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skinsfan#33 wrote:Great, another chance for the Broncos to give us the short end of the stick in another trade. Why do we always bend over and ask Denver to give it to us in these trades. I would be happy if the Skins and Broncos never traded anything ever again. This even includes saying hello, because Denver would find a way of getting the better of that as well.

So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

frankcal20 wrote:And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

SkinsFreak wrote:

So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

hmm.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:Great, another chance for the Broncos to give us the short end of the stick in another trade. Why do we always bend over and ask Denver to give it to us in these trades. I would be happy if the Skins and Broncos never traded anything ever again. This even includes saying hello, because Denver would find a way of getting the better of that as well.

I don't understand this attitude at all, but everyone seems to share it...

How is this a chance for Denver to rip us off?

(How have they ever ripped us off? We badly wanted Campbell and Rogers so we went all out for their 25th overall pick... and we got Duckett at a pretty fair price.)

The Redskins have ALL the leverage. A top pick Denver covets... and a Broncos player who has loudly proclaimed to amyone who will listen that he badly wishes to play for Washington.

The trades that have been proposed in the news are blue ribbon rip offs in FAVOR of the Redskins... some people are just being silly about the 6th overall pick IMO, especially since I don't think either Gaines Adams or Branch would help right away.

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.

The Broncos are also reportedly talking to the Saints. Other reports say Denver is interested in Washington's first-round pick. The news about Betts is interesting considering Denver just paid big money to Travis Henry. But it's a typical Mike Shanahan move; He's not afraid to acquire an extra quality running back.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Word is that the Broncos are asking for Betts... even with Henry in the fold this just keeps getting better and better. Betts for Bly? What a steal!

gay4pacman wrote:I dont mind the trade with portis/duckett as the thunder and lightning. We would have a filthy secondary. I mean filthy! Rogers, Smoot, Bly, Springs(if he isnt released)

gibbs4president wrote:

gay4pacman wrote:I dont mind the trade with portis/duckett as the thunder and lightning. We would have a filthy secondary. I mean filthy! Rogers, Smoot, Bly, Springs(if he isnt released)

I'm pretty sure TJ Duckett has neither thunder nor lightning...

Redskins Target Broncos' Bly
Club Creates Cap Room by Restructuring Additional Contracts

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page E04

The Washington Redskins, after netting primary free agent targets linebacker London Fletcher and cornerback Fred Smoot, are poised to acquire cornerback Dre' Bly from the Denver Broncos.

The Redskins were $8.4 million under the cap yesterday before re-signing reserve cornerback Ade Jimoh, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

The Redskins completed another sweeping series of contract restructurings to create the cap room, according to sources -- only two new contracts have been announced by the team thus far -- and remain interested in Bly. Washington attempted to get him from Detroit before he was traded to the Broncos.

The Redskins offered Bly a lucrative contract extension during trade talks, numerous NFL sources said, while Denver has been unwilling to compensate him beyond the $4.2 million base salary he has for 2007.

Bly has told numerous past and present teammates of his desire to play for Washington, and several NFL sources believe the Broncos are willing to part with him. Denver was scheduled to have free agent cornerback David Macklin visit yesterday.

The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).

Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.

The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

Should Denver be willing to essentially replace Wilson with Bly in trade talks, the potential for a deal could be high. Also, the Broncos could still make a play for Springs, whom Washington asked to take a $2 million pay cut, or the Redskins could attempt to trade Springs for draft picks if they acquired Bly.

Given Washington's cap standing, and the fact the team could create an addition $4 million in space by cutting injured kicker John Hall and reserve defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn, absorbing Spring's cap charge would not be prohibitive.

The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million.

Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.

gay4pacman wrote:Bly would look great in a skins uni.

DaRealistJoka wrote:London Over Wilson, I pretty sure it was cap reasons.... I hope

WP wrote:The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

everydayAskinsday wrote:does anyone know what a trade for bly would require? i know alot of you are opposed to making such a move but in bly you get a 29 year old corner who has a knack for creating turnovers something we need desperatly and while i love springs and everything hes done he is 31 and has been slowed by injuries his ENTIRE career not just here in washington and if we could get a younger more durable corner i feel we should .. its not only about next year its about the future.. id rather get 3 or 4 years from bly then one more from springs

Snout wrote:

everydayAskinsday wrote:does anyone know what a trade for bly would require? i know alot of you are opposed to making such a move but in bly you get a 29 year old corner who has a knack for creating turnovers something we need desperatly and while i love springs and everything hes done he is 31 and has been slowed by injuries his ENTIRE career not just here in washington and if we could get a younger more durable corner i feel we should .. its not only about next year its about the future.. id rather get 3 or 4 years from bly then one more from springs

I agree. I would add that it does not matter how talented the guy is -- Springs does not have the durability to warrant a $7M cap figure.