Some good points, I love debate, it's a good thing.
SkinzCanes wrote:In your previous post you used the Carter and AA signings to try and show that GW doesn't believe that he can just plug any player into his system and have it work. I was pointing out that at least in the cases of Marshall and Holdman GW thought that he could plug in lesser players and have it succeed. Sorry but when you replace your MLB, the supposed field general of the defense in GW's system, with a player that wasn't even a linebacker in college and had no MLB experience, then to me that shows arrogance on the part of GW and a belief on his part that he could take a player and plug him into his system and have it work.
On AC and AA, my point was that if you don't think players matter, you don't want the team to sign two guys for $30 mil each, you don't address that.
On Pierce, I didn't argue for letting him go. He is a very good player. My point was that believing one player is irreplacable (which he does) simply is not equivalent to saying players don't matter (which he doesn't). Defending Pierce doesn't make it so.
SkinzCanes wrote:Clearly your not a big fan of the Wash Post (neither am I frankly) but I don't think that they make up quotes or lie about sources so I choose to believe them when I read that....."One coach with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution said he doesn't believe Williams told Redskins owner Daniel Snyder that Pierce was irreplaceable. Had he done so, the coach said, Snyder probably would have matched the Giants' offer. 'That one's on Gregg. He got what he wanted,' the coach said." We have done some creative things with the cap before and while I could be wrong (1niksder will I'm sure correct me on this since he knows a lot about the cap) I find it hard to believe that we would have been unable to match NY's offer to Pierce. Even if we couldn't have matched the offer, we had plenty of cap space last offseason and yet GW didn't try to upgrade Marshall at that point, so to me that continues to show GW's arrogance and over-reliance on his system.
On Pierce, I didn't argue for letting him go. He is a very good player. My point was that believing one player is irreplacable (which he does) simply is not equivalent to saying players don't matter (which he doesn't). Defending Pierce doesn't make it so.
SkinzCanes wrote:When was the last season that Springs was healthy for all 16 games?? It was poor planning by GW to not bring in a better 3rd corner. Cb was clearly an area of need during the offseason and it was barely addressed by GW.
I don't think this refutes anything I said, but I agree, though saying to sign a better 3rd corner is easier than identifying who it should be and dealing with the cap, like the Skins have to do.
SkinzCanes wrote:We drafted Rocky but we also resigned Holdman despite his terrible play the season before. GW doesn't start rookies right away so he had to know that Holdman would at least be starting for some part of the season. To me it makes no sense to give a guy like AA a huge contract to play a limited roll yet continue to play a guy like Holdman.
True, doesn't refute anything I said though.
SkinzCanes wrote:Check your facts. Clark's backup or the rookie (Smith) were not even in the conversation before Clark got hurt. When he did the rookie siezed the moment so I'm still not sure how this reflects on Clark's play. He was playing well before he got hurt. He also knew our defense and as Portis said, was the all-time core Redskin. His contract also pales in comparison to the one given to AA.
Not sure I follow how this refutes my point. I didn't say Clark sucked, I said he was overpaid. In other words they could get the same job done cheaper. So when he was injured, they realized they didn't need to pay what they paid Clark for that. If he was worth the money, they would have missed him. They didn't.
SkinzCanes wrote:If he (AA) was signed for those reasons why hasn't he been used that way. I'll grant you that early in the season when Prioleua got hurt he had to cover more than he was apparantly ever meant to. But how come once we signed Vincent and Fox emerged, AA continued sitting on the bench??? The last few weeks, if he was really brought here just to pass rush and play the run, why wasn't he used that way?
I'm very anti AA and it doesn't refute anything I said. I never said GW was perfect and didn't make mistakes. I think AA sucks. I said the point he thinks players don't matter is crap and I believe in him to turn the D around. Deliving into AA again doesn't get to either of those. 1niksder also covered this far better than I can with my level of knowledge of AA, if you want to know more find that forum and ask him if you disagree.
SkinzCanes wrote:Well then go back and check out some quotes from Brunell and Gibbs earlier in the season about the cover 2. The way they talked about it it sounded like some mystical force that just ate up our ability to throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield. There are also other teams that still seem to be able to run the cover 2 without ending up with the 31st ranked defense in the NFL.
I read a lot of Skins news, I don't read it all. I'm not going back and randomly searching for something you claim, I don't remember and don't believe they would say. You want to say Gibbs and Brunell made cover 2 sound like a mystical force, you prove it.
SkinzCanes wrote:Baseless? You're right. I mean our defense tackled just as well as they did last season and Taylor, Marcus, Griffin all played as well as they did last season. What was I thinking? I must also be crazy to think that when a defense as a whole has trouble tackling for an entire season that it has nothing to do with the coaching staff.
Baseless rant
SkinzCanes wrote:I don't care about other players in NFL history, I care about the current players on the roster. And it's not like Rogers just struggled a little this season, he flat out sucked. He played worse than just about every starting corner that I saw play this season. And if he was being properly coached, then how come we heard GW say in the press that Rogers was playing too far off the line of scrimmage, yet the next week and for the rest of the season he kept doing the same thing?
You personally blame the defensive coordinator, GW for second year Rogers struggling this year rather than himself, his learning curve in the NFL, that he lost the #1 CB to work with or his position coaches, go for it. I'm not arguing this isn't GW's personal fault becuase arguing it is is just too silly.
SkinzCanes wrote:If he (McInstosh) had played any earlier could he have actually played any worse than Holdman?? And once we were out of the playoffs there was no reason not to play Rocky, yet GW still waited until after Marcus got hurt to give Rocky some pt. It's also not like our defense was doing so well that a change earlier would've been unreasonable.
Again, Rocky was obviously well prepared since when he came in he played well. You use that he played well to bash GW. I'm not arguing that, it's silly. And he seems prepared to start and develop next year. I consider that a GOOD thing.
SkinzCanes wrote:3rd to 9th to 31st. I guess that's fine by your standards. I think it stinks. Nobody that has a unit ranked second to last and setting NFL lows should keep his job. Under his watch the unit has also gotten worse every season. He inherited many of the players that were on the 3rd ranked D and with increasing input by GW in personnel moves there have been decreasing results.
I didn't say it was fine, I said I think a guy with 2 of 3 top 10 Ds in the ultracompetitive NFL isn't the clueless, arrogant loser you describe.
. I can understand fans being angry and frustrated at the way this season (and past seasons) have gone, but whining (sorry, 'critizing') the media is akin to kicking the dog. If you don't like the media, ignore it.