, still-developing QB. Right now, this is one of those 'lucky to make the playoffs, could finish anywhere between 10-6 and 6-10 or worse' teams that no one who isn't a homer is picking for a SB run.

Exactly, Soooo why not add an elite WR again? Oh because we would loose one pick out of nine this year, and chances are high that we would use that pick on a WR. But wouldn't we have a WR if we trade that pic for Chad? Wait a minute, whats the problem again?

Essentially, we're only a step or two up over Cincy, and moving CJ from there to here isn't going to change much,

Cincy had the #10 offense and #27 D. Chad could put our Offence in the top 10 and we could still have a much more solid D plus a better running game then Cincy ever dreamed

just like ultimately he didn't change much in Cincy.

Yep, only helped there Offence be better than 22 other teams. That didn't help much at all.

It would just be another short-sighted, mortgage-the-future, quick-fix move on a team that has already suffered for too many of those sorts of moves in the past. Giving up multiple picks for CJ is just plain dumb.

Again its only one pick this year and one the next. If one thing our FO has shown over the years, is they can make the cap space for whatever they want, so thats not a problem.

Your acting like we are trying to build from FA again. That's not the case this is one upgrade. We still have most of our picks. Compair that to how many picks we had last year. This time last year, anyone on this board would have loved to have just half as many as we do this year.

[VetSkinsFan]

It's the FIRST this year and potentially FIRST next yera with the type of production you're estimating. With our top 7 O lineman over 30 and 1 pro-bowl caliber D lineman (in addition to all the other needs), I would rather keep the draft picks and get younger.

[BnGhog]

It's the FIRST this year

The first that we would use on a WR.

and potentially FIRST next yera with the type of production you're estimating. With our top 7 O lineman over 30 and 1 pro-bowl caliber D lineman (in addition to all the other needs), I would rather keep the draft picks and get younger.

One pick this year and one pick next year is not going to fix 7 o lineman and get us the D lineman we need. You think we can get all that with two pics?

We would still have 8 picks this year!

[yupchagee]

We are not talking about sending all our pick for him. Just 2. 2 out of 9. Accually on 1 out of the 9 this year.

Only 1, but the 1st 1. All picks are not created equal.

[CanesSkins26]

The first that we would use on a WR.

Or a defensive or offensive lineman. Merling and Williams are very strong possibilities with our first round pick.

[Cappster]

I wouldn't mind sending our first round pick for a stud WR that isn't Chad Johnson. First round draft picks tend to be overrated and are not guaranteed to shine in the NFL.

[CanesSkins26]

I wouldn't mind sending our first round pick for a stud WR that isn't Chad Johnson. First round draft picks tend to be overrated and are not guaranteed to shine in the NFL.

If this trade was for a young stud like Boldin, Roy Williams, or Andre Johnson, I'd be all for it. But trading for a 30 year old player with an attitude problem makes zero sense. If Johnson can't get along with his pro-bowl qb, why would he be able to with Jason Campbell?

[Mursilis]

We are not talking about sending all our pick for him. Just 2. 2 out of 9. Accually on 1 out of the 9 this year.

Again, you're just speculating on what it's going to cost. 2 picks is what Cincy reportedly REJECTED. It may require more - they clearly want quite a bit for the guy. I never said he's not worth ANY price - he's a great proven player, but I still don't see more than ONE 2nd rounder for him. Or maybe our low first rounder. But certainly not as many, and has high, as the picks Cincy wants.

Apologies to all the homers, but the 'skins are not that kind of team. The only reason we made the playoffs last year is because we're in the JV conference (we went at 9-7 while 10-6 Cleveland stayed home),

More nitpicking Stats. Whos to say that 10-6 would have been 10-6 in our conference with our schedule?

and we got bounced in the first round. I'm not happy about it either, but those are the facts.

What If we had just Two more TD by #85? And No Double on Moss the entire game?

That's just more speculation. I only know what I saw last season - a 9-7 team that played most opponents hard but only dominated a sorry Detroit team and a Dallas team resting its starters. A truly *good* team is one that can consistently make the playoffs year after year, or at least post winning records. This team is all over the place - 5-11, 6-10, 10-6, 5-11, 9-7, ? That just screams average to me.

just like ultimately he didn't change much in Cincy.

Yep, only helped there Offence be better than 22 other teams. That didn't help much at all.

I'll go back to that number of playoff games won with CJ question again.

It would just be another short-sighted, mortgage-the-future, quick-fix move on a team that has already suffered for too many of those sorts of moves in the past. Giving up multiple picks for CJ is just plain dumb.

Again its only one pick this year and one the next. If one thing our FO has shown over the years, is they can make the cap space for whatever they want, so thats not a problem.

And again, that's the deal Cincy REJECTED. Who knows how many picks they really want. I'm still saying we've got too many needs elsewhere to give up that many picks.

[Bob 0119]

Nope, I hadn't seen the Lewis turn-around on ESPN.

Fact is we do need a WR. Do I think we should get Chad Johnson? No, I think he's poison. Not even considering the draft picks, it's the salary that goes along with him. He's going to want more than the rest of our recievers combined and that's going to hurt morale if he gets it.

Never mind the fact that if we reward this kind of anti-contract behavior, then we encourage it to happen to us. Kind of the "you knew I was a snake when you met me" kind of thing.

I like the idea of an incentive based trade offer, and I think trading away our #1 for a proven WR is a good idea, but CJ has been a distraction everywhere he's been.

Then again, everyone said Randy Moss was trouble too....

[Mursilis]

Then again, everyone said Randy Moss was trouble too....

Difference is, Moss cost NE a 4th, and signed for practically nothing (at least last year). I'd give a 4th for CJ, no problem, and I don't think Snyder even cares about the money issue.

The whole WR position is overrated anyway - the Giants managed to win the SB with a #1 WR (Burress) who was only 21st in receiving yards and 29th in receptions. Of the top 10 players in receiving yards, 6 watched the playoffs from their couch.

[langleyparkjoe]

Yup Fios... Santana one-one down the field.. ARE going across the middle.. ey all over da damn place.. Portis/Betts out of the backfield.. Chad Johnson on opposite side of Santana.. wow, sounds lovely.

2 bad it won't happen

[Countertrey]

Nope, I hadn't seen the Lewis turn-around on ESPN.

Fact is we do need a WR. Do I think we should get Chad Johnson? No, I think he's poison. Not even considering the draft picks, it's the salary that goes along with him. He's going to want more than the rest of our recievers combined and that's going to hurt morale if he gets it.

Never mind the fact that if we reward this kind of anti-contract behavior, then we encourage it to happen to us. Kind of the "you knew I was a snake when you met me" kind of thing.

I like the idea of an incentive based trade offer, and I think trading away our #1 for a proven WR is a good idea, but CJ has been a distraction everywhere he's been.

Then again, everyone said Randy Moss was trouble too....

NP. We are on the same page.

[MDSKINSFAN]

im glad we didnt get him. if i were the bengals tho i wouldve snatched that up quick. two first round picks is too much for a guy that will do the same thing again in the future. that was a naive mood by snyder

[skinsfan#33]

A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)

Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.

And that trade was idiotic as well!

[GSPODS]

Antwan Randle-El on Chad Johnson:

"I remember before I got here, I heard stuff about the late Sean Taylor," Randle El said. "I thought he was just going to be one of those guys who's a thug and that kind of thing, and he blew my mind when I got here. He was nothing like that, just a totally different guy than I thought he would be. That's why you shouldn't have preconceived ideas about guys."

[Fios]

A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)

Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.

And that trade was idiotic as well!

But it did happen, so you'd be forced to concede that no one giving up a first is wrong.

[VetSkinsFan]

A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)

Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.

And that trade was idiotic as well!

But it did happen, so you'd be forced to concede that no one giving up a first is wrong.

Just b/c it happened doesn't mean it's not wrong.