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i still think boonell should start

TincoSkin wrote:i still think boonell should start

Irn-Bru wrote:I am personally hoping that Brunell retires so that his contract magically disappears. He would make a great #3 (or, I think, even a #2), but he makes far too much money for that role—and he's expendable.

It'd be nice if his contract magically disappeared - but it doesn't - wouldn't - won't - if he retires, it will just accelerate his signing bonus money forward to that year as if he were cut or traded.

So in actuality, since Brunell is still owed $3M in bonus money, that's how much it would cost us if he retired.

Since he's scheduled to earn about $6.5M, it would still be savings of $3M off what he's SCHEDULED to cost.

If it happened after June 1st, then we'd be on the hook for $1.5M in 2008, and $1.5M in 2009 in dead cap. (So we'd save about $5M off of is 2008 scheduled number).

There are instances when a team can gain relief in the signing bonus money a la the Barry Sanders clause - but this situation most certainly does not qualify and the Redskins wouldn't even think of contesting the amount. The team basically has to prove that the player fraudulently agreed to a long-term contract that THEY had no intention of keeping.

Other than that though, you just eat the remaining bonus money - as I always try to impress upon people - whether the signing bonus money gets spread out over the term on the contract or not... the bonus is a SIGNING BONUS - the FULL amount is usually PAID at the time of signing - the rest is just fancy paperwork to circumvent the cap rules.

At least that's my uneducated opinion of the situation.

BossHog wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I am personally hoping that Brunell retires so that his contract magically disappears. He would make a great #3 (or, I think, even a #2), but he makes far too much money for that role—and he's expendable.

It'd be nice if his contract magically disappeared - but it doesn't - wouldn't - won't - if he retires, it will just accelerate his signing bonus money forward to that year as if he were cut or traded.

So in actuality, since Brunell is still owed $3M in bonus money, that's how much it would cost us if he retired.

Since he's scheduled to earn about $6.5M, it would still be savings of $3M off what he's SCHEDULED to cost.

If it happened after June 1st, then we'd be on the hook for $1.5M in 2008, and $1.5M in 2009 in dead cap. (So we'd save about $5M off of is 2008 scheduled number).

There are instances when a team can gain relief in the signing bonus money a la the Barry Sanders clause - but this situation most certainly does not qualify and the Redskins wouldn't even think of contesting the amount. The team basically has to prove that the player fraudulently agreed to a long-term contract that THEY had no intention of keeping.

Other than that though, you just eat the remaining bonus money - as I always try to impress upon people - whether the signing bonus money gets spread out over the term on the contract or not... the bonus is a SIGNING BONUS - the FULL amount is usually PAID at the time of signing - the rest is just fancy paperwork to circumvent the cap rules.

At least that's my uneducated opinion of the situation.

Good LORD, BH, how in the HELL do you know this stuff? Are you like a Salary Cap Attorney or something? Are you the NFL's Salary Cap Guru? What gives?

crazyhorse1 wrote:

kaz wrote:Clearly he's PART of those deserving credit though.

Nothing absurd about it. He's the previously missing incredient, the guy who can run the offense to its potential. He's also extremely talented-- talent being a matter of eyes and brains, as well as arm. He has an almost uncanny ability to spot open receivers and deliver the ball with impeccable timing. As long as the line holds, he'll complete passes.

It doesn't bother me at all that a succession of coaches kept him on the bench. Pro football is littered with personnel goofs. Unitas was almost a casualty of his physical appearance and less than impressive spirals. We've dumped real stars, as has every other NFL team, as well as discovered gems in mud. Truth is, it's extremely difficult to evaluate footbal talent, much more so than it is to evaluate talent in other sports.

Collins is hitting everything, which open up every thing else on offense. It's not a case of things coming together as it is as finding an ignition key so that things can work together.

I didn't knock Collins and I gave him credit. I'm just also saying:

- The D in improving despite losing half our secondary, AC keeps getting better, Marcus and the DL are healthier.

- The O line is improving considering we have 2 of our starters from last year playing

- We have our receivers back while for awhile we had none.

- The team has come together after the ST tragedy.

- JC had us at 500 and on the cusp of winning every game but NE, including in Dallas and Green Bay. He also made young player mistakes. Collins has made fewer. Collins also doesn't have JC's arm. JC's going to be a great QB in this league.

I stand by that say Collins is THE reason we are doing better is absurd. I also stand by that he deserves credit for stepping in and delivering. So you really think it's just him? That was my only point. To say it's JUST him is absurd. You don't see any other reasons we're winning now? It's just TC?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I stand by that say Collins is THE reason we are doing better is absurd. I also stand by that he deserves credit for stepping in and delivering. So you really think it's just him? That was my only point. To say it's JUST him is absurd. You don't see any other reasons we're winning now? It's just TC?

Id have to say that he is the biggest reason....

The offense took a step forward when Jason took over, I gave Jason all the credit in the world for getting 8 men out of the box. I stated that his ability and will to stretch the field opened lanes for Betts and Portis.

Collins is able to do what JC can and more. He's taken the passing game to another level...well a more consistent level. I believe that he's a huge reason why we're winning.... THe lack of turnovers is a huge stat that kinda proves that. Collins fumbles when hit too, but his knowledge of the system allows him to get the ball away quicker than JC in those situations.

Im still a huge JC fan but like I gave JC credit, I think TC deseerves his.

JPFair wrote:Good LORD, BH, how in the HELL do you know this stuff? Are you like a Salary Cap Attorney or something? Are you the NFL's Salary Cap Guru? What gives?

Most of what I know comes from just reading the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Believe it or not, everything you need to know is in there - somewhere - it's just not always easy to find.

A lot of it is in legalese it seems but I trudge through it anyway. I'm certainly no lawyer, (but my mom did always tell me that I should be with how much I like to argue. )

I guess the main reason that I try to stay so afloat of all things cap is that I think that it's an incredibly important part of the modern NFL. I also think that it's easily the most misunderstood, MISREPORTED facet of the game - so I figure it's a service to try and educate people when the mainstream media do a bad job.

What about Jordan Palmer? Does anyone think he is a project worth working on? He could be a pretty good # 3 option, if given time to study and acclimate himself to Saunders system. Look at Rothlesberger. In his first year starting he went undefeated and led the Steelers to a Superbowl. I do not think Palmer will be that good but he could be a suitable back up. Plus we already have him here and could be very affordable.

That is just my two cents, however.