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Steve Spurrier III wrote:Just out of curiosity, would Arrington have been able to sue his agent for the loss?

I suspect he had some grounds for legal malpractice... but he chose to go after the team instead... he blew it.

PulpExposure wrote:As an attorney, I can tell you that nothing is final until you read the contract and sign it. The written document is 99.99% the final agreement. If there was supposed to be a 6.5 mill bonus in there, then the agent should have reviewed the financial terms carefully. That's what he's paid for.

Never, ever, sign a piece of paper without reading what's in it. You've just agreed at that point you had read to, and agreed to, whatever is in that document. That's basic first year contract law, and any half competant contract negotiator (note I didn't say attorney, because plenty of people negotiate contracts who aren't attorneys) would know that.

I don't think anyone would dispute that, I know I certainly agree, but does it really have anything to do with who screwed who here?

LaVar bears a lesser responsibility simply because he really should be reading his multi million dollar contract carefully, not just relying on his agent. Who as we saw was completely negligent in his duty.

Average citizen, yes... professional athlete... that's what the athletes pay agents 10% for. That's why agents are required to learn contract law... players don't know the laws... reading them would mean NOTHING to them.

Dexter Manley signed his contract with an X... he was illiterate when he signed... how exactly would he read a contract?

By hiring an agent and having them do it for him.

Lavar isn't really 'guilty' of anything in this instance except having bad representation... and Poston was dealt with accordingly. Lavar SHOULD have sued the Postons, he would have likely got all or some of his money out of their 'take'.

And all that categorically proves is that the Redskins took a big chunk of money out of the contract and got away with it...

So who really 'deserves' to be in a motorcycle accident?

Still nobody in my view.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Just out of curiosity, would Arrington have been able to sue his agent for the loss?

I don't know if Poston is a lawyer, actually, nor if acting as a sports agent constitutes practicing law. Since anyone can be a sports agent in theory.

I don't think anyone would dispute that, I know I certainly agree, but does it really have anything to do with who screwed who here?

Dunno...I find it highly suspect that Arrington claimed a 6.5 mill bonus was missing when there was another 6.5 mill bonus in the contract that he was awarded. It's not like the Redskins have ever been accused of being cheap to their superstars (yes, yes, Ryan Clark and Antonio Pierce were not superstars). From what I understand of the situation, I find it far more likely that Poston misrepresented the contract offer to Arrington, and then acted surprised when they signed the real contract.

Average citizen, yes... professional athlete... that's what the athletes pay agents 10% for. That's why agents are required to learn contract law... players don't know the laws... reading them would mean NOTHING to them.

Dexter Manley signed his contract with an X... he was illiterate when he signed... how exactly would he read a contract?

By hiring an agent and having them do it for him.

Lavar isn't really 'guilty' of anything in this instance except having bad representation

He's not guilty of anything. I said he bears a lesser responsibility, that's different. In the end, it's his contract. If you don't want to read the contract, then don't be surprised when you get bit by it later. Yes, pay an agent...but agents make mistakes also.

It's like when you buy a house; you have a buyer's agent. But if you don't read the sales contract, in the end, you're just being slow minded. It's your signature on the line.

Dexter is a whole different matter. He didn't read his contracts because he couldn't. AFAIK Arrington passed 3rd grade.

BossHog wrote:So who really 'deserves' to be in a motorcycle accident?

Still nobody in my view.

Hitler maybe? Maybe Carrottop?

But yeah, wishing that kind of disaster on someone is really poor form...

Boss: So, has it now become fact that the Redskins took money out of the contract without telling Arrington or Poston?

I'm just asking because we only have the words of the people who participated in the negotiations to go by, which really doesn't give us anything to form an informed verdict, surely?

UK Skins Fan wrote:Boss: So, has it now become fact that the Redskins took money out of the contract without telling Arrington or Poston?

I'm just asking because we only have the words of the people who participated in the negotiations to go by, which really doesn't give us anything to form an informed verdict, surely?

I don't know if it's ever been proven as 'fact' to be honest with you, but the Redskins seemed to just sweep it under the rug AND the Redskins 'settled' and came up with an altrnate agreement (they inserted an 'option' into LA's contract as a form of compromise). Why redo a contract if you had no fault at all?

The NFLPA filed for sanctions against Poston due to "failure to properly review the contract before signing it." That doesn't really tell you if the Redskins took it out and Poston didn't notice, or if Poston forgot to include it in a draught.

We'll probably ever really know but I have read several things SINCE THEN lead me to believe that there was good reason to believe that the clause had just been removed by the Redskins.

I couldn't find any 'telling' articles, but I do remember one where there was some joking going on about how Lavar said that there just couldn't be three 'sixes' in the final contract because it was the number of the beast. The piece then said that the Redskins complied... and took one of the sixes out of the contract.

I'll look for more 'poignant, on fact' articles and see if I can post one or two to show what I'm talking about.

BossHog wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Boss: So, has it now become fact that the Redskins took money out of the contract without telling Arrington or Poston?

I'm just asking because we only have the words of the people who participated in the negotiations to go by, which really doesn't give us anything to form an informed verdict, surely?

I don't know if it's ever been proven as 'fact' to be honest with you, but the Redskins seemed to just sweep it under the rug AND the Redskins 'settled' and came up with an altrnate agreement (they inserted an 'option' into LA's contract as a form of compromise). Why redo a contract if you had no fault at all?

PR, as part of the settlement, or to mollify their star player? Seriously, 6.5 million is chump change to Snyder, and he had been throwing (by then standards) huge resigning bonuses at Arrington & Samuels to redo their contracts.

The NFLPA filed for sanctions against Poston due to "failure to properly review the contract before signing it." That doesn't really tell you if the Redskins took it out and Poston didn't notice, or if Poston forgot to include it in a draught.

Yeah, and considering Poston has already been proven utterly incompetant, I lean a different way than blaming the Skins

We'll probably ever really know but I have read several things SINCE THEN lead me to believe that there was good reason to believe that the clause had just been removed by the Redskins.

And I've read several things since Snyder bought the team that we'll be in Cap Hell...without having seen the draft contract, we'll never know.

But here's the real kicker. Poston & Arrington would have had a copy of the draft contract in their possession. If the extra 6.5 million bonus was missing from the final, they could have whipped out the copy, showed it to Snyder, and said...either you give us this, or we go throw a press conference.

I'm betting Poston misrepresented the contract to LaVar, got "surprised" at the final contract (even though it's the exact same as the draft), got LaVar all ancy about it...and the Skins said...instead of pissing off the face of our franchise, we'll throw him some money...even though his agent is an idiot.

I don't have any trouble believing that the Redskins could have stiffed him with the contract (if you can describe it as getting stiffed when you get so much guaranteed money anyway). My problem is that I don't normally believe a word that either the Redskins or the Postons say. That leaves with a real dilemna about who to believe in this case!

I do think that Lavar genuinely felt aggrieved, but I don't know whether that's conclusive proof that the Redskins set out to rip him off.

And none of that has any bearing on whether he deserves to fall off of a motorbike or not.

BossHog wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:As an attorney, I can tell you that nothing is final until you read the contract and sign it. The written document is 99.99% the final agreement. If there was supposed to be a 6.5 mill bonus in there, then the agent should have reviewed the financial terms carefully. That's what he's paid for.

Never, ever, sign a piece of paper without reading what's in it. You've just agreed at that point you had read to, and agreed to, whatever is in that document. That's basic first year contract law, and any half competant contract negotiator (note I didn't say attorney, because plenty of people negotiate contracts who aren't attorneys) would know that.

I don't think anyone would dispute that, I know I certainly agree, but does it really have anything to do with who screwed who here?

LaVar bears a lesser responsibility simply because he really should be reading his multi million dollar contract carefully, not just relying on his agent. Who as we saw was completely negligent in his duty.

Average citizen, yes... professional athlete... that's what the athletes pay agents 10% for. That's why agents are required to learn contract law... players don't know the laws... reading them would mean NOTHING to them.

Dexter Manley signed his contract with an X... he was illiterate when he signed... how exactly would he read a contract?

By hiring an agent and having them do it for him.

Lavar isn't really 'guilty' of anything in this instance except having bad representation... and Poston was dealt with accordingly. Lavar SHOULD have sued the Postons, he would have likely got all or some of his money out of their 'take'.

And all that categorically proves is that the Redskins took a big chunk of money out of the contract and got away with it...

So who really 'deserves' to be in a motorcycle accident?

Still nobody in my view.

Boss. Nobody said that anybody deserves to be in a motorcycle accident. Your missing the point. Why don't you read from the very beginning when this post first started. Again I gave a opinion and I should have explained it better and thats MY FAULT AND I'M SORRY, however I was not saying that LaVar deserved to get hurt.

jeremyroyce wrote:Boss. Nobody said that anybody deserves to be in a motorcycle accident. Your missing the point. Why don't you read from the very beginning when this post first started. Again I gave a opinion and I should have explained it better and thats MY FAULT AND I'M SORRY, however I was not saying that LaVar deserved to get hurt.

jeremyroyce wrote:This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

So, what are we supposed to infer from this statement? It doesn't require a massive leap in logic to get from this to "LaVar deserved this." You may not have meant that literally but you can't be surprised that people reached that conclusion.

Fios wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:Boss. Nobody said that anybody deserves to be in a motorcycle accident. Your missing the point. Why don't you read from the very beginning when this post first started. Again I gave a opinion and I should have explained it better and thats MY FAULT AND I'M SORRY, however I was not saying that LaVar deserved to get hurt.

jeremyroyce wrote:This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

So, what are we supposed to infer from this statement? It doesn't require a massive leap in logic to get from this to "LaVar deserved this." You may not have meant that literally but you can't be surprised that people reached that conclusion.

Look I never said that LaVar deserved it, and again I will say this for the last time I should have said it differently and I was wrong for the way that I said it. I wish that I could go back and change it. Have you ever said something and mean't it a certain way and it came out wrong, well thats what I did, I mean't it a certain way and I should have typed my opinion a different way. I'm sincerly sorry for the way I said it. I would never wish anything bad on anybody and that does include LaVar. Please just accept my opology and lets move on from this. Thank you

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2923568

he got released today after 2 weeks