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Redskins Rule wrote:

JPM36 wrote:I think we are looking at approximately the 5th pick in the draft after this loss, whereas it would've been more like 8th had we won.


Let's all just hope that

A) Alan Branch is still there at #5

and

B) The Redskins have the good sense to draft him.



Tonight's game definitely proved that we need a LOT of help stopping the run and a 331 pound nose tackle is a great way to start.

Just who is Alan Branch? And why should we draft him?

Is he a corner?

Our weakness is at Corner............12 picks all year, 26 or 27 passing touchdowns allowed! So! Who is he?

I think our corner play is directly related to our DL play. You could have 4 Champ Bailey's back there, but if the QB has 45 seconds to spot the open reciever, the WR's are going to get open.

sch1977 wrote:

I think our corner play is directly related to our DL play. You could have 4 Champ Bailey's back there, but if the QB has 45 seconds to spot the open reciever, the WR's are going to get open.

I'm with you. Get yourself a good defensive line, and you can save an awful lot of money in the secondary.

Calvin Johnson is a great player, maybe the best player in the draft, for those of you who want him is crazy. D-Line is the biggest problem, we have to much money in the WR position. Unless he can play Dline we wont draft him. I think DE, because for those of u that watch the game, we had no pass rush and the Giants were running off-tackle plays not up the middle. Alan Branch is a great player though I would not mind having him. But D-End is a must Daniels makes me sick he is a d-tackle to me. I like Woodley a little more than Gaines because he seem to have conditioning problems but it is an easy fix. Woodley also seem to have problems in the run game. But if I would pick it would be Gaines because he is a great pass rusher and plays the run better.

Defense wins championships. Running the ball eat up time. Wide receiver's fast enough to be superhero's guarantee's big play ability.

With that being said, we need to get guys on the dline who can create pressure. We need a CB who can shut down a #1 receiver. We need a packman jones type player (not person). Carlos should come out and play better. I heard he is going to train with Darryl Green in the offseason. Its only time.

Trade down if at all possible. Swap 1st rounders and pick up a 2nd. Again if possible, trade those for 2 more each. We need to start stocking the shelves as quickly as we can.

You cupbord is bare mother hubberd.

"..., when I was growing pot, I realized that the more seeds I planted, the more pot I could ultimately smoke."

Trade down if at all possible. Swap 1st rounders and pick up a 2nd. Again if possible, trade those for 2 more each. We need to start stocking the shelves as quickly as we can.

You cupbord is bare mother hubberd.

That idea is nice in theory. However, there are a few problems with it.

1. We usually tend to get the short end in the trades that we make.

2. Our talent evaluators, especially when it comes to evaluating college players, suck. Unless the front office starts emphasizing the importance of scouting and revamps the scouting department, I'd rather keep the current first rounder because it's harder to screw up.

3. You have to find teams to trade with. Is there really a player available at #6 that teams would be willing to trade up to get? Unless Petersen or Johnson slip, I just don't see it.[/quote]

SkinzCanes wrote:

Trade down if at all possible. Swap 1st rounders and pick up a 2nd. Again if possible, trade those for 2 more each. We need to start stocking the shelves as quickly as we can.

You cupbord is bare mother hubberd.

That idea is nice in theory. However, there are a few problems with it.

1. We usually tend to get the short end in the trades that we make.

2. Our talent evaluators, especially when it comes to evaluating college players, suck. Unless the front office starts emphasizing the importance of scouting and revamps the scouting department, I'd rather keep the current first rounder because it's harder to screw up.

3. You have to find teams to trade with. Is there really a player available at #6 that teams would be willing to trade up to get? Unless Petersen or Johnson slip, I just don't see it.

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Short end: Agree 100% - I would only do it if we can get a mid-late 1st and same w/ 2nd or better. If not- go ahead and make the pick.

Talent evaluation: Agree 100% - But if Danny boy paid 39.99 he could become an ESPN insider which (I think) would get him access to Mel Keipers evaluation.

Seiously - the draft is kind of a crap shoot anyway. Hence the need for more picks. The more picks the better your chance of getting a good player.

Just to be clear, since we sucked so bad and will be giving the 6th pick in the third round to Denver for Ole "Mambe-Pambe", AKA Duckett, we shouldn't owe them a 4th in 08 as well? Should we?

Calvin Johnson? Thats what everyone said about Mike Williams out of USC. You can see what he has done. Stay away from WRs.

we seriously need speed on defense where ever we can get it... on the line, linebackers, corners, safeties, I don't care...

poper2 wrote:Calvin Johnson? Thats what everyone said about Mike Williams out of USC. You can see what he has done. Stay away from WRs.

Oh yeah, Mike Williams was really highly regarded. That's why the redskins passed on him for freakin Carlos Rogers. That's why Braylon Edwards was the first receiver taken that draft. That's why he ran slow as hell at the combine. He was a very high risk prospect and everyone knew it. Calvin is the real deal.

Oh yeah, Mike Williams was really highly regarded. That's why the redskins passed on him for freakin Carlos Rogers. That's why Braylon Edwards was the first receiver taken that draft. That's why he ran slow as hell at the combine. He was a very high risk prospect and everyone knew it. Calvin is the real deal.

And we don't need him. Other teams need Calvin. Pray that he lands to us at pick #6 so that we can trade out of our pick and pick up extra picks from someone else. We need defensive help. We're getting older and less productive all at the same time on that side of the ball. DL and CB are a glaring need. We need a future replacement for OL Jansen and also need some up and coming LB's to eventually replace Marshall in the middle. But the two biggest needs are CB and DL.

i didn't say they should draft him i was sayin he's no mike williams

If the Redskins have a top-10 pick, there is NO scenario possible that should cause them to take any offensive player.

If the Redskins have a top-10 pick, there is NO scenario possible that should cause them to take any offensive player.

We have the 6th pick. Probably woulda had around the 5th or 4th pick if Arizona or Tampa had won their last games.

brad7686 wrote:i didn't say they should draft him i was sayin he's no mike williams

What makes you so sure?? I remember when Me Shawn was the next Jerry Rice. So was Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Desmond Howard (ugh), etc....

sch1977 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:i didn't say they should draft him i was sayin he's no mike williams

What makes you so sure?? I remember when Me Shawn was the next Jerry Rice. So was Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Desmond Howard (ugh), etc....

How many championships would Rice have won if Montana and Young hadn't been there? Zip, Zero, Nada, Zilch! Jerry Rice is the closest thing to a WR worth taking in the top ten and he was a taken at #16. Now how many rings would the Tuna have without LT? LT was more of a difference maker than Rice and he was taken #2 overall. The 49er took Ronnie Lott at #8 and he had as much or more of an impact on the niners than Rice did.

WR Should be that last thing on the Skins' mind come draft day. For every great WR there are 100 bust. For every good WR there are 10 busts!

If someone told me that we could draft a WR that would end up in the HOF or a DT that would get there to. you have to takethe DT!

As the Patriots proved again in the NY Jets game, you certainly don't need top-tier wideouts to be successful. Jabar Gaffney?!? Reche Caldwell?!? We're just fine with Moss, Randel-el, and Lloyd, if he gets his head right. Using our first-rounder on a receiver is very, very dumb. Matt-Millen dumb. Please, Danny, Vinny, and Joe, just say NO to a WR.

Mursilis wrote:As the Patriots proved again in the NY Jets game, you certainly don't need top-tier wideouts to be successful. Jabar Gaffney?!? Reche Caldwell?!? We're just fine with Moss, Randel-el, and Lloyd, if he gets his head right. Using our first-rounder on a receiver is very, very dumb. Matt-Millen dumb. Please, Danny, Vinny, and Joe, just say NO to a WR.

Agreed. A stupid, stupid move. If everybody agreed that Calvin Johnson was the best player in the draft, and he somehow fell to us at number 6, it would still be dumb to take a wide receiver. I don't care if he can also play running back (which we'll obviously need after trading Portis ), tight end and guard, we don't need a wide receiver.

We need a defensive line, we need a linebacker, we need a corner or two.

Everyone always makes fun of the Lions for drafting all those WRs in the first round and yet tehre are people on this board that want us to use the 6th overall pick on a WR when we are already paying big money to no less than 3 WRs of our own??

Do we really want to follow the Lions model for building a football team?


We all know that this team needs to focus on patching up the defense this offseason and a good defense starts with a defensive line.

My Top 3 for the Redskins to draft:

1. Alan Branch, DT, Michigan
2. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
3. Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

RedskinsFreak wrote:If the Redskins have a top-10 pick, there is NO scenario possible that should cause them to take any offensive player.

I'm hugely thinking D also. But when you say "no scenario" what if we lose Dockery and there is a monster O lineman available? I don't know the projectioins well enough, maybe you already know that's not the case. Jansen and Thomas are still good but they are not getting younger. Samuels and Rabach are not extremely young either. Wade last I heard was projected not to stay (wants to start) and we don't have a lot of depth.

I'm also strongly inclined to go D, I'm just offering a consideration O line is the one area I might consider for the right player.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:If the Redskins have a top-10 pick, there is NO scenario possible that should cause them to take any offensive player.

I'm hugely thinking D also. But when you say "no scenario" what if we lose Dockery and there is a monster O lineman available? I don't know the projectioins well enough, maybe you already know that's not the case. Jansen and Thomas are still good but they are not getting younger. Samuels and Rabach are not extremely young either. Wade last I heard was projected not to stay (wants to start) and we don't have a lot of depth.

I'm also strongly inclined to go D, I'm just offering a consideration O line is the one area I might consider for the right player.

I share your concern about the OL, but I think we have a couple of good years left before we need to start replacing anyone, whereas the defense seems to need immediate attention. Good depth signings on the OL will be key, assuming Wade leaves (he may not find a starting gig). I'd say that we can always sign a decent OL with our later draft picks, but we don't ever seem to have any of those.

6'9" 350 anyone? Jarred Gaither, T, Maryland. I'm pretty sure he's a junior, but if he declares, I'd like that young depth on the O-line.

sch1977 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:i didn't say they should draft him i was sayin he's no mike williams

What makes you so sure?? I remember when Me Shawn was the next Jerry Rice. So was Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Desmond Howard (ugh), etc....

Me shawn-slow
Rogers- Psychotic, bad work ethic, injury prone
Terrell-slow, ran bad routes
Desmond Howard-little

Calvin johnson has none of those issues.

It is interesting to see that (IF we keep the #6 pick) some think we will take an offensive playmaker. With what we have and what we need, how can anyone justify taking an offensive playmaker with that pick?

Theoretically I can relate to the thought process that if a player like Calvin Johnson were available and your team needed offensive playmakers that you might consider that - BUT only if you had a different situation than we have - no one in their right mind, with the situation we have here, will spend any time thinking about taking an offensive playmaker with that pick. I am not talking about Gibbs or any of the front office because they have made some terrible mistakes - I am talking about the fans here - how can you say that we should consider an offensive playmaker with the situation we have right now?