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Worst season in terms of human tragedy, and I don't mean injuries.

Otherwise, this is not even close to "worst", and would count as "pretty good" any time from 1957 until Lombardi took over in 1969.

For the numbers:

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams ... /redskins/

Look at the scores. Look at the late '50's when GP Marshall was drafting only white players that he had read about in fan magazines, or the mid '60's when Otto Graham decided that fans didn't want to watch running or defense.

(That is, why did Toot shift Charley Taylor, one of the NFL's premier RB's, to WR? What happened to Paul Krause? Why was Sam Huff so angry when he was traded to the Redskins?)

Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

Worst team play? No way.

Welch --

You're talking about the worst teams according to talent or record and that's probably true -- I rate this year as one of the worst as we haven't played up to expectations...in fact, we've played way below our ability and to me that makes it more frustrating than just being a bad team with marginal players and losing -- as you should.

No one will argue with you that the Dolphin fans are experiencing a "worse" year than our Skins but I bet they resigned themselves (weeks ago) to not winning so therefore their expectations are much lower...causing less frustration.

In any event, this can all be fixed by winning out and getting the boys in the first round of the playoffs!!!

fredp45 wrote:In any event, this can all be fixed by winning out and getting the boys in the first round of the playoffs!!!

The Pies will have a bye in the first round, while we would have to play the #3 seed (assuming we get the #6 seed). If we win that game, then we would face the Pies in the 2nd round of the playoffs (assuming the Pies have the #1 seed).

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

And the Viking a couple of years ago who died during training camp.

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

And the Viking a couple of years ago who died during training camp.

Corey Stringer, is, I believe the Viking you are thinking of.

GSPODS wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

And the Viking a couple of years ago who died during training camp.

Corey Stringer, is, I believe the Viking you are thinking of.

Yes, that's the one.

JSPB22 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

And the Viking a couple of years ago who died during training camp.

Corey Stringer, is, I believe the Viking you are thinking of.

Yes, that's the one.

I also think I misspelled his name.

Fredp wrote

You're talking about the worst teams according to talent or record and that's probably true -- I rate this year as one of the worst as we haven't played up to expectations...in fact, we've played way below our ability and to me that makes it more frustrating than just being a bad team with marginal players and losing -- as you should.

There have been numerous under-performing Redskin teams.

Consider the season after SB 22.

The defending SB champions went 7-9 with nearly the same team. Doug Williams was in and out with injuries, replaced by Mark Rypien...who had Monk, Clark, and Sanders as WR's. Came down to last game, against the Boomer-Icky Woods Bengals. Redskins kicker (Lohmiller) bounced a last second kick -- from about the 20 -- off the upright. Bengals won, giving the Skins a losing season.

Personel changes? Dropped George Rogers for a SB hero Timmy Smith, dropped Clint Didier, added star LB Wilber Marshall. Same Hogs, plus Jim Lachey (swapped Schroeder for Lachey). Same all-time great DL: Mann, Manley, Grant, Butz. Same LB's plus Marshall. Same Posse WR's. Darrel Green and Barry Wilburn at CB.

Record:

1988 Washington Redskins

Regular Season
Week 1 Sep 5 L 27-2 at New York Giants
Week 2 Sep 11 W 30-29 vs Pittsburgh Steelers
Week 3 Sep 18 W 17-10 vs Philadelphia Eagles
Week 4 Sep 25 L 30-21 at Phoenix Cardinals
Week 5 Oct 2 L 24-23 vs New York Giants
Week 6 Oct 9 W 35-17 at Dallas Cowboys
Week 7 Oct 16 W 33-17 vs Phoenix Cardinals
Week 8 Oct 23 W 20-17 at Green Bay Packers at Milwaukee, WI
Week 9 Oct 30 L 41-17 at Houston Oilers
Week 10 Nov 6 W 27-24 vs New Orleans Saints
Week 11 Nov 13 L 34-14 vs Chicago Bears
Week 12 Nov 21 L 37-21 at San Francisco 49ers
Week 13 Nov 27 L 17-13 vs Cleveland Browns
Week 14 Dec 4 W 20-19 at Philadelphia Eagles
Week 15 Dec 11 L 24-17 vs Dallas Cowboys
Week 16 Dec 17 L 20-17 at Cincinnati Bengals (OT)

Started the season with a 27 - 2 loss to the Giants? Lost to the Cardinals? Lost to a weak Cowboys team?

This year's team started with about half the talent of that team. This team started thin, worked with an inexperienced QB, started with a weaker set of receivers. This team took injuries to whole right side of the OL.

I have a hunch that this year's team is over-achieving...playing above their talent.

welch wrote:I have a hunch that this year's team is over-achieving...playing above their talent.

Definitely. Saying that our team has underperformed for its talent level is just unrealistic.

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

Heart attack. It is my oldest specific NFL memory. I was watching the game with my father, it was shocking.

I'm only 24 but this has been easily the most painful Redskins season of my life.

We have endured key/severe injuries to our RT, RG, top WR, starting CB, starting OLB, and several important reserves. Now our starting QB appears to be out for the season.

On the field, we choked away games that we absolutely should've won against the Giants, Eagles, and Bills. All in the 4th quarter. All at home. We win ANY of those games and we're in 6th place with tiebreakers over the Lions and Cardinals.

We also lost road games in Green Bay and Tampa Bay where we clearly outplayed the opposition and found a way to lose.

In the meantime, the Cowboys are 12-1 and appear to be cruising to an NFC Championship and a record 9th Super Bowl appearance behind the insufferable Tony Romo and their "fans" are popping up all over the place as they tend to do.

Also in the division, the Giants, who have no more talent than we do, an idiot for a coach, and a terrible starting QB, appear to be a virtual lock for one of the NFC Wild Card spots (their 3rd straight postseason trip) and will most likely sweep us next Sunday night for the 2nd year in a row. At least the Eagles suck worse than we do.

Speaking of coaches, our leader and arguably our franchise's greatest legend seems to have finally lost his touch. There is just no excuse for losing this many 4th quarter leads. I'm sorry to say that Joe Gibbs probably needs to step down....

And you can add up everything I just said and multiply it by 10 and it sill wouldn't hurt as much as what happend to Sean Taylor. In my opionion the best player on our football team and the best safety in the NFL who was murdered at the age of 24 during a botched burglary attempt by a bunch of kids.... It's so horrible I still have difficulty thinking about it.... Sean was my favorite player and I know there are many of you who feel the same way. My heart is still broken over this and I can't imagine getting over it any time soon.... RIP Sean Taylor.

Yes, this has to be the worst season in Redskins franchise history.

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

And the Viking a couple of years ago who died during training camp.

Accidents and medical problems that kill are terrible, but senseless murders of young men are worse. They outrage the soul, mine anyway.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

welch wrote:Worst season, truly worst, because Sean Taylor was murdered. Other than Thurman Munson (a tip of the hat to JansenFan), I can't think of any player in any pro sport killed during the season. And Munson died while learning to fly his new personal jet...making Taylor's death feel even worse (although I can't explain why.)

I know of several NFL players that have had a heart attack on the field and died several hours later (including one Redskin, I seem to recall). There was also the case of Chuck Hughes, a WR for the Detroit Lions, who actually died on the field (of either a heart attack or a blood clot, I can't remember which).

And the Viking a couple of years ago who died during training camp.

Accidents and medical problems that kill are terrible, but senseless murders of young men are worse. They outrage the soul, mine anyway.

I agree totally. While medical issues are shocking statistically they are going to happen, it's part of life.

But the ST murder was just so senseless in every way and that is the biggest tragedy of all this. A bright, ambitious kid who was murdered for some stuff.

Worst season ever, yep, this is it.. our guy was murdered, nuff said.

Just for kicks people, what happens IF.. we make the playoffs and get to the superbowl???? Will it then be the best season after Gibbs 1.0 even though they killed our dude???? Just something to think about and yes, us making the SB is more than highly not gonna happen but "what if"?

Still a gut-tearing season...meaning that the record is one thing, but Sean Taylor's murder is something entirely different -- can't be compared. Wins don't compensate.