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Anybody who can't see that the league has passed gibbs by is totally naive.

brad7686 wrote:Anybody who can't see that the league has passed gibbs by is totally naive.

How did he take a Spurrier team to the playoffs and win a playoff game on the road over a division champion in his second year if the game has "passed him by?"

Mursilis wrote:You want more 'data points'?

Actually I asked exactly what your point is. What are you advocating?

I feel like I'm boxing blindfolded because you are just taking pot shots w/o having actually said what your position is or even clearly what you object to. So, make a point.

BTW, here are some coaches who needed a chance.

Jimmy Johnson matched Gibbs first three years. Two losing seasons, one playoff appearance with a win in the wild card round and a loss in the divisional playoff round. Chuck Knoll and Tom Landry failed to make the playoffs in their first three years.

Chuck Knoll - started with 3 losing seasons, first playoff appearance year 4, won 4 Superbowls
Tom Landry - started with 5 losing seasons, first playoff appearance year 7, went to 5 Superbowls, won 2
Jimmy Johnson - started with 2 losing seasons, won 2 Superbowls
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Mursilis wrote:You want more 'data points'?

Actually I asked exactly what your point is. What are you advocating?

I feel like I'm boxing blindfolded because you are just taking pot shots w/o having actually said what your position is or even clearly what you object to. So, make a point.Jimmy Johnson matched Gibbs first three years. Two losing seasons, one playoff appearance with a win in the wild card round and a loss in the divisional playoff round. Chuck Knoll and Tom Landry failed to make the playoffs in their first three years.

BTW, here are some coaches who needed a chance.



Chuck Knoll - started with 3 losing seasons, first playoff appearance year 4, won 4 Superbowls
Tom Landry - started with 5 losing seasons, first playoff appearance year 7, went to 5 Superbowls, won 2
Jimmy Johnson - started with 2 losing seasons, won 2 Superbowls

That's all well and good, but you're addressing an argument I've never made - that Gibbs has had enough time and needs to be fired. I'm fine with keeping Gibbs; you needn't further convince me.

brad7686 wrote:Anybody who can't see that the league has passed gibbs by is totally naive.

Thankyou for playing. This post is a clear winner of this week's Nitwit Prize for Modern Literature.

I have questioned whether or not the game has passed Gibbs by in numerous threads on this board. But in retrospect, I don't think that the game has passed him by, it's his heart and his fire that is gone. He doesn't have it like he did in the past.

Also, he has taken the "CEO" role too far. He's allowed GW's ego to run out those guys (Clark, Pierce, Smoot, Harris, Stoutmire, even Lavar) that we developed in his defense because he thinks that his defense is a "plug-n-play" one. He has also gotten away from the one thing that his teams were known for in the past, DISCIPLINE.. Too many mental mistakes, too many penalties, allowing Portis to call his own number, etc. He also, has done a poor job of deciding whether he wants his footprint on this offense or Al's....

He needs to get back to being a hard-azz and making the adjustments when necessary, which was a staple of his coaching tenure in Joe Gibbs 1.0...

roybus14 wrote:I have questioned whether or not the game has passed Gibbs by in numerous threads on this board. But in retrospect, I don't think that the game has passed him by, it's his heart and his fire that is gone. He doesn't have it like he did in the past

1) How do you know he has lost his fire?
2) Why did he come back if this is true? He could have stayed retired
3) Why would you expect him 15 years different to manage exactly the same way and why would that indicate any less dedication?
4) If this is true, how did he take us to the playoffs in only his second season ending a long playoff drought and why is he still vowing to fulfill his contract and finish the job of righting our listing ship?

roybus14 wrote:Also, he has taken the "CEO" role too far. He's allowed GW's ego to run out those guys (Clark, Pierce, Smoot, Harris, Stoutmire, even Lavar) that we developed in his defense because he thinks that his defense is a "plug-n-play" one.

1) You must be young. Richie Pettibone was EXACTLY the same. Gibbs gave him total control of the D
2) And why shouldn't he with GW, he's had 2/3 years with top 10 Ds?
3) Do you think LaVar calling the guy paying him $60 mil a liar and endlessly not shutting up and demanding bonuses not in his contract may have had something to do with it? Or that his direct boss, GW, was continually frustrated with his play and lack of development to the point he benched him for large parts of the season?
4) Could the salary cap have had something to do with Smoot? Or maybe he's not as good as you think since he was benched by his current team this year for poor play?
5) Ditto Pierce except the getting benched part. You may recall they left the year before we got the big bump up in cap and we would have been very constrained had we signed them. And remember in both cases we wanted them and other teams paid a lot to pry them away. And both took the money over what we could pay them in those cap years.
6) Maybe Ryan and Harris wouldn't have saved this D as they were solid but not exactly pro-bowlers
7) Stoutmire? You're really stretching pining over a guy we got when he was canned by the Giants.
If GW thinks his D is plug and play, they why did he want to sign 2 players AA, AC for $60 mil? This is a nonsense talking point being picked up and repeated by the poorly informed, like idiotic sports reporters. No NFL coach thinks players don't matter.

roybus14 wrote:He has also gotten away from the one thing that his teams were known for in the past, DISCIPLINE.. Too many mental mistakes, too many penalties, allowing Portis to call his own number, etc. He also, has done a poor job of deciding whether he wants his footprint on this offense or Al's....

He needs to get back to being a hard-azz and making the adjustments when necessary, which was a staple of his coaching tenure in Joe Gibbs 1.0...

This is true, he needs to do this. But if we'd had a better QB and our secondary hadn't been decimated, we would have had a solid shot at the playoffs this year. We lost a lot of close, winnable games. Hopefully JC will solve the QB one, but the secondary's not going to be fixed by between game adjustments.