Moss is Out?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:43 pm

UPDATE on Moss from JLC:

Santana Moss (left groin) tried to job a bit and do some agility drills, but was not moving smoothly and after a few minutes of work on the sidelines in shorts and a t-shirt during practice he had to stop and get the groin iced down, then retreated to the training room.

Hard to see him turning that around in time to play this weekend - and I al already wondering about Week 6 as well - but never say never.

RB Clinton Portis (knee) was back in pads and doing some work and from what I gather the plan was for him to at least take part in some 7 on 7 drills.

We'll see what all parties have to say after practice.

Now to get back to Lloyd:

Lloyd got kicked in the shin and had to miss part of practice, but X-Rays were negative.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:44 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:I agree. I don't see why it's out of the question whether Lloyd might break out if he gets the chance. Who here at THN was big on Antwaan Randle El having a breakout year?

Answer: The Three THNers

I'd love to hear what these guys/gals saw in ARE that would cause them to think he'd have a breakout year.

BTW - Only 6 people voted for Lloyd.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:44 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:A few thoughts on this. I think that people weren't upset over CP's comments because he echoed many of the concern/problems that people saw with the team last year. His interview with John Thompson after last season showed CP's fire and his desire for this team to get better. It was refreshing, at least for me, to see that type of fire from one of our players. Not to mention the fact that CP basically carried this team to the playoffs in 2005. As for the helmet throwing incident, the reason that it didn't sit well with me was because it looked like Lloyd was showing up JC. Whether or not that was the case, that's how it looked to me. And afterwards he didn't seem too regretful of it happening. But like you said that was last season.

I think you missed my point. I too didn't mind CP's comments when I heard them but...!

Did you stop to think what type of negative effect they may have had in the situation? Were those comments worth it? Do you feel your semi validation was worth that? Just so you can post it on a message board?

I find it funny that nobody complained about that. I find it ironic how people complain about how Lloyd hurt the team for tossing a helmet but yet when another player does something equally damaging it doesn't matter...

Was Portis reprimanded by Gibbs? Who knows... It's not the 1st time he's done it. And I love CP.

The difference for me between the two episodes was that when CP made those comments I was hoping that maybe they would have an impact on management and the coaches and that something positive could come out of it. I saw CP's comments as pretty representative of what many fans and probably a lot of players were feeling at the time. I don't think that he would've said it otherwise. With the helmet throwing incident, which is probably being blown out of proportion, there was nothing even remotely positive about what happened.

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:38 am

AP

Notes: RB Clinton Portis was limited in practice Wednesday with a mildly sprained and bruised knee. Coach Joe Gibbs said he misspoke Monday when he said Portis was having a recurrence of the tendinitis that sidelined him for most of training camp. "I think Clinton will be fine," Gibbs said. ... Of greater concern is WR Santana Moss, who remains unable to practice because of a groin injury. Asked about his chances for Sunday, Moss said: "You won't know until I know." ... WR Brandon Lloyd got kicked in the shin during practice. X-rays showed nothing of concern. ... S Taylor was limited with a bruised knee.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:56 am

GSPODS wrote:WR Brandon Lloyd got kicked in the shin during practice.

I wonder if one of the coaches did it on purpose. :lol:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:04 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:A few thoughts on this. I think that people weren't upset over CP's comments because he echoed many of the concern/problems that people saw with the team last year. His interview with John Thompson after last season showed CP's fire and his desire for this team to get better. It was refreshing, at least for me, to see that type of fire from one of our players. Not to mention the fact that CP basically carried this team to the playoffs in 2005. As for the helmet throwing incident, the reason that it didn't sit well with me was because it looked like Lloyd was showing up JC. Whether or not that was the case, that's how it looked to me. And afterwards he didn't seem too regretful of it happening. But like you said that was last season.

I think you missed my point. I too didn't mind CP's comments when I heard them but...!

Did you stop to think what type of negative effect they may have had in the situation? Were those comments worth it? Do you feel your semi validation was worth that? Just so you can post it on a message board?

I find it funny that nobody complained about that. I find it ironic how people complain about how Lloyd hurt the team for tossing a helmet but yet when another player does something equally damaging it doesn't matter...

Was Portis reprimanded by Gibbs? Who knows... It's not the 1st time he's done it. And I love CP.

The difference for me between the two episodes was that when CP made those comments I was hoping that maybe they would have an impact on management and the coaches and that something positive could come out of it. I saw CP's comments as pretty representative of what many fans and probably a lot of players were feeling at the time. I don't think that he would've said it otherwise. With the helmet throwing incident, which is probably being blown out of proportion, there was nothing even remotely positive about what happened.

For the helmet throwing incident, Brandon said that at that moment, he realized that the team wasn't going to make the playoffs, the thing he was most excited about when the trade happened.

Of course last week, Portis drew a 15 yarder for spiking the ball. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I didn't see this mentioned anywhere on the boards. Is spiking the ball for a 15 yard penalty more acceptable than spiking your helmet for a 15 yarder?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:17 am

Of course last week, Portis drew a 15 yarder for spiking the ball. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I didn't see this mentioned anywhere on the boards. Is spiking the ball for a 15 yard penalty more acceptable than spiking your helmet for a 15 yarder?

When you're Clinton Portis. . .

I'm really starting to hate the two threads that are stagnating at the top of Hogwash. Not only are the accusations on Lloyd coming with undue ferocity, but in order to show some context we are pointing out every little flaw that every other player has had this season.

I refuse to think that ARE has done anything but contribute to our wins. Sure, he dances like D---n on punt returns, and he's made one or two other mistakes. . .but bloody hell, lets not make it sound like the Redskins are 0-3 just so Lloyd doesn't look as bad! Yes, things look awry. Yes, he's not the only one to have made mistakes (and his mistakes don't seem t be all that different compared to ones made by team-mates). Yes, things look bad for him. Yes, we all hope it gets better. Yes, it would be great to see him get an opportunity.

As you can probably tell, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. I just wanted to say that I hate bye-weeks almost as much as I hate the off season. Too much speculation, whining, and bickering. Thank God we're 2-1. :evil:

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:20 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
GSPODS wrote:WR Brandon Lloyd got kicked in the shin during practice.

I wonder if one of the coaches did it on purpose.

LMAO, that's pretty messed up. Next thing you know Brunnell's gonna have his wife "kneecap" Jason (ala tonya harding...)

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:41 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:I agree. I don't see why it's out of the question whether Lloyd might break out if he gets the chance. Who here at THN was big on Antwaan Randle El having a breakout year?

Answer: The Three THNers

I'd love to hear what these guys/gals saw in ARE that would cause them to think he'd have a breakout year.

BTW - Only 6 people voted for Lloyd.

"Only"

I may be wrong but I would gather this to mean you think this is not a lot of "faith" or measure of support for Lloyd - very clever :wink:

AND being the very fair person you are :^o

you just conveniently "forgot" to include other players who "Only" got 3 "votes" namely Portis and Cool

ey - for everyone's information - Campbell got 29, Lloyd 6 :lol:

McIntosh 5, Taylor 4, Cool

ey, ARE & Portis got 3 and Betts & Landry 1 ROTFALMAO

this is just a poll and a lot of those "voters" obviously are just hoping they are right

Lets face it there are a lot of people on our team who have to perform a lot better than we have seen in the past 3 games - I have always felt that too many fans at THN want to find a scapegoat and do not "see" that there are bigger issues here than just a player or a coach

we have a team that is not playing well - they all need to do their jobs better.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:17 am

SkinsJock wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:I agree. I don't see why it's out of the question whether Lloyd might break out if he gets the chance. Who here at THN was big on Antwaan Randle El having a breakout year?

Answer: The Three THNers

I'd love to hear what these guys/gals saw in ARE that would cause them to think he'd have a breakout year.

BTW - Only 6 people voted for Lloyd.

"Only" I may be wrong but I would gather this to mean you think this is not a lot of "faith" or measure of support for Lloyd - very clever AND...you just conveniently "forgot" to include other players who "Only" got 3 "votes"...

What do you expect? This IS Washington, after all! :wink:

My point with the mention of ARE's 3 votes was to prove to Irn-Bru that unnamed THNers thought ARE would breakout this year, and they are looking like geniuses after 3 games. (it's still early, the 6 for #85 might get the last laugh!! :wink:

)

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:59 pm

When CP spiked the ball, he immediately reacted as "Geez, I shouldn't have done that," or it appeared to me, anyway. Completely different than Lloyd's reaction. And CP has a LITTLE bit more breathing room in th eperformance department than Lloyd... at least CP has shown something here at least 1 year, what does Lloyd fall back on?

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:42 pm

Of course last week, Portis drew a 15 yarder for spiking the ball. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I didn't see this mentioned anywhere on the boards. Is spiking the ball for a 15 yard penalty more acceptable than spiking your helmet for a 15 yarder?

You mean the 5 yard penalty that Portis got for spiking the ball? It's a delay of game penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct like helmet throwing, so it is only a 5 yard penalty. And yes there is a big difference between a spike after a 16 yard gain and spiking your helmet and throwing a tantrum after your young qb throws an interception. Gibbs benched Lloyd for the rest of that game against the Falcons and then had several meetings with Lloyd after the game. Portis, on the other hand, got high fives after his run. So yea there is a very big difference between the two incidents.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:10 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Of course last week, Portis drew a 15 yarder for spiking the ball. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I didn't see this mentioned anywhere on the boards. Is spiking the ball for a 15 yard penalty more acceptable than spiking your helmet for a 15 yarder?

You mean the 5 yard penalty that Portis got for spiking the ball? It's a delay of game penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct like helmet throwing, so it is only a 5 yard penalty. And yes there is a big difference between a spike after a 16 yard gain and spiking your helmet and throwing a tantrum after your young qb throws an interception. Gibbs benched Lloyd for the rest of that game against the Falcons and then had several meetings with Lloyd after the game. Portis, on the other hand, got high fives after his run. So yea there is a very big difference between the two incidents.

If Portis had done this last year it wouldn't have been a penalty so that's another reason to give him a pass. Lloyd's issues last year wasn't the unsportsmanlike conduct that he was flagged for but more for how it could have been perceived by a young QB, The coached addressed it with Lloyd the next day and the following day (Lloyd's "day off"), that was the end of it until CP made his weekly radio spot.

Other than Portis no-one had spoken of the issues other than those outside the team. To this day the incident isn't mentioned without Portis comments soon behind. This was a very good opportunity for Lloyd to return the favor, but he chose not to. Like his blocking and appearance of being a total team player in all this "turmoil" he won't get credit.

I'm sure Gibbs and Co. address the Spiked ball incedent with the team and the player and that's where it ended. Brandon threw his helmet a whole season ago and it's still around his neck.

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:17 pm

How did a Moss Is Out thread become another thread about Brandon Lloyd?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:23 pm

GSPODS wrote:How did a Moss Is Out thread become another thread about Brandon Lloyd?

Any thread about anything that has to do with the Redskins passing game will come down to the bottom line.

Any thread about anything that has to do with the Redskins running game will come down to the bottom line.

Any thread about anything that has to do with the Redskins defense will come down to the problems on offense (see the bottom line).

The bottom line keeps coming out as ... "they are struggling and it's all Lloyd's fault"

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:21 pm

I guess brandon Lloyd is the "NEW" Mark brunell, it used to be all his fault.

If practices are being run similar to the games, I doubt 85 is getting many looks there either. So far this season has seemed to be all about giving JC a nice simplified package to comfortably manage. Now it seems to me that Lloyd is the type of reciever that runs the "high risk/big reward" type patterns, right now Moss is the only reciever that they have attempted this with and showed any sucess. Is it route precision? ARE and Cool

ey have been used more in possesion roles. Look, it may be taboo to critique JC, but he holds the ball too long and takes waaay too long to get thru his check downs for a 3 and 4 reciever package (for now). that pump fake you see from him presently is not for the DB, it's Jason second guessing himself and thats partly the coaches fault. They are so concerned with mistakes that it has made them overly conservative. That being said Jason does rebound well if he makes one but I dont see the confidence in his arm or feet unless he is throwing to Cool

ey or Moss.

After all of that spewing, if Moss is out this week our QB is going to have to gain confidence in every other reciever on this squad real fast. No way in hell do our DB's shut out recievers that have the size of Detroit's recievers. We're gonna have to shoot it out with these guys. Pray we win the coin toss , so we can eat up half the first quarter with a 7 minute pound the rock scoring drive, do that, we've got a shot. If we get behind, it's time for JC to let it fly and our recievers to go fight for it "DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!"

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:38 am

Just heard on Sirius NFL Radio, he is doubtful for today, but will be a gametime decision in a few hours.

por-tiz2skins · Post by **por-tiz2skins** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:36 am

Just Announced hes out.

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:52 am

I stand corrected on my previous post about our D-backs. sometimes its good to be wrong

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:06 am

I hope Moss will able to play against GB. We're gonna need him!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:17 am

Hopefully everyone is healthy and available for the rest of the season and that includes Moss and Lloyd - they both are important pieces of our passing game.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:59 am

SkinsJock wrote:Hopefully everyone is healthy and available for the rest of the season and that includes Moss and Lloyd - they both are important pieces of our passing game.

Seriously, Moss and Lloyd are just so important to our pass game.

Moss is our #1, big-play WR.

And Lloyd? Also important. I mean, how can we possibly replace a guy who has 1 catch for 9 yards all season?