Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:30 am
DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...
I stopped reading after that.
Clearly that is UNpossible.I stopped reading after that.
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I stopped reading after that.
Clearly that is UNpossible.Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:39 am
Chris Luva Luva wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...
I stopped reading after that.
So are you saying the NFL hasn't change the rules to favor the offense?
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:49 am
Snout wrote:The other thing I don't like is that he gives drafting priority to the secondary and not to the DL (Taylor, Rogers, Landry). Then with all that first round talent he played a 2 deep zone. I think it is no accident that the defensive unit was playing its best football in crunch time this year when two of those players were out. That is not a criticism of the players -- I think Williams gets too conservative when he has too much talent in the secondary. Personally I would rather have a defense that controls the line of scrimmage because that is what usually wins in the NFC East.
I really think this is a false statement. Before Rogers got hurt and ST was hurt/murdered, the defense was handling it's business. With the Rogers/Smoot/Springs trio in the 2ndary and Taylor playing center field/Landry playing up, the defense was handling business. Who would know that we had two free safeties we did in ST (RIP) and Landry??!?? Granted, we need to get a dominating D-Line guy, but I don't think you can fault GW and the FO for drafting who they've drafted. The only draft choice that I worry about, honestly, is Rocky. He had knee problems in college, so I think his shelf life is considerably shortened, which is why he didn't go higher in the draft.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:55 am
DEHog wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...
I stopped reading after that.
So are you saying the NFL hasn't change the rules to favor the offense?
I think he's saying he don't like the show.
I know I don't like the show.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:57 am
DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...he said the Skins should make AS the coach becuase this is a league about offense know. Hard to argue that logic.
Easy refutation: the coaches of the 4 best teams in the league: Belichek, Dungy, Del Rio and Phillips; are all from the defensive side of the ball.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:08 am
PulpExposure wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...he said the Skins should make AS the coach becuase this is a league about offense know. Hard to argue that logic.
Easy refutation: the coaches of the 4 best teams in the league: Belichek, Dungy, Del Rio and Phillips; are all from the defensive side of the ball.
Yet set records on Offense
Dungy was a QB in college
Not sure about that logic...explain Ditka and Belick having great D's???
and for the record...never watched the show entirely..was channel surfing
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:21 am
Isn't it still the opinion of many in the industry that defense wins championships? I know the Pat's and the Colts have great offenses, but they have solid defenses as well.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:32 am
SkinsFreak wrote:Isn't it still the opinion of many in the industry that defense wins championships? I know the Pat's and the Colts have great offenses, but they have solid defenses as well.
I agree my point was that the league has changed the rules to aid the offense.
I'm on record that I want GW as coach. I really think it doesn't matter if your HC is from the O or D as much as they know how to manage players...that why you hire O/D coordinators.
I just thought it was an interesting point....I'm on record as saying I want GW as coach...that has nothing to do with him being an D mined coach...I want AS to stay as well...I think they are both qualified I just think Williams desreves the nod.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:35 am
DEHog wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:Isn't it still the opinion of many in the industry that defense wins championships? I know the Pat's and the Colts have great offenses, but they have solid defenses as well.
I agree my point was that the league has changed the rules to aid the offense.
I'm on record that I want GW as coach. I really think it doesn't matter if your HC is from the O or D as much as they know how to manage players...that why you hire O/D coordinators.
I just thought it was an interesting point....I'm on record as saying I want GW as coach...that has nothing to do with him being an D mined coach...I want AS to stay as well...I think they are both qualified I just think Williams desreves the nod.
Totally agree.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:41 am
DEHog wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...
I stopped reading after that.
So are you saying the NFL hasn't change the rules to favor the offense?
I pledged to never watch that terrible show again.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:44 am
Chris Luva Luva wrote:DEHog wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...
I stopped reading after that.
So are you saying the NFL hasn't change the rules to favor the offense?
I pledged to never watch that terrible show again. :lol
Why is it really that bad?? Do I need to wacth it???
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:56 am
DEHog wrote:PulpExposure wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...he said the Skins should make AS the coach becuase this is a league about offense know. Hard to argue that logic.
Easy refutation: the coaches of the 4 best teams in the league: Belichek, Dungy, Del Rio and Phillips; are all from the defensive side of the ball.
Yet set records on Offense
You're missing the unspoken subpoint.
I'll spell it out for you.
He's saying to succeed nowadays, you need a great offense. Therefore, according to nimwit, to have a great offense, you need an offensive-minded head coach.
My point is that's bunk. The top 4 teams have coaches who were defensive coaches, BUT they still manage to field a team with good offenses.
My point in essence: You don't need your head coach to come from an offensive background, to have a great offense.
My secondary point: Jamie Dukes is an idiot.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:08 pm
DEHog wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:Isn't it still the opinion of many in the industry that defense wins championships? I know the Pat's and the Colts have great offenses, but they have solid defenses as well.
I agree my point was that the league has changed the rules to aid the offense.
I'm on record that I want GW as coach. I really think it doesn't matter if your HC is from the O or D as much as they know how to manage players...that why you hire O/D coordinators.
I just thought it was an interesting point....I'm on record as saying I want GW as coach...that has nothing to do with him being an D mined coach...I want AS to stay as well...I think they are both qualified I just think Williams desreves the nod.
I think we are going to find out - I'm pretty sure Snyder will make Williams the HC and persuade Saunders to stay as well as any others that want to and fit the needs of Snyder (with an assist from Gibbs) and the team he wants on the field next year
When Williams' team does well next year - the majority of the credit should go to Joe Gibbs for setting us up as he has done
Saunders offense can set team records next year and that credit should also be given to Gibbs for leaving things in place for these guys to take advantage of.
Joe Gibbs decided to leave because he has some family issues he wants to be sure he is there for AND because he sees the potential of the team he has assembled and he knows that it will continue to get better without him. Joe Gibbs would never leave if this team really needed him.
BTW SkinsFreak - I think the defenses of both the Colts and Pats are really very good this year (2 of the best in the NFL) - I'm kind of hoping though the Pats guys are a little older and will not be as efective as they have been in the next 2 games.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:12 pm
PulpExposure wrote:He's saying to succeed nowadays, you need a great offense. Therefore, according to nimwit, to have a great offense, you need an offensive-minded head coach.
My point is that's bunk. The top 4 teams have coaches who were defensive coaches, BUT they still manage to field a team with good offenses.
My point in essence: You don't need your head coach to come from an offensive background, to have a great offense.
It's to a point where you have co-head coaches -- one for offense, one for defense -- but only one carries the HC title.
In function, the HC is a coordinator with additional organizational and game-decision duties while all but ignoring the other side of the ball.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:26 pm
When Williams' team does well next year - the majority of the credit should go to Joe Gibbs for setting us up as he has done Saunders offense can set team records next year and that credit should also be given to Gibbs for leaving things in place for these guys to take advantage of.
I would also be the first to give Snyder credit as well. I've been very critical of him. If he names GW coach, I will concede that he has indeed learned a little from Gibbs as for patients that depends on how long of a lesh he gives GW...I say give him a three year deal. That would give the cureent system (starting with AS at the helm of the O) a full 5 years to succeed.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:29 pm
PulpExposure wrote:DEHog wrote:PulpExposure wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...he said the Skins should make AS the coach becuase this is a league about offense know. Hard to argue that logic.
Easy refutation: the coaches of the 4 best teams in the league: Belichek, Dungy, Del Rio and Phillips; are all from the defensive side of the ball.
Yet set records on Offense
You're missing the unspoken subpoint.
I'll spell it out for you.
He's saying to succeed nowadays, you need a great offense. Therefore, according to nimwit, to have a great offense, you need an offensive-minded head coach.
My point is that's bunk. The top 4 teams have coaches who were defensive coaches, BUT they still manage to field a team with good offenses.
My point in essence: You don't need your head coach to come from an offensive background, to have a great offense.
My secondary point: Jamie Dukes is an idiot.
Agreed..I guess I took it more that if the Skins hire GW they will lose AS??
If that were the case who would you rather keep??
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:36 pm
DEHog wrote:PulpExposure wrote:DEHog wrote:PulpExposure wrote:DEHog wrote:Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...he said the Skins should make AS the coach becuase this is a league about offense know. Hard to argue that logic.
Easy refutation: the coaches of the 4 best teams in the league: Belichek, Dungy, Del Rio and Phillips; are all from the defensive side of the ball.
Yet set records on Offense
You're missing the unspoken subpoint.
I'll spell it out for you.
He's saying to succeed nowadays, you need a great offense. Therefore, according to nimwit, to have a great offense, you need an offensive-minded head coach.
My point is that's bunk. The top 4 teams have coaches who were defensive coaches, BUT they still manage to field a team with good offenses.
My point in essence: You don't need your head coach to come from an offensive background, to have a great offense.
My secondary point: Jamie Dukes is an idiot.
Agreed..I guess I took it more that if the Skins hire GW they will lose AS??
If that were the case who would you rather keep??
GW. We've had success with his system. AS' system still hasn't worked too well here imho.
Plus I hate the whole concentration on the horizontal aspect of his offense.
Edit: But I'd rather have him around than learn another damned system
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:36 pm
I've heard it reported that Saunders has no real interest in being a head coach again, and would be happy to remain on offensive coordinator. I'm not sure how true that is, but it appears possible we could have GW as HC, with AS sticking around as OC.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:41 pm
Ditka!
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:43 pm
Mursilis wrote:I've heard it reported that Saunders has no real interest in being a head coach again, and would be happy to remain on offensive coordinator. I'm not sure how true that is, but it appears possible we could have GW as HC, with AS sticking around as OC.
I think you are right about that - you just reminded me of something to that effect when he first came here and we were just getting excited about having this guy work with Gibbs - he indicated something like that then.
We of course do not know how Williams will feel about this but it surely stands to reason that he will want to try and keep anyone that will help him be successful here and I think these guys can get it done.
I just think that Snyder is going to try and not rock the boat or try and do something splashy here - at least not just yet
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:36 pm
Redskins to Meet With Jim Schwartz
Jim Schwartz, who replaced Gregg Williams as the leader of the Tennessee Titans defense, has been identified as a candidate for the Redskins coaching vacancy, league sources said, and is expected to interview for the position this week, possibly as soon as today.
Schwartz is a Baltimore native who recently interviewed for the Atlanta job as well (some believe he is a strong candidate for that job). Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner. Williams actually helped break in Schwartz as a young coach on Jeff Fisher's staff.
Schwartz has annually had a strong defense with the Titans and began his career in the Cleveland/Baltimore organization. He comes from the same coaching family as Williams, and thus runs a similar system.
Bill Cowher, a CBS analyst, has continued to tell associates that he has no plans to end his two-year hiatus. Some league sources have suggested Seattle defensive backs coach Jim Mora, a former head coach in Atlanta, as a possibility for the Redskins as well at some point, but the Seahwaks are still in the playoffs and he can not be contacted at this time.
Other available coaches with prior head coaching experience include Brian BIllick and Marty Schottenheimer, but the Redskins are not expected to go that route at this point, though things could change. Williams is seen as the top in house candidate, but sources who have been in contact with members of Washington's existing coaching staff say that none of those coaches has been given any indication that they are in line for the opening at this point.
The agent for one of Washington's coaches said that he believes that the Redskins would have given the staff some hint by now that the top candidate is already within the building by now if that were the case.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:14 pm
CanesSkins26 wrote:If it comes down to a desire for continuity, then the choice obviously comes down to Saunders or Williams. Saunders came through the door at Redskins park after Williams, and hasn't produced an offence anywhere near as effective as Williams' defences. Williams has also now demonstrated an ability to rebuild after the disaster that was the 2006 season. And he also expertly managed the defence after the loss of Taylor, around which the whole scheme seemed to have been designed. Those last two points demonstrate an ability to learn from mistakes, and to manage through adversity - two traits that are just vital in the NFL today. I think he's learned a little from Gibbs in that respect
To be fair to Saunders, he has never been given the type of free reign here that Williams was given with his offense. Nobody can honestly say that we have seen Saunders' full system because the offense that we ran the past 2 seasons had Gibbs' fingerprints all over it. Add in the fact that Saunders was saddled with Brunell and then had to bring along an inexperienced qb, deal with Lloyd, and a banged up offensive line and I think that he has done a remarkable job. He also hasn't had the types of problems with players (i.e. Lavar, Archuletta) that Williams has had. So while he probably isn't a likely candidate (doubt he wants the job and I doubt Snyder wants to give it to him), it isn't exactly fair to say that he hasn't done as good of a job as Williams. Even though I would prefer not to have Williams are the head coach, the idea of Al staying here as the OC makes the much less opposed to the GW hire.
I wouldn't argue with your point, which is why I said this:
Saunders has not shown us any of that yet, although I will concede that may not be entirely down to him - with Gibbs out of the picture, we may now be able to see the full extent of the Saunders offence unleashed. But we haven't seen enough from Saunders in Washington yet, to conclude that he's the right man for the head coaching job.
On the face of it, not giving the job to Williams is likely to cause more disruption, and greater turnover of both coaches and players. Then again, if Williams gets the job, perhaps we then find out that he really doesn't rate Saunders, and cans him together with the rest of the offensive staff (those that don't leave anyway).
And then you hit me with the Jim Schwartz curveball. At first glance, this is silly. But then again, with Schwartz running a similar system in Tennessee, there would be a chance of continuity, particularly if Gray was moved up to D-coordinator, and the rest of the defensive staff remains intact - although we might expect Blache to leave, because he might be miffed at not getting the coordinator's job.
And another factor is this one: does Dan Snyder actually like Gregg Wiliiams? No doubt, he rates him highly as a coach, but I don't see him hiring a head coach if he doesn't feel like he can walk into his office at any time for a friendly chat. I have no idea how they get on personally, but it may be a factor.
I still think Williams is the man, but Schwartz is certainly a better idea than Rex Ryan. Or Brian Billick. Or Jim Mora.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:37 pm
If Williams does that, then I'm not sure I can blame him... Too many times has his defense gotten the opposing team on the ropes and the offense let's them off the hook. But I think he'll keep everything intact for a year befroe chopping heads. That is of course, if he gets the job....
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:28 pm
We need someone with the "offensive" mind.... Who can that be? Gregg is great with the D. Sanders is great with the O.
Dare we say Pete Carroll? I would not put this past the Danny.
He wants to WIN and Carroll has been a winner at USC. And, he's a players coach.
Dare we say Pete Carroll? I would not put this past the Danny.
He wants to WIN and Carroll has been a winner at USC. And, he's a players coach.
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:37 pm
CanesSkins26 wrote:Redskins to Meet With Jim Schwartz
Jim Schwartz, who replaced Gregg Williams as the leader of the Tennessee Titans defense, has been identified as a candidate for the Redskins coaching vacancy, league sources said, and is expected to interview for the position this week, possibly as soon as today.
Schwartz is a Baltimore native who recently interviewed for the Atlanta job as well (some believe he is a strong candidate for that job). Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner. Williams actually helped break in Schwartz as a young coach on Jeff Fisher's staff.
Schwartz has annually had a strong defense with the Titans and began his career in the Cleveland/Baltimore organization. He comes from the same coaching family as Williams, and thus runs a similar system.
Bill Cowher, a CBS analyst, has continued to tell associates that he has no plans to end his two-year hiatus. Some league sources have suggested Seattle defensive backs coach Jim Mora, a former head coach in Atlanta, as a possibility for the Redskins as well at some point, but the Seahwaks are still in the playoffs and he can not be contacted at this time.
Other available coaches with prior head coaching experience include Brian BIllick and Marty Schottenheimer, but the Redskins are not expected to go that route at this point, though things could change. Williams is seen as the top in house candidate, but sources who have been in contact with members of Washington's existing coaching staff say that none of those coaches has been given any indication that they are in line for the opening at this point.
The agent for one of Washington's coaches said that he believes that the Redskins would have given the staff some hint by now that the top candidate is already within the building by now if that were the case.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
Schwartz "Frontrunner" for Skins Job <---Click Link for article
Who is this guy?
NFL Season: 13th
Years With The Titans: 7
College: Georgetown
Jim Schwartz enters his eighth season with the Titans and sixth as defensive coordinator. Last year Tennessee fielded one of the youngest defenses in the league with starters averaging only 3.5 years of experience, including starting two rookie corners for only the second time in the franchise’s 46-year history. The defense still had plenty to boast about, ranking eighth in the NFL in third down defense (35.5%), ninth in sacks (41) and second in three and outs (31.3%).
In 2004, the team dealt with a slew of injuries on the defensive-side of the ball with eight regular contributors missing significant time during the season. Four of the Titans top five secondary players and three of the top four linebackers failed to make it through the season because of injury. The Titans still managed to rank seventh in the league in third-down defense, allowing only a 33.3% conversion rate on third down. They also ranked 11th in total defense after 12 weeks only to see the injuries mount and end the season ranked 27th.
In 2003, Schwartz directed a defense that ranked first in the NFL in rushing defense for only the second time in franchise history (1993). Tennessee’s ferocious play against the run extended a streak of nine consecutive seasons in the Top 10 for rushing defense, which led the NFL. Currently, the Titans defense has allowed only four 100-yard rushers in the last 45 home games.
That top ranking in rushing defense didn’t come easily in 2003, as the Titans faced eight (for a total of 10 games) of the NFL’s top 13 rushers who accounted for 12,018 yards. The highlight of the season was holding 2,000-yard rusher Jamal Lewis to 35 yards in the Wild Card game at Baltimore, his second lowest total as a starter.
In addition to leading the NFL in rushing defense in 2003, the Titans also led the league in third down defense at 27.7%. The conversion rate was the lowest in franchise history and the lowest by an NFL team since the 1998 Oakland Raiders (26.3%).
The 2003 edition of the Titans defense yielded a number of accolades and successes beyond the rushing defense, including: ranking fourth in the AFC in "red zone" defense (43.9%), fifth in the AFC in takeaways with 34 and recording the most interceptions (21) by a Titans defense since 1995.
In 2002, the Titans defense finished in the league’s top 10 in total defense, despite a number of obstacles, including the loss of All-Pro DE Jevon Kearse due to injury and the addition of six new starters on defense. The Titans defense came together after the fifth game of the season and finished with the third best defense in the league over the final 11 contests. Including all 16 games, Tennessee’s defense finished 5th in the league in scoring defense (282 points scored with the defense on the field).
Schwartz was elevated from linebackers coach to defensive coordinator in January of 2001. In addition to coaching the linebackers in 2000, he also coordinated the team’s third-down package, which led the NFL in third-down efficiency, with opponents converting only 30.8% (68/221) of their third-down chances. Schwartz also was instrumental in the integration of newly acquired LB Randall Godfrey into the Titans defensive scheme, as he set career highs in tackles (169) and interceptions (2). Schwartz originally joined the Titans coaching staff in 1999 as defensive assistant/quality control.
Prior to joining the Titans, Schwartz spent three years as an assistant/quality control coach with the Baltimore Ravens. While in Baltimore, Schwartz also coached the Ravens' outside linebackers. Prior to the Browns moving to Baltimore, he spent three years in the Cleveland Browns' personnel department, serving as both a college and pro scout. He also assisted the defensive coaching staff with film breakdowns and scouting reports. Schwartz began his coaching career as a graduate assistant coach at the University of Maryland, tutoring the Terrapins' linebackers from 1989-90 and then served as graduate assistant at the University of Minnesota (1990-91). He became a position coach in the secondary at North Carolina Central (1991-92) before moving to Colgate (1992) as linebackers coach.
A native of Baltimore, Md. (6/2/66), Schwartz was a four-year letterman at linebacker for the Hoyas of Georgetown University, where he earned his degree in Economics. He also received Distinguished Economics Graduate honors at Georgetown and earned numerous honors in 1988, including Division III CoSIDA/GTE Academic All-America, All-America, and team captain.
An avid chess player, Jim and his wife, Kathy, reside in Brentwood, Tenn., with twins Christian (5) and Alison (5) and Maria (3).
