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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:27 pm
by jazzskins
1niksder wrote:spudstr04 wrote:He runs a 46 defense....we've already been through this....
You went to fast check out the Raven's starters
You were incorrectly corrected

I was the one who pointed out that the Ravens have ran a 46 for the last few years. I live in Ravens country, and every family member that I have is a huge Ravens fan. I know nearly as much about that team as I do about the Skins, and they do run a 46 Defense.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_3_35/ai_n15657209http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/13/AR2005061301547.htmlhttp://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8767613Under Rex Ryan, who takes over for Mile Nolan as coordinator, the Ravens will change from a 3-4 front to a 4-3 front with many of the 46 blitz packages built into the system.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:31 pm
by jazzskins
CanesSkins26 wrote:I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but I don't believe that we have the type of linemen to run a 3-4. For starters, we don't have a player that fits the nose tackle roll. Perhaps Montgomery would fit? As for the other linemen, every starter on the Ravens line was over 300 pounds. I believe that a 3-4 requires bigger defensive linemen. Carter, for example, would be a linebacker in a 3-4. A roll that he struggled in with the 49ers. So all in all I'm just not sure that we would be able to immediately run a 3-4.
Thank you....besides, Ryan runs a 46 defense anyway! And that would be a good fit.....especially since we no longer have two all pro safeties.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:43 pm
by SkinsFreak
I've heard Vinny is a big fan of Elvis. Several league sources close to Vinny, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Elvis could emerge as serious contender for the HC position due to his ties with Cerrato.
Anyone think Joe Gibbs has received word of this and has called Snyder to say... "HEY DAN... WTF ARE YOU DOING?!?"
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:51 pm
by jazzskins
The Washington Redskins and the New York Jets are reportedly interested in hiring Ryan as their coordinator, but Ryan said he had not heard from the Redskins as of Wednesday morning.
The above quote from today's examiner.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1175424~Rex_Ryan_open_to_a_return.html
Until it actually happens I don't beleive it. The Skins have been super secretive this last few weeks and the media need something to write about.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:53 pm
by Sgraham
SkinsFreak wrote:I've heard Vinny is a big fan of Elvis. Several league sources close to Vinny, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Elvis could emerge as serious contender for the HC position due to his ties with Cerrato.
Anyone think Joe Gibbs has received word of this and has called Snyder to say... "HEY DAN... WTF ARE YOU DOING?!?"
Dude, how old are you, 12?
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:59 pm
by CanesSkins26
Even though I said I was cautiously optimistic about this because of Fassel's and Zorn's work with qb's and Ryan's abilities as a defensive coordinator, what concerns me most about this is the type of offense that Fassel/Zorn are going to run. Fassel has called his own plays before so I would assume that he is going to do that here. With that said, does anybody remember what type of offense Fassel ran in NY? My vague recollection is that it was fairly conservative, which is NOT something that we need.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:00 pm
by 1niksder
Those are articles from 2005. I posted the starting defensive line up a page ago. It didn't have four defensive line starting for that defense. I'm kind of thinking a 46 or even a hybrid 46 would start with at the least four defense lineman.
I could be wrong but considering you know so much about the Ratbirds, didn't I hear something right after the the 2005 season about Ray-Ray complaining about the defensive scheme they were running was allowing the O-line to get to him and making it harder for him to make plays?
If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sure I was wrong when I thought they drafted some guy name Haloti Ngata to keep people off Ray that very off season.
As wrong as I may have been this little response should have told me they ran a 46 defense
Rex Ryan on Feb 2, 2007 wrote:It’s hard to say. We do a lot of 3-4 stuff. We’ll base 3-4, then stem the overs and unders which are 4-3 defenses. We probably played more 3-4 against Manning than we normally do. The Colts give you two tight ends as a base set, but they run a lot of three wide formations. A lot of times, you’re running nickel packages even in first downs against them. A lot of that is our 3-4 stuff where we move around. We went into that game knowing that our big three-man rush package would be important against him because they were going to protect him. Quite honestly, if you cut the head off that thing, the offense is going to fall if you can get to him. Now, in the process of doing that, you’re going to leave yourself vulnerable. You have to pick you shots against him. You can’t just live doing one thing or another, because once he gets a bead on what you’re doing, he is going to be really tough.
Link tpye thingy
What was I thinking way down here in Florida with no Ravens fans around me at all

jazzskins wrote:Until it actually happens I don't beleive it. The Skins have been super secretive this last few weeks and the media need something to write about.
I'm with you there....
How come everything written about Rex says he was fired and that he's still under contract
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:05 pm
by absinthe1023
por-tiz2skins wrote:cleg wrote:As soon as this becomes official I am cancelling my season tickets. So much for consistency. So much for the 2 years JC tried to learn Al's offense.
Calm,down.
Its not like well be 5-11 again,first and for most Fassuel well have better calls than Gibbs.I think Fassuel well go on 4th downs alot more and well go deep more.
I feel much better after reading this....it is definitely a rock-solid fact that all great offenses are predicated on the ability to frequently attempt fourth down conversions....
Which begs the question: if Fassell's playcalling is so good, why would you need to go for it on fourth down at all? Wouldn't you just score on first, second or third down?
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:06 pm
by jazzskins
1niksder wrote:I could be wrong but considering you know so much about the Ratbirds, didn't I hear something right after the the 2005 season about Ray-Ray complaining about the defensive scheme they were running was allowing the O-line to get to him and making it harder for him to make plays?
If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sure I was wrong when I thought they drafted some guy name Haloti Ngata to keep people off Ray that very off season.
It's true that Ray put up a stink and had them not only switch to the 4 base linemen but also to draft another D-Tackle. They run a base 4-3 with alot of different packages, including lots of 3-4.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:43 pm
by SkinsFreak
Sgraham wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:I've heard Vinny is a big fan of Elvis. Several league sources close to Vinny, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Elvis could emerge as serious contender for the HC position due to his ties with Cerrato.
Anyone think Joe Gibbs has received word of this and has called Snyder to say... "HEY DAN... WTF ARE YOU DOING?!?"
Dude, how old are you, 12?
Yes, absolutely. I just turned 12 about 2 weeks ago. And I said that because that scenario is about as rational and logical as what we've been hearing from the media.
Redskins Are Off Base
Posted by Dave McKenna on Jan. 23, 2008, at 6:39 pm
Everybody’s saying the Redskins are about to name ex-Giants coach Jim Fassel to replace Joe Gibbs.
Let’s see how the owner’s decision is playing among the base. Here is the first page of the thread titled “Message to the Danny” on extremeskins.com, the Snyder-owned fan site:
Sarge: If this Fossil thing goes through, you’ll get my season tickets back in the mail next month. Book it.
LightenupSandyBaby: F U DAN
chow184: if I had season tickets I’d be selling them right about now.
BadKarma: I dont have season tix but you can count on the fact I wont be going to anymore games if you blow up OUR team for Jim Fassell.
laythalumber2130: I HATE YOU DANNY SNYDER thanks again for nothing
CGSKINS: Give them to me. I’m gone RIDE or DIE with my squad. Skins for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pskins: Dan Snyder, You Are A Jack*$$
A FORMERLY PROUD REDSKINS FAN!
Argentina: Thanks for ruining our team. Now I can fully concentrate on the Washington Wizards.
Oh, I forgot, **** you!
REDMAN7: so much for Snyder “learning” from Joe Gibbs
skinfan31: sell now!!! before you do any more damage!
vegeta613’s: Dan and Vinny=clowns
DallasSucks19922010: stop being a b**** snyder!
Skins81a: HATE is not a strong enough word on how I feel about you Danny…you jerk! This team was mine before it was yours!
Several more pages of this same sentiment were entered within the first half hour of the thread’s existence. Alas, the “Message to the Danny” thread disappeared from the board — which, again, is owned by Snyder — shortly after these samples were copied.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:43 pm
by PulpExposure
1niksder wrote:Those are articles from 2005. I posted the starting defensive line up a page ago. It didn't have four defensive line starting for that defense. I'm kind of thinking a 46 or even a hybrid 46 would start with at the least four defense lineman.
I could be wrong but considering you know so much about the Ratbirds, didn't I hear something right after the the 2005 season about Ray-Ray complaining about the defensive scheme they were running was allowing the O-line to get to him and making it harder for him to make plays?
If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sure I was wrong when I thought they drafted some guy name Haloti Ngata to keep people off Ray that very off season.
Ngata plays DE for the Ravens, but he plays more pinched inside than a normal 3-4 DE.
The Ravens really do run more of a 4-3 than a 3-4 (I also am near Birdland, and I learn more than I want to about them).
From another post I made:
A normal 3-4 in the front 7 looks like this:
The Ravens play it more like
It's just that Suggs, who plays the LB more like a DE, will actually peel off and play coverage once in awhile. Not all that often, though.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:59 pm
by Mursilis
SkinsFreak wrote:Redskins Are Off Base
Posted by Dave McKenna on Jan. 23, 2008, at 6:39 pm
Everybody’s saying the Redskins are about to name ex-Giants coach Jim Fassel to replace Joe Gibbs.
Let’s see how the owner’s decision is playing among the base. Here is the first page of the thread titled “Message to the Danny” on extremeskins.com, the Snyder-owned fan site:
Sarge: If this Fossil thing goes through, you’ll get my season tickets back in the mail next month. Book it.
LightenupSandyBaby: F U DAN
chow184: if I had season tickets I’d be selling them right about now.
BadKarma: I dont have season tix but you can count on the fact I wont be going to anymore games if you blow up OUR team for Jim Fassell.
laythalumber2130: I HATE YOU DANNY SNYDER thanks again for nothing
CGSKINS: Give them to me. I’m gone RIDE or DIE with my squad. Skins for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pskins: Dan Snyder, You Are A Jack*$$
A FORMERLY PROUD REDSKINS FAN!
Argentina: Thanks for ruining our team. Now I can fully concentrate on the Washington Wizards.
Oh, I forgot, **** you!
REDMAN7: so much for Snyder “learning” from Joe Gibbs
skinfan31: sell now!!! before you do any more damage!
vegeta613’s: Dan and Vinny=clowns
DallasSucks19922010: stop being a b**** snyder!
Skins81a: HATE is not a strong enough word on how I feel about you Danny…you jerk! This team was mine before it was yours!
Several more pages of this same sentiment were entered within the first half hour of the thread’s existence. Alas, the “Message to the Danny” thread disappeared from the board — which, again, is owned by Snyder — shortly after these samples were copied.
Link
Seriously, most football fans are dumb as bricks. Who cares what they think? I'm not saying Jim Fassel is definitely going to be a success here, but he's got a .522 win percentage as a pro head coach, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:08 pm
by 1niksder
Mursilis wrote:Seriously, most football fans are dumb as bricks. Who cares what they think? I'm not saying Jim Fassel is definitely going to be a success here, but he's got a .522 win percentage as a pro head coach, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out.
He's no JJG
He coached the Gints and the Ratbirds.
If he's coaching the Skins he's coaching the Skins.
For all you guys jumping ship are you going back to the teams to ran to when we had S.O.S? If so stay there, it seems we are stuck with "the Danny" and Vinny so save on the fare and just get one way tickets.
As it stands we have no coach and anyone would be better than letting Vinny and "the Danny" call the shots.
For the record GW has still had more interviews than any other canidate

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:13 pm
by SkinsJock
Unlike baseball the NFL is not based on statistics - Baseball is a game that basically comes down to a pitcher against a hitter in the NFL success is based more on the match-ups of teams, players and the execution.
As an Australian I enjoy all US sports but I find it amusing when stats are used to determine teams chances in the NFL when stats are only meaningful in baseball.
Unlike in baseball where a player or a manager's performance is almost defined by what he did - in the NFL. the next HC of the Washington Redskins' success will be determined by what he achieves on the field with his players and coaches and not by what he has done or is likely to do based on stats

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:15 pm
by 1fan4ramsey
1niksder wrote:Mursilis wrote:Seriously, most football fans are dumb as bricks. Who cares what they think? I'm not saying Jim Fassel is definitely going to be a success here, but he's got a .522 win percentage as a pro head coach, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out.
He's no JJG
He coached the Gints and the Ratbirds.
If he's coaching the Skins he's coaching the Skins.
For all you guys jumping ship are you going back to the teams to ran to when we had S.O.S? If so stay there, it seems we are stuck with "the Danny" and Vinny so save on the fare and just get one way tickets.
As it stands we have no coach and anyone would be better than letting Vinny and "the Danny" call the shots.
For the record GW has still had more interviews than any other canidate

Look, I do not agree with how this is being handled, it is old school Snyder, Gibbs desk isn't even cleared out and he has reverted back to his old ways. The assistants on staff now are better qualified than the coaches he's bringing in, let alone the fact that this team does not need a total retool at this time. It is truely mind boggling that he's taken this direction.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:22 am
by SkinsJock
As frustrating as the HC situation is - the number of threads about the same thing is a bonanza of information .... NOT
such a shame to make the staff here go through all that too

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:31 am
by spudstr04
The Redskins aren't expected to make a final decision on naming their next head coach until Thursday at the earliest.
ESPN is running with the idea that Jim Fassel is expected to be named head coach, but team officials are still meeting to mull over their options. Fassel remains the lead candidate, as owner Dan Snyder hasn't contacted Gregg Williams in a week since interviewing him four times earlier this month.
http://www.rotoworld.com
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:34 am
by SkinsFreak
With the coordinator positions in doubt, what appeared to be a certain scenario earlier in the day — Fassel, Zorn and Rex Ryan (defensive coordinator) taking over the Redskins — seemed less certain by nightfall.
Most reports this morning, including Lenny P. on Sportscenter (who hates the Skins and Snyder) is that most have jumped the gun regarding Fassel getting the job. Redskin officials came out late last night to clarify that no decision has been made. I believe the media really got carried away with this one.
JLC wrote:Williams met four times with Snyder for the position and had Gibbs's support, sources said, but some who have talked to Snyder said the owner is apprehensive about hiring him despite the support of players and coaches.
I don't know. Anyone could speculate that, based on the fact that Gregg hasn't been offered the job yet, but as secretive as we all know Snyder is, I just find it extremely hard to believe Dan would say anything to anyone, regarding apprehension of hiring Williams, who might leak that info to the media. I just don't buy it as fact.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:47 am
by BossHog
Stuffs tongue firmly into cheek...
... I'm shocked that the mainstream media don't know what's going on... they're usually so good.
As I said in another post, why this dog and pony act on the coaching situation would surprise people is beyond me. Snyder has managed to get EVERYONE talking about the Redskins' replacement... exactly what he wants... and 100% by design IMO.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:13 am
by SkinsJock
totally agree - what a screw up
This is just like that Holiday Inn commercial " ... when the best surprise, is no surprise"
BTW - I count 20 threads on the topic now - well done guys way to make it easy on everyone here!
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:14 am
by fleetus
IF Fassel really was the front runner at any given time, I would like to speculate that A BIG REASON for his strange resurrection into the coaching world might have been his "PLAN" to bring both Jim Zorn AND Rex Ryan as Coordinators. Now that Zorn's leash has been yanked back to Seattle with promises of more pay and repsonsibility and Ryans' leash will likely never be loosened, I bet Fassel is looking a little more like the re-tread candidate that he is. See I could do Adam Sphincter's job. Speculate, then claim it was an inside source at Redskins Park. (conjure up images of George Costanza sleeping under Danny's desk

)
My bet is Fassel IS NOT THE GUY ANYMORE.

And GW or Giants DC Spagnuolo will get a good shot at it after the SB.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:16 am
by SkinsFreak
JLC also wrote:Members of the staff who have spoken to Williams recently said he doubts he would get the job, because he has not heard from team officials since his last interview last week.
One other thought I had. Williams isn't stupid. With all these "league sources" out there, who always speak on the condition of anonymity, if Williams really did believe that, why haven't we heard that Gregg has contacted Jeff Fischer, or the Falcons, or the Jags, etc. about a job? Same with Saunders. I know they're still under contract here, but if they really thought they were going to be replaced, they'd have their agents on the phone. I would.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:18 am
by SkinsFreak
fleetus wrote:IF Fassel really was the front runner at any given time, I would like to speculate that A BIG REASON for his strange resurrection into the coaching world might have been his "PLAN" to bring both Jim Zorn AND Rex Ryan as Coordinators. Now that Zorn's leash has been yanked back to Seattle with promises of more pay and repsonsibility and Ryans' leash will likely never be loosened, I bet Fassel is looking a little more like the re-tread candidate that he is. See I could do Adam Sphincter's job. Speculate, then claim it was an inside source at Redskins Park. (conjure up images of George Costanza sleeping under Danny's desk

)
My bet is Fassel IS NOT THE GUY ANYMORE.

And GW or Giants DC Spagnuolo will get a good shot at it after the SB.

True.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:43 am
by DEHog
As a new HC wouldn't you want some say or input into who your DC and OC are going to be??
Snyder hiring coodinators before the HC is a bit scary to me.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:23 pm
by PulpExposure
DEHog wrote:As a new HC wouldn't you want some say or input into who your DC and OC are going to be??
Snyder hiring coodinators before the HC is a bit scary to me.
In one of the multitude of articles about Jim Zorn, it said he was well-liked and respected by both Fassel AND Williams. Maybe Snyder found an OC that both of his top choices wants?