The Giants are SO stupid

[SkinsJock]

.... and I bought toilet paper at a specialty shop with a maple leaf on every square. I'll think of you every time I use it.

you really have a lot of problems

[Redskin in Canada]

you really have a lot of problems

No, he just has a bit of diarrhea.

[BossHog]

- "Welcome" to Canada, America's Doormat
- All my parents did was go to Canada, but I got this T-Shirt!
- Directions to Canada: Go to America and turn Left
- Canada: From Sea to Whining Sea

Oh, and I bought toilet paper at a specialty shop with a maple leaf on every square. I'll think of you every time I use it.

Don't give up your day job, your bumper stickers suck as hard as the American dollar does right now.

Most of us live in Canada so that we won't have to live in the US - it's a choice that we're all proud to make. Thanks for pointing out your bigoted view of our inadequacies though... it's a particularly endearing trait in many Americans.

By the way, were those Maple Leafs on the TP red or blue? If they're blue... with the way my Toronto Maple Leafs are playing, I could use a few squares.

[Redskin in Canada]

By the way, were those Maple Leafs on the TP red or blue? If they're blue... with the way my Toronto Maple Leafs are playing, I could use a few squares.

You know I had no expectations on my team this year. Yet, miraculously, they are in second place. They will go nowhere in theplayoffs but they might get there.

I saw the mess about the Leafs GM on a plane coming back and I thought about a certain fan of two teams in different sports witnessing their self-destruction as close to home as it can get. Proof that money can be a curse when it is poorly managed.

The Skins and the Leafs are proud franchises with true hard core followings. All they need is new owners who hire good managers. Easy for me to say but a hell of a task to accomplish though.

[KazooSkinsFan]

.... and I bought toilet paper at a specialty shop with a maple leaf on every square. I'll think of you every time I use it.

you really have a lot of problems

There are no problems, only opportunities.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Don't give up your day job, your bumper stickers suck as hard as the American dollar does right now.

This site is a great diversion from my day job. It's nice to be able to debate the Skins, other subjects and not have to be so proper about it all the time. I have no comeback on the dollar, it does suck and it's our own fault for our growing infatuation with government solving our problems (badly) and everyone else's (badly, like in Iraq).

Most of us live in Canada so that we won't have to live in the US - it's a choice that we're all proud to make. Thanks for pointing out your bigoted view of our inadequacies though... it's a particularly endearing trait in many Americans.

This does raise a question. If you're just busting on me because I'm busting on Canada that works, but I'm going to ask a serious question anyway. In WWII Japanese mothers jumped off cliffs because they were told Americans ate babies. RIC's been consistently describing us the same way, or as red with horns or as Nazis. I never saw you utter a word that as a fellow Canadian demagoguery's maybe not productive.

In my case I even say I'm not serious and you blast away. Again if you're just doing that as banter it's fine. But I have to ask because I actually do travel to Canada on business and vacation and while Canadians are very personally polite, when I see things like booing the American flag or anthem I never see other Canadians saying that's inappropriate. Maybe they do, but if Americans started booing the Canadian flag or Anthem over policy differences I would totally be offended by that.

By the way, were those Maple Leafs on the TP red or blue? If they're blue... with the way my Toronto Maple Leafs are playing, I could use a few squares.

I'm a Red Wing fan. We're doing great now obviously, but lately our trend has been to choke in the playoffs. So I may need to save some squares for later.

[BossHog]

This does raise a question. If you're just busting on me because I'm busting on Canada that works, but I'm going to ask a serious question anyway. In WWII Japanese mothers jumped off cliffs because they were told Americans ate babies. RIC's been consistently describing us the same way, or as red with horns or as Nazis. I never saw you utter a word that as a fellow Canadian demagoguery's maybe not productive.

In my case I even say I'm not serious and you blast away. Again if you're just doing that as banter it's fine. But I have to ask because I actually do travel to Canada on business and vacation and while Canadians are very personally polite, when I see things like booing the American flag or anthem I never see other Canadians saying that's inappropriate. Maybe they do, but if Americans started booing the Canadian flag or Anthem over policy differences I would totally be offended by that.

Blast away? I'm not the one throwing out useless innuendos designed to mock an entire nation.

This has to be a joke... an American pointing to ways some country disses them? You're kidding right?

As for the booing, you must mean incidents like this:

The last time the NHL had an anthem-booing showdown, at least the fiestiness was fueled by the hatred of the postseason. New York fans booed the Canadian anthem before Games 3 and 4 of last year's epic first-round series with Toronto. The Leafs fans responded by cheering the American anthem before Game 5 at Air Canada Centre. Kill 'em with kindness.

San Jose Sharks fans booed the Edmonton Oilers in the 2006 playoffs... there have actually been dozens and dozens of incidents. The only Canadian team that I know were guilty of the same tasteless act were the Montreal Canadiens - and they're French Canadians - they want to be their own country - they've been known to boo the Canadian national anthem (they think they're French!)... and the booing incident came less than 24 hours after 200,000 Montrealers showed up for an anti-war rally - it was a politically sensitive time. Some American teams have carried it on for 3 years following... so much so that NHL organizations and the league had to step in and try and intervene.

I know it's a lot easier to blame every mad cow breakout you have on Canada... blame massive power outages on us... hey, anything you can to deflect attention away from yourselves... but it doesn't bring any real validity to it. So you'll have to forgive me if I find your opinion to be little more than an extension of the propaganda that you are served on a daily basis.

You keep hating on my country, and I'll keep on feeling sorry for yours. Keep on killing all of those kids and destroying your economy... the rest of us are laughing all the way to the bank. If you think that a country that would re-elect GW is anything more than a carnival freak show to the rest of the globe - you're kidding yourself. Most of us are just shaking our heads and thinking how quickly the mighty have fallen. That isn't meant to be coy, it's truly sad to watch such a strong nation continue to make mistakes that they'll be paying for, for an entire generation. There used to be a real draw to the American way of life, especially if you had Capitalist spirit... now, I personally think that there are much better places for an English speaking person to hang their hat.

We'll keep being a 'doormat' and 'whining from sea to sea' if that's what you think makes us different. Because at the end of the day, we couldn't be more proud of how different we are, and that the things that make us different are growing, and not shrinking.

[BossHog]

You know I had no expectations on my team this year. Yet, miraculously, they are in second place. They will go nowhere in theplayoffs but they might get there.

Your team will always suck.

They're playing well but I think lack of depth will be a real issue down the backstretch. That, and the despicable way that Habs fans and media treat Koivu on a regular basis.

I saw the mess about the Leafs GM on a plane coming back and I thought about a certain fan of two teams in different sports witnessing their self-destruction as close to home as it can get

.

Similar but different too. Ferguson had to go, he wrote contracts that will take a minimum of 3 years to even rectify... he paralyzed this team for longer than he'll be around to endure. Poor Cliff Fletcher is walking into a nightmare and he doesn't even have the grace of knowing that the Leafs board of directors is behind him. Tannenbaum fought Fletcher's signing because he was also the one who fired him years ago.

Proof that money can be a curse when it is poorly managed.

And Ferguson is responsible for a ton of that mismanagement; hence the need to get rid of him before he did any more damage.

The Skins and the Leafs are proud franchises with true hard core followings. All they need is new owners who hire good managers. Easy for me to say but a hell of a task to accomplish though.

There are so many parallels that it's sickening. Bob McCowan does a traier for his Primetime Sports show and in it he says something to the effect of... 'When an organization is only concerned with making money, they will never field a winning product.'

Sound like anyone you know?

[KazooSkinsFan]

This does raise a question. If you're just busting on me because I'm busting on Canada that works, but I'm going to ask a serious question anyway. In WWII Japanese mothers jumped off cliffs because they were told Americans ate babies. RIC's been consistently describing us the same way, or as red with horns or as Nazis. I never saw you utter a word that as a fellow Canadian demagoguery's maybe not productive.

In my case I even say I'm not serious and you blast away. Again if you're just doing that as banter it's fine. But I have to ask because I actually do travel to Canada on business and vacation and while Canadians are very personally polite, when I see things like booing the American flag or anthem I never see other Canadians saying that's inappropriate. Maybe they do, but if Americans started booing the Canadian flag or Anthem over policy differences I would totally be offended by that.

Blast away? I'm not the one throwing out useless innuendos designed to mock an entire nation.

This has to be a joke... an American pointing to ways some country disses them? You're kidding right?

As for the booing, you must mean incidents like this:

The last time the NHL had an anthem-booing showdown, at least the fiestiness was fueled by the hatred of the postseason. New York fans booed the Canadian anthem before Games 3 and 4 of last year's epic first-round series with Toronto. The Leafs fans responded by cheering the American anthem before Game 5 at Air Canada Centre. Kill 'em with kindness.

San Jose Sharks fans booed the Edmonton Oilers in the 2006 playoffs... there have actually been dozens and dozens of incidents. The only Canadian team that I know were guilty of the same tasteless act were the Montreal Canadiens - and they're French Canadians - they want to be their own country - they've been known to boo the Canadian national anthem (they think they're French!)... and the booing incident came less than 24 hours after 200,000 Montrealers showed up for an anti-war rally - it was a politically sensitive time. Some American teams have carried it on for 3 years following... so much so that NHL organizations and the league had to step in and try and intervene.

I know it's a lot easier to blame every mad cow breakout you have on Canada... blame massive power outages on us... hey, anything you can to deflect attention away from yourselves... but it doesn't bring any real validity to it. So you'll have to forgive me if I find your opinion to be little more than an extension of the propaganda that you are served on a daily basis.

You keep hating on my country, and I'll keep on feeling sorry for yours. Keep on killing all of those kids and destroying your economy... the rest of us are laughing all the way to the bank. If you think that a country that would re-elect GW is anything more than a carnival freak show to the rest of the globe - you're kidding yourself. Most of us are just shaking our heads and thinking how quickly the mighty have fallen. That isn't meant to be coy, it's truly sad to watch such a strong nation continue to make mistakes that they'll be paying for, for an entire generation. There used to be a real draw to the American way of life, especially if you had Capitalist spirit... now, I personally think that there are much better places for an English speaking person to hang their hat.

We'll keep being a 'doormat' and 'whining from sea to sea' if that's what you think makes us different. Because at the end of the day, we couldn't be more proud of how different we are, and that the things that make us different are growing, and not shrinking.

OK, on the booing and stuff you make good points. I told you that was just a question. I haven't in fact heard it but I believe you, even though you're also the one who said they automatically call major penalties in hockey if players take their gloves off in fights too. Since you said that I've seen quite a few gloves come off and not a single major penalty. And for the record I condemn the actions of the aforementioned American Booers just as vehemently as the Canadians I heard.

But on this subject, here's what you don't address. Here's the history.

RIC: Americans have 6 fingers on each hand, they eat babies, they are all axe murderers
BossHog: {silence}
Kazoo: Are you serious? Have you ever BEEN to America?
RIC: It's all true, I'm serious as a heart attack
BossHog: {silence}
Kazoo: All right, so let's have fun slamming each other's country. Here's a bunch of made up stuff about Canada.
BossHog: Hold on there Kazoo, you're disparaging an entire country, that just isn't right.

Sure, good point there.

[Redskin in Canada]

But on this subject, here's what you don't address. Here's the history.

RIC: Americans have 6 fingers on each hand, they eat babies, they are all axe murderers
BossHog: {silence}
Kazoo: Are you serious? Have you ever BEEN to America?
RIC: It's all true, I'm serious as a heart attack
BossHog: {silence}
Kazoo: All right, so let's have fun slamming each other's country. Here's a bunch of made up stuff about Canada.
BossHog: Hold on there Kazoo, you're disparaging an entire country, that just isn't right.

Sure, good point there.

Interesting and very telling recap. It sounds to me more like:

Kazoo: The Giants are SO stupid.
RiC: No, they were not. It will rallied them into the playoffs.
Kazoo: The Giants are SO stupid.
RiC: (after a Giants' win) BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
Kazoo: The Giants are SO stupid
RiC: (after another Giants win) BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
Kazoo: You do not have to listen to me but just in case I will provoke RiC with an "attack on Canada and Canadians".
RiC: highlights the inability of Kazoo to acknowledge that he was wrong, diagnoses diarrhea in Kazoo and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

... then it got good about Hockey.

For the record, this thread does not contain a single anti-USA statement from me. All of my statements have highlighted the fact that -YOU- cannot acknowledge a mistake in judgment even when you have been proven wrong by the facts and the record.

So, you can go on and invent your own ghosts and fake arguments if you wish. All you have to go after is my THN nickname. Why don't you find another thread to formulate an intelligent argument against mine. Who knows? It might be fun. That is what a board is all about isn't it?

[Redskin in Canada]

The only Canadian team that I know were guilty of the same tasteless act were the Montreal Canadiens - and they're French Canadians - they want to be their own country - they've been known to boo the Canadian national anthem (they think they're French!)... and the booing incident came less than 24 hours after 200,000 Montrealers showed up for an anti-war rally - it was a politically sensitive time.

Excusez-moi mais je suis offensé.

Quebecers sont des Canadiens. Le Québec a voté pour rester au Canada. Et ce sont les Canadiens de Montréal, pas les français de Montréal.

Aucune autre équipe d'hockey n'exemplifie l'héritage anglais et français du Canada mieux que les Canadiens de Montréal.

Translation:

Excuse me but I am offended.

Quebecers are Canadians. Quebec voted to stay in Canada. And these are the Montreal Canadians, not the French from Montreal.

No other hockey team exemplifies the English and French heritage of Canada better than the Montreal Canadians.

GO HABS GO!!!

SHA NAH NAH NAH HEY HEY Good Bye !!!

[KazooSkinsFan]

The only Canadian team that I know were guilty of the same tasteless act were the Montreal Canadiens - and they're French Canadians - they want to be their own country - they've been known to boo the Canadian national anthem (they think they're French!)... and the booing incident came less than 24 hours after 200,000 Montrealers showed up for an anti-war rally - it was a politically sensitive time.

Excusez-moi mais je suis offensé.

Quebecers sont des Canadiens. Le Québec a voté pour rester au Canada. Et ce sont les Canadiens de Montréal, pas les français de Montréal.

Aucune autre équipe d'hockey n'exemplifie l'héritage anglais et français du Canada mieux que les Canadiens de Montréal.

Translation:

Excuse me but I am offended.

Quebecers are Canadians. Quebec voted to stay in Canada. And these are the Montreal Canadians, not the French from Montreal.

No other hockey team exemplifies the English and French heritage of Canada better than the Montreal Canadians.

GO HABS GO!!!

SHA NAH NAH NAH HEY HEY Good Bye !!!

OK Boss, I concede. I understand now why you didn't respond when RIC bashed America. Uncle, uncle!

And BTW, you were right. My recent trips have been to Montreal and Quebec City. I should have put that 2 and 2 together on my own.

[Redskin in Canada]

OK Boss, I concede. I understand now why you didn't respond when RIC bashed America. Uncle, uncle!

And BTW, you were right. My recent trips have been to Montreal and Quebec City. I should have put that 2 and 2 together on my own.

I am trying to contain my laughter. I am -really- trying.

[KazooSkinsFan]

And BTW, you were right. My recent trips have been to Montreal and Quebec City. I should have put that 2 and 2 together on my own.

I am trying to contain my laughter. I am -really- trying.

And that's interesting because....

[LOSTHOG]

I'm not sure how this changed from the Giants to WWIII, but having visited our neighbors to the north on several occasions I can honestly say there is absolutely nothing wrong with Canada. When i lived in ND we often visited Regina, which is an absolute crystal clean beautiful city, and Winnipeg, which has everything most of our cities have with about a tenth of the crackheads. Now that I'm in NC I don't get to go north as much, but about every 2 years I visit an old friend in Alexandria Bay NY and we always make a trip a little town of Kingston. We always have a blast. I can't say that I have ever had a bad experience in Canada. Bashing Canada because you were proven wrong on a topic is crazy.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Bashing Canada because you were proven wrong on a topic is crazy.

If you're going to join a discussion in flight, try to at least keep up. I've been bashing Canada with RIC because he endlessly bashes America. This is across forums, not just this one. I kept saying I was doing it for that reason. Turns out the issue was Quebec and not Canada. Boss Hog called that one right. My bad, I SHOULD have known. In the future I only plan to bash Quebec.

Now on your other point, walk me through the logic. How do the Giants going to the Super Bowl "prove" that I was wrong they should have rested their players? I already admitted they are not stupid. But how was I "proven" wrong?

[Fios]

Now on your other point, walk me through the logic. How do the Giants going to the Super Bowl "prove" that I was wrong they should have rested their players? I already admitted they are not stupid. But how was I "proven" wrong?

Um, what more proof do you need? You called it a stupid decision and implied, pretty directly, that said decision would have negative consequences. It didn't, thus, you were wrong.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Now on your other point, walk me through the logic. How do the Giants going to the Super Bowl "prove" that I was wrong they should have rested their players? I already admitted they are not stupid. But how was I "proven" wrong?

Um, what more proof do you need? You called it a stupid decision and implied, pretty directly, that said decision would have negative consequences. It didn't, thus, you were wrong.

BEFORE the game:

Win or lose I won't say I'm "right" or "wrong" in terms of resting their players for the reason there is in fact no possible proof either way. If they fall on their faces in Green Bay I will THINK I was right. If they play well in Green Bay win or lose I will admit that Coughlin is in fact not stupid, even though I still think he should have rested his players in week 16.

AFTER the game:

Congrats to the Giants on going to the Super Bowl. It was still a mistake. But I take back that the Giants ARE Stupid for obvious reasons and just say the Giants DID a stupid thing. They are in fact not stupid.

LostHog:

Bashing Canada because you were proven wrong on a topic is crazy.

So I said two things. The Giants are stupid and they made a mistake by not resting their players.

Regarding being stupid, I said I would admit I was wrong even if they played well against Green Bay and delivered. So the point in contention was they should have rested their players. I am not seeing how I was "proven" wrong on that unless you're saying he's still whining about something I already admitted I was wrong about. And that would beg the question why I would be bashing Canada because of something I already SAID I was wrong about.

[yupchagee]

You could be a little more secure then to need to not only have others on your side but to assume it's so and even speak for them declaring it so.

An exercise in good grammar and syntax worthy to be brought up to the attention of por-tiz2skins. Children please stay at school.

On the stuff of doing it the Kazoo way and stuff, I posted an opinion on a message board. So sue me. I never said anyone had to listen to me ...

Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.

Not if it's a day/date model

[welch]

On the two separate subjects in this one thread:

1. It's time to watch John Candy and Rhea Perlman in Canadian Bacon. Movie could be improved by some sharper editing between and in scenes, but it's right-on-the-money realistic, isn't it?

2. On the Giants, 'nuff said. The Times has a story today suggesting that the game gave the Giants the self-respect they needed to win the next games. Lets remember, nostalgically, that Joe Gibbs took the Redskins into Giants Stadium in a gale of rain, sleet, ice-pellets...and, as Joe Bugel would say, punched the Giants in the guts until they died. Coughlin was furious, because the Giants could have clinched. Now, we see a big change in the spirit of that team.

Getting Moral Victory Can Lead to Real One
By JOE LAPOINTE
GLENDALE, Ariz. — The term moral victory is not exclusive to sports. It has been used to describe everything from Al Gore’s disputed defeat in the presidential election of 2000 to the battle at the Alamo in 1836.

But the term is heard most often after athletic contests referring to the losing side of a close result against an opponent perceived as superior. The boxer Joe Frazier’s reputation was enhanced in 1975 when he lost his heavyweight title bout to the champion Muhammad Ali in the Thrilla in Manila. The same sort of fame came to John McEnroe after Bjorn Borg beat him for the 1980 Wimbledon title.

Phil Simms, the former Giants quarterback who is now a CBS announcer, said the term moral victory was “thrown out there probably way too much, like a lot of sports clichés.” But Simms said the Giants’ 38-35 loss to New England in late December was a legitimate example.

“I would say yes, that was a moral victory,” he said last week. “It gave them confidence to play the best team in the N.F.L.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/sport ... ref=sports

[Countertrey]

The Giants are SO stupid

17-14... Uh huh... stupid...

All the way to the bank.





WOW!

[flamethrower]

Stupid. HMmm Stupid but winner of the Super Bowl. And they did something that nobody else did this season. Beat the Patriots. Nuff Said. 17-14

[Jake]

I hope we're stupid in 08. If the offseason is any indication, we're starting off the right way.

[SkinsJock]

Congratulations on spoiling the Patriots season - great job!

but we are still better as we showed when we played in NY in week 15 - plus they get to keep their stupid coach and idiot QB

[Redskin in Canada]

I will not put salt in the wound. He already acknowledged (as well as he could) that he was wrong.

My reflection:

The Super Bowl Champion is that team which WE defeated at their HOME a few weeks ago. You are going to have a tough job convincing me that this story could not have written with burgundy and gold all over it.

See the importance of a really good DL?