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welch wrote:Regarding injuries, see http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25346

The fewer the players, the greater the victory.

Get me a tall, fast, WR, with good had (NOT Tod Pinkston :roll: )

Make Jake can find an ex-Redskin who fellow that Gibbs decoded didn't like to practice. Endinded up in CFL, but was the best receiver, of a poor bunch, that Spurrier brougtin. Charlie Taylor, the greatset of them all (and I'm peparerd to arhue that Talalor was better than Jerry Rice, and Rice was better than any WR playing tody)

Charlie is on my Avatar, thanks again to our atist-in-residentce NC43, along with the finest passer of modern football.


Backto he topic. The Skins have woi before with loads on injuries Thius week the DB's worry me.

Maybe Redskin fans wre spolied by Baugh, Jurgensen, Charlie Taylor, and Art Monk.

Still, an Art Monk / Charlie Taylor clone is on my draft wish-list.es, Charlie: 6-3, 217 pounds, rookie of he year as a RB with a medocre line, and played two-way fotball at Arizona State. Coladhave started as a Redskn strong safety.

Oh, well. I'm so sleepy that I can't type. Just dream of another Charlie T or Art Monk.

Still, we are not toast. Remember when Mike Bass got badly hurt, and was temporaruily paralied? Never okayed again,


Charlie Taylor was the best all time and I agree he was better than Rice.

Who wouldn't want a Art Monk type? Ask yourself who would help this team more right now, Rice in his prime, Monk in his prime or C Taylor in his prime. I would rank it this way: Taylor, Monk, Rice.
With all due respect, you guys are smoking some of that Redskin peace pipe.

You may be able to argue that Charlie Taylor was a better football player than Jerry Rice, because of his versatility, but as far as being a better receiver... no way on Earth. And that's putting it lightly. And Art Monk better than Jerry Rice? The only place that's even possible is in the mind of a dedicated Skins fan.



Rice Taylor Monk
Games-- 303 165 224
Top 10 catches(seasons)-- 12 9 4
Top 10 rec yds(seasons)-- 12 6 3
Top 10 rec tds(seasons)-- 12 6 1
Top 10 yds from scrimmage(seasons)-- 8 2 0
Top 10 rush/rec tds(seasons)-- 9 3 0
All time catches (rank)-- 1st 36th 6th
All time rec yds (rank)-- 1st 37th 12th
All time rec tds (rank)-- 1st 19th 31st
All time yds fm scrimmage-- 1st unk 33rd
Pro Bowls-- 13 8 3

Postseason) Taylor’s best years were obviously his first few in the league, when he was productive as a runner and receiver. Monk played in 15 postseason games, but outside the Buffalo superbowl, his big games were all in losing efforts. Jerry Rice logged more postseason games than some guys log career games, and his best games were the biggest games:

In 4 Super Bowl appearances, Jerry Rice tallied 39 catches for 589yds and 8tds.
Case closed.

He even scored 1 less rushing touchdown than Taylor on 1/5th as many carries and less than half as many yards. He wasn’t just statistical dominance, he was as big a big game player as there’s ever been, and bigger than most.

Simply put, if the league weren’t so biased towards QBs and RBs when determining the game’s best players, Jerry Rice would be considered the best football player that ever lived. Charlie Taylor and Art Monk were greats, but Jerry Rice is the standard against which all other receivers are measured.

When it comes to the notion that any other receiver that’s ever played is better than Jerry rice, there is no good argument. Not yet.


I never said I thought Monk was better than Rice. What I said was Taylor and Monk in their prime would help this team more than Rice. This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice. When it was third down and everyone in the world new the ball was going to Monk he made the catch. Stats don't show how good Monk or C Taylor were. If you had ever seen C Taylor play you wouldn't think it is a joke that I say he would help this team more than Rice.

One point about about. He played on great teams, with two HoF QB (one was maybe the best ever) and came into his prime when the NFL changed to a passing game. Prior to 1990 Art Monk was the only NFL receiver to catch 100 balls or more in a season (106). Since 1990 there has only been one season were at least 1 WR reached 100. The 100 yard mark has been reached 46 times since 1990. AND MONK NEVER HAVE YOUNG OR MONTANA THROWING TO HIM.

C Taylor just played on some really bad teams, but man he was a freak of nature. That was also back during the era of leg whips and DBs being allowed to mug WRs all over the field.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice.


Well if his nickname was Money, then you win that argument.

Nicknames trump logical analysis. That's a well-known fact.
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Monk was the best when he retired. He was a leader on and off the field.

but , so was Rice.

Its not my place to say who was the best. I just think they were both great. Good leaders, hard work ethic, good sportsmanship heck etc... They both are great.
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PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice.


Well if his nickname was Money, then you win that argument.

Nicknames trump logical analysis. That's a well-known fact.


My reasons for saying he would help more has nothing to do with his "nickname", but it has everything to do with why he earned that nickname. I thought that would be obvious to most people. Obviously not.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:
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skinsfan#33 wrote:This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice.


Well if his nickname was Money, then you win that argument.

Nicknames trump logical analysis. That's a well-known fact.


My reasons for saying he would help more has nothing to do with his "ncikname", but it has everything to do with why he earned that nickname. I thought that would be obvious to most people. Obviously not.


Well shoot, Tony Mandarich's nickname was "The Incredible Bulk" because he was such a dominant college player.

Still got called that in the pros. Probably just right before he got cut.

"Incredible Bulk, bring your playbook, please."
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PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice.


Well if his nickname was Money, then you win that argument.

Nicknames trump logical analysis. That's a well-known fact.


My reasons for saying he would help more has nothing to do with his "ncikname", but it has everything to do with why he earned that nickname. I thought that would be obvious to most people. Obviously not.


Well shoot, Tony Mandarich's nickname was "The Incredible Bulk" because he was such a dominant college player.

Still got called that in the pros. Probably just right before he got cut.

"Incredible Bulk, bring your playbook, please."


What does that have to do with what I posted?
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We signed Anthony Mix off the G-strings practice squad. 6' 5", played with JC at Auburn, and plays special teams, too.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice.


Well if his nickname was Money, then you win that argument.

Nicknames trump logical analysis. That's a well-known fact.


My reasons for saying he would help more has nothing to do with his "ncikname", but it has everything to do with why he earned that nickname. I thought that would be obvious to most people. Obviously not.


Well shoot, Tony Mandarich's nickname was "The Incredible Bulk" because he was such a dominant college player.

Still got called that in the pros. Probably just right before he got cut.

"Incredible Bulk, bring your playbook, please."


What does that have to do with what I posted?


You seriously can't make this stuff up. Priceless.
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PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:This team has a lot of fast small WRs, but it lacks a big WR that is "Money" on third down. Being that Monk's nick name was Money I say he fits the bill better than Rice.


Well if his nickname was Money, then you win that argument.

Nicknames trump logical analysis. That's a well-known fact.


My reasons for saying he would help more has nothing to do with his "ncikname", but it has everything to do with why he earned that nickname. I thought that would be obvious to most people. Obviously not.


Well shoot, Tony Mandarich's nickname was "The Incredible Bulk" because he was such a dominant college player.

Still got called that in the pros. Probably just right before he got cut.

"Incredible Bulk, bring your playbook, please."


What does that have to do with what I posted?


You seriously can't make this stuff up. Priceless.


You just don't get it do you? Tony Mandarich's nickname has nothing to do with what I posted! It was a nickname the media labeled him with to sell magazines and wasn't given to him by his team mates. Just like self given nicknames, that a player labels himself to help his ego and his marketing (yes I'm talking about “Neon Deion - Prime Time” and “The Playmaker”) have nothing to do with what I posted either.

Monk was given the nickname "Money" by his teammates because they new he was money in crunch time. Besides you miss the point of why I even brought it up. I brought it up because that is the type of player this team is missing.

I hope I connected the dots. And now you can stop making stupid comments about my posts!
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Fellas, this topic is old news and we've gone way past the initial topic
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To roll it back toward the topic, I see the OL geting more cohesive. That's good. R Thomas might return in a few weeks...even better. Mix, I hope, is the tall guy that Campbell needs.

There's no replacing Sean Taylor soon (a severe knee sprain is serious), but I don't think this team is "toast". I just feel like they will play harder.

Joe Gibbs won his games by getting players to play better than any of the "experts" predicted. Right. Hard going, but nothing that Gibbs hasn't faced before. As best I remember, players said that Gibbs would gather his team together, and say something like "You have no friends outside this locker-room. Nobody respects us. The [1986 Bears, for instance] think they'll walk all over us. We believe in each other. Let's go kick their guts out".

Not toast. No way.
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