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I'll respond to this in depth at a later time but why is it that Snyder gets credit for the good signings but when I bring up AA and other folk that didn't work out the Snyder fans want to push it all on Gibbs.

This isn't directed at you specifically Skinsfreak but in general.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'll respond to this in depth at a later time but why is it that Snyder gets credit for the good signings but when I bring up AA and other folk that didn't work out the Snyder fans want to push it all on Gibbs.

This isn't directed at you specifically Skinsfreak but in general.

Actually, that's a valid question.

I live near Miami. The Dolphins, in recent past, have signed guys like Culpepper, Harrington, Ricky Williams, Chris Carter, David Boston and a few other big names. Here, the blame always seems to get pushed on the coaches, for the teams failures, not the owner. Also, I've been to Pro Player stadium several times in the past 2 years. The prices for parking, tickets and concessions are almost identical to Fed-Ex.

IMO, (and that's all it is) there has to more than one person involved in the decision making process regarding player acquisition. So technically, ONE person can't take all the credit and ONE person can't take all the blame. That's really been my point all along. I know why you guys and others don't care for Snyder, as many of your points are valid. I just don't think we can blame one person only. That's all. At this point, I'd say that Vinny probably pulls very little weight in the decisions making process.

Snyder's not perfect, I know, I really do, ok? But I truly believe he has good intentions and tries to do what is in the best interest of the team, as a whole. I think his best days are in front of him.

Hey listen, CLL & RiC, I happen to like both you guys, agree that you both have valid points, and I, personally, don't intend to disrespect you or your opinions. Even though I did engage, as RiC pointed out, I was really trying to avoid an argument all together, even though I failed in trying. I know that I'm in the minority when it comes to Snyder. Let's just agree to disagree about Snyder. You can still respond to anything I've said but please know that I attempt to respect your thoughts and ideas and will refrain from attacking you on a personal level. Sorry if you've taken offense to anything I've previously said. I'm becoming very excited about the upcoming season and I think we all have a lot to look forward to. HAIL SKINS!

It's all in fun trust me. I won't remeber any of this in two weeks. It's the off season, what else do we have to do but fight and irritate each other? I seriously doubt anyone is truly mad.

just when it was getting interesting

Hey Skinsfreak, I'm with you on the Snyder thing! I really think he gets a bad rap and IMO there are not many present owners that I would rather have. He did not handle his early days as an owner very well and a couple of media guys have been all over him ever since. I agree that since Gibbs came back he seems to be letting the football people run things and he supports them. This off season has been encouraging and we seem to be making much better decisions - it aint over till the fat lady sings

As far as Cerrato goes I just do not understand why he's still here - I'm not saying he needs to go right now but I sure hope that he's gone before the season begins and somebody that can contribute is brought in - IMO Gibbs and the Redskins need somebody that manages the NFL and college talent evaluators - we need a GM and Cerrato is just dead weight.

SkinsFreak wrote:I live near Miami. The Dolphins, in recent past, have signed guys like Culpepper, Harrington, Ricky Williams, Chris Carter, David Boston and a few other big names. Here, the blame always seems to get pushed on the coaches, for the teams failures, not the owner. Also, I've been to Pro Player stadium several times in the past 2 years. The prices for parking, tickets and concessions are almost identical to Fed-Ex.

Just to finish my thought here...

-How often do you hear Wayne Huizinga's name in the media?

-How often does he get bashed by the media or the so-called "experts" for bringing in these big name guys who ultimately didn't work out?

-How often do you hear Huizinga personally criticized by the media for bringing in and paying big bucks to a former Pro Bowler who was past his prime at the time of the signing and did very little on the field? (Junior Seau)

-How often does the media criticize and ridicule Huizinga for hiring an overhyped college coach (Nick Saban) who got paid tons of cash only to fail, walk away after only 2 seasons and return to the college ranks? Sound familiar? Yet I live in the area and hear nothing with regard to Huizinga and how he manages his team.

The media have an obvious bias against Snyder and because of who he is (young, rich, a bit arrogant and owner of the highest valued franchise in the entire country) he is an easy target, unjustifiably so, IMO. No one can predict the future or how players / coaches will perform. Folks say Snyder was stupid for firing Marty. Well, after what, 5 seasons(?) no championship for the Chargers either.

Thanks SkinsJock, I was starting to think I was the only person in the country or on the planet that has some respect for the guy. BTW - I'M NOT SNYDER!

At least the Chargers get to enjoy their seasons. I know at the end we're all 0-0 but at least they get a good product on the field. Every year they had a realistic chance.

I personally don't care what Houdini or whoever that is does. I only care what Daniel does. Just because other people suck doesn't mean it's ok for him to suck.

Oh and I'm not upset about the prices at games. My issue with price and Snyder came from my dissatisfaction of "F.A.D". I enjoy my time at the regular season games and those prices aren't too bad.

SkinsFreak wrote:Snyder's not perfect, I know, I really do, ok? But I truly believe he has good intentions and tries to do what is in the best interest of the team, as a whole. I think his best days are in front of him.

I believe he'll improve. He already has. But I have doubts when they continue to deny that their system is flawed in regards to F/A and the draft.

Again, this year is different....so we'll see.

SkinsFreak wrote:
Hey listen, CLL & RiC, I happen to like both you guys, agree that you both have valid points, and I, personally, don't intend to disrespect you or your opinions.

Like Redskin1 said, it's the off-season. This place gets bloody and people turn on each other. lol. It's like the dry season in the Sahara. Nothing personal.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I personally don't care what Houdini or whoever that is does. I only care what Daniel does. Just because other people suck doesn't mean it's ok for him to suck.

Owner of the Miami Dolphins.

I agree, but I wasn't talking about how bad he sucks, I was trying to point out the media bias and how the media views owners differently who are in very similar situations. Huizinga gets a pass while Snyder gets bashed.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I personally don't care what Houdini or whoever that is does. I only care what Daniel does. Just because other people suck doesn't mean it's ok for him to suck.

Owner of the Miami Dolphins.

I agree, but I wasn't talking about how bad he sucks, I was trying to point out the media bias and how the media views owners differently who are in very similar situations. Huizinga gets a pass while Snyder gets bashed.

I agree that there's a bias. But Danny's stubbornness to make his way of doing things made it worse. He didn't need to change all the way but find moderation in free agency.

Right. And as you said, this year is a move in the right direction. Maybe they have recognized their previous flaws. Not that they'd admit it publicly, but so far this offseason, the moves would indicate a change in strategy or philosophy. However, I know we need to see more than 1 year to prove that point.

1niksder wrote:In the off-season Good luck with that one.

Its like this every offseason. It's just that i've been on the dark side this year but I've been wandering back towards the light as of late....

SkinsFreak wrote:You can't go into a debate thinking the other guy is always right... that's why CLL always right.

I cut some of the fat for you.

1niksder wrote:Of course if "the Danny" logged on I'm sure BH might been that rule for the 2 of them

It'd be monumental. I'm the people champion.

1niksder wrote:Can't say I like "the Danny" but he is growing on me ( ). Like I point out to CLL it's not about the making money, if it were the Jags or another team that had to stay in the headlines to be profitable. The Skins will make money regardless, so he's making mistakes while trying to win. It's just been too many in such a short time

I'm just pissed about F.A.D....

1niksder wrote:Are saying CLL is a thread Killer

I bring fun!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm just pissed about F.A.D....

I know, you gave the keys to the bandwagon to TRO

That said it all

SkinsFreak wrote:Hey listen, CLL & RiC, I happen to like both you guys, agree that you both have valid points, and I, personally, don't intend to disrespect you or your opinions. Even though I did engage, as RiC pointed out, I was really trying to avoid an argument all together, even though I failed in trying. I know that I'm in the minority when it comes to Snyder. Let's just agree to disagree about Snyder. You can still respond to anything I've said but please know that I attempt to respect your thoughts and ideas and will refrain from attacking you on a personal level. Sorry if you've taken offense to anything I've previously said. I'm becoming very excited about the upcoming season and I think we all have a lot to look forward to. HAIL SKINS!

No problem man.

You will not get a further argument fro me on this issue after this post

The fact that I have been swamped with work here has also prevented me from joining the board fora while. I still have some heavy duty stuff to get rid off before I come back.

Thanks for the thought and peace.