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See I just don't understand than. What's wrong with saying "eff" you to the team your playing? Isn't this football? Isn't this the cream of the crop when it comes to sports? Don't you wanna punish the living crap out of the other team? I can almost swear that if WE did that to the cowpunks, you guys would love every single second of it and would rub it in the cowpunk fans faces. I can see the justification now, its our rival, its the cowpunks, I hate those guys so its ok. How hipocritical are you guys?

It absolutly was classless. I have no problem getting thumped, and we deserved it. But to pass on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and go for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter up by 38 points, when a chip shot FG would make them up by 41 points is classless. I dont even want to hear otherwise. bush league. I agree that when your out there you need to play 60 minutes, but honestly ask yourself, would Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, or Joe Gibbs do the same thing? The answer is no, and its becuase they are respectfull and classy guys. Personally i WISH we would run up the score. Get a killer instinct and go out and Annihilate teams, but it is what it is.

langleyparkjoe wrote:That comment about Pats looking for fans, absolutley the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Trying to win with dignity and class.. yep, I'll remember that. I'll tell all my buddies that hey, we don't need to score alot of points, just go up 14 points and playing with "dignity and class" will get us a victory. I guess the Giants didn't get that memo huh Jansenfan? Good one.

First, I wasn't addressing you personally. Secondly, like it or not, that's how your team plays. With class and dignity. Don't like my comment?Tough.

To Fios, the Redskins would have had to have had the most prolific quarter in NFL history in 5 minutes just to tie the game, after having done nothing the 55 minutes prior. Part of sports is sportsmanship, and that was sorely lacking on the part of the Patriots. If the Redskins did this to another team, I would have the same reaction.

I coached my son's football team and we beat a team rather badly. We were up big at half, and we ended up scoring thrice in the second half, but we weren't running trick plays or throwing bombs. We were running up the gut and they just couldn't stop us. We won big, as did the Patriots, but without rubbing their noses in it.

Sportsmanship. Why would I expect that in a professional sport?

spenser wrote:It absolutly was classless. I have no problem getting thumped, and we deserved it. But to pass on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and go for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter up by 38 points, when a chip shot FG would make them up by 41 points is classless. I dont even want to hear otherwise. bush league. I agree that when your out there you need to play 60 minutes, but honestly ask yourself, would Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, or Joe Gibbs do the same thing? The answer is no, and its becuase they are respectfull and classy guys. Personally i WISH we would run up the score. Get a killer instinct and go out and Annihilate teams, but it is what it is.

So Spenser my brother, your saying we should be classless too according to your statement above right? You guys call it classless, I call it beating the crap out of a team, embarrasing them on national tv, and letting everyone else know that hey, this is football and we our the strongest team in the league. Once again, if its classless, than I'd rather be that and have teams scared to play us.

BB is playing a political game.

That fine the NFL imposed after the cheating scandal hurt, but what really hurt was that he was caught cheating, it seems.

He knows damn well that after he wins the SB the NFL will be FORCED to awknoledge the Patriots as champions. After that game, Roger Goodell will be FORCED to give him the Lombardi trophy with a big, hypocritcal smile on his face. In the end, what matters to the NFL is winning and the Patriots are doing just that.

BB is saying "forget sportsmanship", "forget class", "forget beeing a good sport"., "the only thing that matters is us".

Right now, EVERY game is a statement game for the Pats.

Classless.

In a one-on-one interview Friday with NBCSports.com, Belichick was asked whether his Patriots had been breaching end-game etiquette by scoring late on teams.

"I've been coaching too long," Belichick said. "I remember being on that side. When I was coaching defense it was my job to keep the score down, not theirs. When you're playing defense it's your job to stop them. It's not (the offense's) job to not score. It's like I tell the offense, what the (bleep) do you think I send you guys out there for? To punt? We have a punt team for that. That's not your job. Your job is to go out there and score points. If you come off the field and you haven't scored points you haven't done your job."

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couldn't agree more with this. class has nothing to do with it. what if the pats are down by a TD next week against indy and it comes to 4th down. guess what, if i were BB, i'd trust brady again to make the conversion. there's no practice that will help a teams confidence, like the real thing. football is also a mental game. and just KNOWING you are good enough to make it counts for a whole hell of a lot.

No Jansenfan, I have no problem with anyone going at me brother, in the end, we're all Skins fans and I can take a "butt whipping".

You mentioned about your kids football league, TOTALLY understandable. Those are kids. You let me know how many "kids" play in the NFL. Oops, I forgot we got a couple on our squad. Dag gone it!!!

langleyparkjoe wrote:See I just don't understand than. What's wrong with saying "eff" you to the team your playing? Isn't this football? Isn't this the cream of the crop when it comes to sports? Don't you wanna punish the living crap out of the other team? I can almost swear that if WE did that to the cowpunks, you guys would love every single second of it and would rub it in the cowpunk fans faces. I can see the justification now, its our rival, its the cowpunks, I hate those guys so its ok. How hipocritical are you guys?

No, I would not love every single second of it. You might, and that's fine. I would cringe the same way I cringe when a basketball player on a team I root for shoots a three as time expires instead of running out the clock. I don't root for our team to humiliate people. I wouldn't applaud if a Redskin knocked a player unconscious and then taunted his unmoving body.

Why didn't the Patriots kick an onside kick every time? Their defense could have held--even giving up that extra field position. Why not go for two instead of the extra point every time? BB can answer the same way, "What do you want me to do? Kick an extra point?" Going for it on fourth down is the same thing.

The greatest 4th quarter comeback in NFL history was from a 32 point deficit, so I guess that's the "magic number". Really, once you've got 30+ points, the game is essentially done, especially if the other team hasn't threatened all day. Running up the score beyond that is just disrespectful and classless - even in war, soldiers acknowledge when one side is beat, and they take prisoners, not make more corpses. But hey, if Mr. Belicheat wants to have a take no prisoners, scorched earth, full throttle to the end approach, he can't complain when other coaches do the same. And if some defensive lineman's helmet meets Brady's knee, hey, that's just part of the game! I condone no such dirty play, but Belicheat is just asking for it.

OK, Skins fans, go back and look at the scores of Skins games in the '80s and early '90's. Some Gibbs teams got beaten really badly. Joe Gibbs never "learned a lessen" or "took it on the chin" or "stood there looking stupid".

Gibbs has the same expression now that he had in 1981. He shows no emotion, or hardly any, on the side-lines. If it looks stupid, then find a full game tape of SB 22 and look at Gibbs, standing next to Mark Rypien, as the splendid Broncos ripped out a 10-0 lead. Same expression when the Skins scored on every possession in Q2.

Look at Gibbs during the 35-10 (or so) loss to the Bear in '85. The Bears ridiculed the Skins afterward, and after tha the Skins put the Bears out of the playoffs two consecutive years. In fact, I don't think a Gibbs team ever lost to a Ditka team again.

Look at Gibbs during the Wind-bowl game. Same expression.

No, Gibbs would keep the ball on the ground with a 30 point lead in Q4. So be it.

Why don't NFL teams run up the score...usually? Because they always play the loser again, and players remember. NFL players are big, strong, and fast...and they retaliate when someone humiliates them.

In the old days, the NFL allowed the crack-back block, and any defensive player who tried to injure Sonny Jurgensen had to watch out. The Skins had a WR (ex RB) named Charley Taylor, who was 6-3 and weighed abiut 217...and was among the fastest players in the league. Play dirty and a guy like Taylor might destroy your knee.

Jerry Glanville liked to run up the score, and I recall a game when Jack Pardee's team put the Glanville Falcons down, and kept scoring. Glanville said something like, "I don't know what I did wrong, but I got the message".

There will be other games against the Patriots, played by other teams, and players remember. So will the Redskins.

On Gibbs, by he way. I assume everyone knows about the "body bag" game with the Eagles. That January, the Eagles played the Redskins in a first-round playoff. The Washington Post reporter said later that Gibbs wouldn't say anything bad about Buddy Ryan...Gibbs held a football, shifting it from hand to hand, and just repeated the name: "Buddy [smack] Ryan...Buddy [smack!] Ryan".

The Petibon defense choked the Eagles, and the Gibbs offense pounded the all-star Eagles senseless.

In a one-on-one interview Friday with NBCSports.com, Belichick was asked whether his Patriots had been breaching end-game etiquette by scoring late on teams.

"I've been coaching too long," Belichick said. "I remember being on that side. When I was coaching defense it was my job to keep the score down, not theirs. When you're playing defense it's your job to stop them. It's not (the offense's) job to not score. It's like I tell the offense, what the (bleep) do you think I send you guys out there for? To punt? We have a punt team for that. That's not your job. Your job is to go out there and score points. If you come off the field and you haven't scored points you haven't done your job."

My goodness!!! SOMEONE fax that to Joe Gibbs immediately. Cus we're basically punting on 1st down.

THe Dolphins score more than we did against the Pats..... Thats what they should be embarrassed about.

Did he run up the score? = Yes

Did we have a chance to stop him from running up the score? = Yes but we didn't. So the we can't whine...the Pat's fan's should be the one's complaining because its just a dumb move by putting their players in risk of injury in a game, since the second half was meaningless.

He should have took Brady out 4th quarter and played other guys that fight hard to play. Same token we should have took our players out also and gave some other guys a chance to play.

FYI.. I've NEVER cheered for any injury to any player. To me that is classless and I dare someone tell me that running up the score is the same thing.

I know I am probably repeating something someone else has said but I just wanted to add my two cents.

Yes I believe the pats ran up the score but this is the NFL, the pros, if you don't want the score run up on you then stop them from scoring AT ALL COST.

langleyparkjoe wrote:FYI.. I've NEVER cheered for any injury to any player. To me that is classless and I dare someone tell me that running up the score is the same thing.

Didn't you say:

You guys call it classless, I call it beating the crap out of a team, embarrasing them on national tv, and letting everyone else know that hey, this is football and we our the strongest team in the league. Once again, if its classless, than I'd rather be that and have teams scared to play us.

Nothing scares opponents like sending their QB out of the game on a stretcher. That's sending a message, isn't it?

JansenFan wrote:To Fios, the Redskins would have had to have had the most prolific quarter in NFL history in 5 minutes just to tie the game, after having done nothing the 55 minutes prior. Part of sports is sportsmanship, and that was sorely lacking on the part of the Patriots. If the Redskins did this to another team, I would have the same reaction.

I coached my son's football team and we beat a team rather badly. We were up big at half, and we ended up scoring thrice in the second half, but we weren't running trick plays or throwing bombs. We were running up the gut and they just couldn't stop us. We won big, as did the Patriots, but without rubbing their noses in it.

Sportsmanship. Why would I expect that in a professional sport?

Right, but in the example I gave, and its relevant to this discussion, the Yankees would have to mount a 16 run comeback in order to have won that game, which would be the largest comeback in baseball history. And that was before the 6 run ninth inning. So are you suggesting the Indians were classless? Or, when you saw that score, did you smile and think "good, always nice to see the Yankees get it handed to them"?

Oh, let me apologize, I didn't know "beating the crap out of them" meant injuring someone. I meant it like football terms, wear them down, make them tired, you know, what the Pats did to our defense yesterday.

welch wrote:OK, Skins fans, go back and look at the scores of Skins games in the '80s and early '90's. Some Gibbs teams got beaten really badly. Joe Gibbs never "learned a lessen" or "took it on the chin" or "stood there looking stupid".

well i assume since you quoted my statments that was directed at me.

Gibbs has the same expression now that he had in 1981. He shows no emotion, or hardly any, on the side-lines. If it looks stupid, then find a full game tape of SB 22 and look at Gibbs, standing next to Mark Rypien, as the splendid Broncos ripped out a 10-0 lead. Same expression when the Skins scored on every possession in Q2.

Look at Gibbs during the 35-10 (or so) loss to the Bear in '85. The Bears ridiculed the Skins afterward, and after tha the Skins put the Bears out of the playoffs two consecutive years. In fact, I don't think a Gibbs team ever lost to a Ditka team again.

Look at Gibbs during the Wind-bowl game. Same expression.

No, Gibbs would keep the ball on the ground with a 30 point lead in Q4. So be it.

thanks for the history lesson. its just that, history. gibbs has done exactly squat since his return, regardless of his facial expression.

Why don't NFL teams run up the score...usually? Because they always play the loser again, and players remember. NFL players are big, strong, and fast...and they retaliate when someone humiliates them.

In the old days, the NFL allowed the crack-back block, and any defensive player who tried to injure Sonny Jurgensen had to watch out. The Skins had a WR (ex RB) named Charley Taylor, who was 6-3 and weighed abiut 217...and was among the fastest players in the league. Play dirty and a guy like Taylor might destroy your knee.

Jerry Glanville liked to run up the score, and I recall a game when Jack Pardee's team put the Glanville Falcons down, and kept scoring. Glanville said something like, "I don't know what I did wrong, but I got the message".

There will be other games against the Patriots, played by other teams, and players remember. So will the Redskins.

On Gibbs, by he way. I assume everyone knows about the "body bag" game with the Eagles. That January, the Eagles played the Redskins in a first-round playoff. The Washington Post reporter said later that Gibbs wouldn't say anything bad about Buddy Ryan...Gibbs held a football, shifting it from hand to hand, and just repeated the name: "Buddy [smack] Ryan...Buddy [smack!] Ryan".

The Petibon defense choked the Eagles, and the Gibbs offense pounded the all-star Eagles senseless.

call me crazy, but i just don't think gibbs will stick around long enough for any payback.

Fios wrote:Right, but in the example I gave, and its relevant to this discussion, the Yankees would have to mount a 16 run comeback in order to have won that game, which would be the largest comeback in baseball history. And that was before the 6 run ninth inning. So are you suggesting the Indians were classless? Or, when you saw that score, did you smile and think "good, always nice to see the Yankees get it handed to them"?

But did the Indians' manager put on a double steal in that inning? Or pinch hit to get a favorable matchup? (If so, then yes, that's classless.) The players have to play. What's at issue is the manager's actions, I think. No one is saying the Patriots' players are classless.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

spenser wrote:It absolutly was classless. I have no problem getting thumped, and we deserved it. But to pass on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and go for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter up by 38 points, when a chip shot FG would make them up by 41 points is classless. I dont even want to hear otherwise. bush league. I agree that when your out there you need to play 60 minutes, but honestly ask yourself, would Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, or Joe Gibbs do the same thing? The answer is no, and its becuase they are respectfull and classy guys. Personally i WISH we would run up the score. Get a killer instinct and go out and Annihilate teams, but it is what it is.

So Spenser my brother, your saying we should be classless too according to your statement above right? You guys call it classless, I call it beating the crap out of a team, embarrasing them on national tv, and letting everyone else know that hey, this is football and we our the strongest team in the league. Once again, if its classless, than I'd rather be that and have teams scared to play us.

Indeed, if you re-read my post... " i WISH we would run up the score. Get a killer instinct and go out and Annihilate teams ". It still would not change my posistion that it is bush league and classless, but if it came with a "W" then its all good to me. I want to win at all costs, im just saying that a humble, classy person such as a tony dungy wouldnt do somthing like that.

wbbradb wrote:

Fios wrote:Right, but in the example I gave, and its relevant to this discussion, the Yankees would have to mount a 16 run comeback in order to have won that game, which would be the largest comeback in baseball history. And that was before the 6 run ninth inning. So are you suggesting the Indians were classless? Or, when you saw that score, did you smile and think "good, always nice to see the Yankees get it handed to them"?

But did the Indians' manager put on a double steal in that inning? Or pinch hit to get a favorable matchup? (If so, then yes, that's classless.) The players have to play. What's at issue is the manager's actions, I think. No one is saying the Patriots' players are classless.

You beat me to it. You still have to hit. You still have to play offense. That doesn't mean you have to run it up. That's why I gave the example of Jackson's football team. we didn't stop scoring, but we didn't go out of our way to humiliate the other team either.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Oh, let me apologize, I didn't know "beating the crap out of them" meant injuring someone. I meant it like football terms, wear them down, make them tired, you know, what the Pats did to our defense yesterday.

But when it's 38-0 in the fourth quarter, don't you think the beatdown is done? At that point, a comeback was simply impossible.

wbbradb wrote:

Fios wrote:Right, but in the example I gave, and its relevant to this discussion, the Yankees would have to mount a 16 run comeback in order to have won that game, which would be the largest comeback in baseball history. And that was before the 6 run ninth inning. So are you suggesting the Indians were classless? Or, when you saw that score, did you smile and think "good, always nice to see the Yankees get it handed to them"?

But did the Indians' manager put on a double steal in that inning? Or pinch hit to get a favorable matchup? (If so, then yes, that's classless.) The players have to play. What's at issue is the manager's actions, I think. No one is saying the Patriots' players are classless.

Victor Martinez hit a home-run during that six run ninth, that means he was waiting on a pitch (probably a fastball), got it and hit it as hard as he could. How is that so far removed from going for it instead of punting? It's not like the Pats ran a flea flicker or faked a kick. I'm just having trouble with people saying "well, X butt kicking is not running up the score but Y certainly is." I don't see how you can distinguish that easily. It was 27-3 with 3 minutes left in the game when Rogers picked off Kitna and returned it for six. Did anyone actually think the Lions were going to score 24 points in three minutes to win that game? So, as someone else asked in this thread, where was the outrage then?

Fios wrote:

wbbradb wrote:

Fios wrote:Right, but in the example I gave, and its relevant to this discussion, the Yankees would have to mount a 16 run comeback in order to have won that game, which would be the largest comeback in baseball history. And that was before the 6 run ninth inning. So are you suggesting the Indians were classless? Or, when you saw that score, did you smile and think "good, always nice to see the Yankees get it handed to them"?

But did the Indians' manager put on a double steal in that inning? Or pinch hit to get a favorable matchup? (If so, then yes, that's classless.) The players have to play. What's at issue is the manager's actions, I think. No one is saying the Patriots' players are classless.

Victor Martinez hit a home-run during that six run ninth, that means he was waiting on a pitch (probably a fastball), got it and hit it as hard as he could. How is that so far removed from going for it instead of punting? It's not like the Pats ran a flea flicker or faked a kick. I'm just having trouble with people saying "well, X butt kicking is not running up the score but Y certainly is." I don't see how you can distinguish that easily. It was 27-3 with 3 minutes left in the game when Rogers picked off Kitna and returned it for six. Did anyone actually think the Lions were going to score 24 points in three minutes to win that game? So, as someone else asked in this thread, where was the outrage then?

That was one game, and the margin was smaller. I see your point, but how many games have the 'skins had with that big a margin in the last 5 years? The Pats have consistently run up the score this season. They did it before yesterday, they did it yesterday, and I'll bet they do it again.

It's not one particular play. It's the combination of them all. Going for it on fourth when you a chip shot field goal away from a 41 point lead, after throwing deep to Moss, then going for it on fourth again with a 45 point lead. It's not just playing offense, it's going out of your way to humiliate your opponent. It's not that they won 52-7, its how they got to 52. There is no X number that's too much. It's how you handle yourself.