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This is a reference to you thinking everyone not a liberal is a Republican

Huh. Can't recall me writing that, maybe you could refresh my memory.

and all Republicans are dumb.

I see. Can't recall me writing that, maybe you could refresh my memory.

Since it's a DNC talking point that we are all dumb because we dont' mindlessley repeat what they tell us

Interesting. I'd like to see evidence of this.

ATV wrote:

This is a reference to you thinking everyone not a liberal is a Republican

Huh. Can't recall me writing that, maybe you could refresh my memory.

and all Republicans are dumb.

I see. Can't recall me writing that, maybe you could refresh my memory.

Since it's a DNC talking point that we are all dumb because we dont' mindlessley repeat what they tell us

Interesting. I'd like to see evidence of this.

You play the little liberal game of repeating DNC talking points and all the Republicans you can think of are dumb, but you deny thinking that. And how can I prove it because any statement I go back to you can just say, ok I agree with the DNC on THAT point, how does it prove I agree with them on all? And that Republican is dumb, but that doesn't mean I think they all are.

You can establish the converse easily by rattling off significant positions you just think the DNC is full of kimchi on and some intelligent Republicans. That would be easy, but you won't do it. First I'll have to re-explain what I'm asking because you won't understand the question, then you'll rattle off some Democratic dogma and I'll give up.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

ATV wrote:

This is a reference to you thinking everyone not a liberal is a Republican

Huh. Can't recall me writing that, maybe you could refresh my memory.

and all Republicans are dumb.

I see. Can't recall me writing that, maybe you could refresh my memory.

Since it's a DNC talking point that we are all dumb because we dont' mindlessley repeat what they tell us

Interesting. I'd like to see evidence of this.

You play the little liberal game of repeating DNC talking points and all the Republicans you can think of are dumb, but you deny thinking that. And how can I prove it because any statement I go back to you can just say, ok I agree with the DNC on THAT point, how does it prove I agree with them on all? And that Republican is dumb, but that doesn't mean I think they all are.


You can establish the converse easily by rattling off significant positions you just think the DNC is full of kimchi on and some intelligent Republicans. That would be easy, but you won't do it. First I'll have to re-explain what I'm asking because you won't understand the question, then you'll rattle off some Democratic dogma and I'll give up.

Conservative now has connotations of lying in government, war mongering, racism, torture, destroying civil liberties, fiscal irresponsibiliy, war on the middle class, destroying the environment, etc. What was it again that was so bad about liberals?

crazyhorse1 wrote:Conservative now has connotations of lying in government, war mongering, racism, torture, destroying civil liberties, fiscal irresponsibiliy, war on the middle class, destroying the environment, etc. What was it again that was so bad about liberals?

Here's so bad about the liberals.

Lying in government - Bush lied (when he said what liblerals under Clinton did). Bush lied once, the liberals told the same lie then lied about saying it.

War mongering - Let's see, countries attacked by Bill Clinton - Somalia, Haiti, The Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Serbia.

Racism - Liberals believe we need to discriminate by race and blacks can't make it on their own capabilities but need a handout. They call conservatives racist for believing we should not. Liberals called Clarance Thomas "Uncle Tom" Condie Rice "Aunt Jemima" and advertised in Missouri if you elect a Republican "Another Church will burn." While all liberals didn't do this, all liberals didn't care when liberals did it. Liberals are also sexist for the same reason, no woman can make it on her own, government needs to discriminate on race.

Torture - Liberals support torturers like the Chinese and Islamic extremists and pine for Saddam who do real torture , not play loud music like the Bush administration.

Destroying civil liberties - Liberals support the ubiquitous IRS, greater threat to our privacy by far than all other factors combined. They know what you make, who pays you, about your investments, costs, who you give money too and other financial transactions. Then whine because they can't call Yemen and discuss bomb making as an infringment on their privacy.

Fiscal irresponsibiliy - Support minimum wage which prevents people not worth an arbitrary salary from getting a job, anti-free trade, anti-capitalist, raping the economy with taxes and disincenting achievement. The terms fiscal policy is a non-sequitor with liberal. High taxes hurt the economy and to demonstrat your ignorance of fiscal policy you dont' even know as a percent of our economy our deficits are not high now. You dont' include inflation in talking about "record" gas prices. Yeah, I want liberals for "fiscal responsiblity" like a hole in the head.

War on the middle class - liberals want the middle class under the care of government rather than the opportunity provided by a free market, that'a real war on the middle class.

Destroying the environment - Liberals are destroying the environment by supporting looney extreme positions rather than practical ones. They naively oppose self reliance by banning drilling off our shores, in frozen tundra, building refineries, 30+ local gas blends without realizing that when we don't do it here it's done elsewhere (we live in the same world) AND shipped to us. Liberals whine about greenhouse gasses but oppose zero emissions nuclear power and want to drain the dams.

Etc. - You are correct, there is a lot more wrong with liberals.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Lying in government - Bush lied (when he said what liblerals under Clinton did). Bush lied once

Wow, it's not often I can say I know with 100% certainty a statement is incorrect but this is one of those instances. I know Bush backers who would take issue with that statement.

Liberals support the ubiquitous IRS, greater threat to our privacy by far than all other factors combined.

Judging from the name KazooSkinsFan (Kalamazoo, MI), and comments like the one above, I can say with some confidence that he is probably one of those government fearing Michigan-Militia types. I'd have have more luck sharing a serious conversation with an eggplant.

Fios wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Lying in government - Bush lied (when he said what liblerals under Clinton did). Bush lied once

Wow, it's not often I can say I know with 100% certainty a statement is incorrect but this is one of those instances. I know Bush backers who would take issue with that statement.

You lost me on this one. The whole comment.

"Lying in government - Bush lied (when he said what liblerals under Clinton did). Bush lied once, the liberals told the same lie then lied about saying it."

If you accept the bright eyed bushy tailed liberal's assertion that Bush is a liar, so is Clinton because they said the same thing. Both said Hussein had WMDs. Both advocated "regime change." Both threatened him for not cooperating. Both bombed "WMD facilities." The Democrats continued to repeat Clinton's "lies" during the Bush presidency. So if Bush is a lair, the Democarats are worse for lying first, lying longer, then lying about Bush being the liar.

I think you just missed this one.

BTW, I actually think neither party "lied." I think the US military is just too involved in other people's problems. I don't want our military in the middle east at all. I'll leave the region to the Russians and Europeans. Two major differences between my view and the losers supporting the 2 loser parties.

1) I TRUST our economy to solve our energy problem. I will let oil prices rocket while we explore for local sources and develop alternatives. I believe the short term pain would be higher as we solve the problem and the long term cost lower as we no longer need middle east oil.

2) I don't care about pathetic politicos from the 2 parties pointing fingers at each other when they are both pathetic. They both use the military, they both think government should control energy policy and neither trusts our economy or the american people enough to propose real solutions, mostly which involves less and not more government.

But on this post, I took the short putt of if we ACCEPT the liberal's accusation of Bush, liberals are worse. Sort of like Hillary denying knowing about Monica. If it's false, we wonder what's wrong with her, and if we believe her she is really a fool.

The parties should never say things that make them look worse if we believe them then if we think they are just lying.

Kazoo, shouldn't you spend less time ranting raving, writing the same thing over and over again, and more time out in the woods sharpening your combat skills? How else are you going to defend your home when the IRS and all the colored folks come knocking?

ATV wrote:

Liberals support the ubiquitous IRS, greater threat to our privacy by far than all other factors combined.

Judging from the name KazooSkinsFan (Kalamazoo, MI), and comments like the one above, I can say with some confidence that he is probably one of those government fearing Michigan-Militia types. I'd have have more luck sharing a serious conversation with an eggplant.

Can't we get away from labels (said with a whiney, liberal voice)? I thought you liberals are against those? I was impressed you have heard of Michigan militias though since you didn't know about the Fair Tax, libertarians, Chapaquiddick or the Clarance Thomas Hearings. A step up, good job.

And I agree with that progress you may now be ready to debate the eggplant since it won't bother your arguments with inconvenient facts and point out your logical contradictions.

I think you even have a chance to win debating the eggplant. I mean I wouldn't put money on it, but it could happen.

ATV wrote:Kazoo, shouldn't you spend less time ranting raving, writing the same thing over and over again, and more time out in the woods sharpening your combat skills? How else are you going to defend your home when the IRS and all the colored folks come knocking?

Seriously, don't call me a racist. You have a problem. I've mocked liberals, but personally calling me a racist is smack and uncalled for and I clearly do not have a thin skin.

How about we all agree that ALL POLITICIANS are liars/flip-floppers/power hungry and call it a day? Can't we all just get along?

Can't we all just get along?

Sure, just so as long as I can get the last word.




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The "tit for tat" that this thread has devolved into is mindnumbing, a total waste of written language!

What about the fact I called the upheaval in the congress and Senate a month before it happend?

Now there is somthing worth analyzing.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Conservative now has connotations of lying in government, war mongering, racism, torture, destroying civil liberties, fiscal irresponsibiliy, war on the middle class, destroying the environment, etc. What was it again that was so bad about liberals?

Here's so bad about the liberals.

Lying in government - Bush lied (when he said what liblerals under Clinton did). Bush lied once, the liberals told the same lie then lied about saying it.

War mongering - Let's see, countries attacked by Bill Clinton - Somalia, Haiti, The Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Serbia.

Racism - Liberals believe we need to discriminate by race and blacks can't make it on their own capabilities but need a handout. They call conservatives racist for believing we should not. Liberals called Clarance Thomas "Uncle Tom" Condie Rice "Aunt Jemima" and advertised in Missouri if you elect a Republican "Another Church will burn." While all liberals didn't do this, all liberals didn't care when liberals did it. Liberals are also sexist for the same reason, no woman can make it on her own, government needs to discriminate on race.

Torture - Liberals support torturers like the Chinese and Islamic extremists and pine for Saddam who do real torture , not play loud music like the Bush administration.

Destroying civil liberties - Liberals support the ubiquitous IRS, greater threat to our privacy by far than all other factors combined. They know what you make, who pays you, about your investments, costs, who you give money too and other financial transactions. Then whine because they can't call Yemen and discuss bomb making as an infringment on their privacy.

Fiscal irresponsibiliy - Support minimum wage which prevents people not worth an arbitrary salary from getting a job, anti-free trade, anti-capitalist, raping the economy with taxes and disincenting achievement. The terms fiscal policy is a non-sequitor with liberal. High taxes hurt the economy and to demonstrat your ignorance of fiscal policy you dont' even know as a percent of our economy our deficits are not high now. You dont' include inflation in talking about "record" gas prices. Yeah, I want liberals for "fiscal responsiblity" like a hole in the head.

War on the middle class - liberals want the middle class under the care of government rather than the opportunity provided by a free market, that'a real war on the middle class.

Destroying the environment - Liberals are destroying the environment by supporting looney extreme positions rather than practical ones. They naively oppose self reliance by banning drilling off our shores, in frozen tundra, building refineries, 30+ local gas blends without realizing that when we don't do it here it's done elsewhere (we live in the same world) AND shipped to us. Liberals whine about greenhouse gasses but oppose zero emissions nuclear power and want to drain the dams.

Etc. - You are correct, there is a lot more wrong with liberals.

Where to begin. Ah, here.

I am a liberal and do not oppose nuclear power or want to drain dams or ban drilling offshore, nor do I have a looney position (like letting deer run wild) that will hurt the environment.

Further, I don't want the middle class under the care of the government or oppose the free enterprise system.

The minimum wage is a disgrace and everyone knows it, even conservatives who support slave labor abroad and at home.

As a liberal I don't want to raise taxes. I want to lower taxes on 90% of the population, the less powerful 90% who can pay to have legislations passed that gives them keys to the kingdom.

As a fiscally responsible liberal and also know about our current deficit, which is a scandal, our reliance on borrowed foreign capital, and
the other absolute incredible financial problems caused by this conservative administration. I support a pay as you go approach, in so far as possible, rather than borrowing billions to spend, spend, spend.

As a liberal I naturally hate all loss of civil liberties as well as the IRS, I note that conservatives are on a record tear of wrecking civil liberties and using the IRS to help do so, as well as using it for giveaways to the wealthy who buy legislation from them and gave them the Presidency.

As a liberal I am against torture, everywhere, even torture conducted by American conservatives abroad, and naturally hate Saddam and everything his conservative government stood for. I was opposed to the first Bush administration arming Saddam to massacre Kurds and Iranians.

As a liberal I note that I am scorned by conservatives because I support equality for women and blacks. Frankly, I don't believe there are masses of white heroes of the workforce out there who are victims of society's favortism toward blacks and women. I think it usually works the other way.

Fighting wars for good causes is not war mongering. War mongering is fighting elective wars when you want to, especially if you make up reasons for doing it while not so secretly trying to rule the world.
Bush hasn't lied once, He lies about absolutely everything day after day. No human being I know of has ever been caught by so many in so many lies as has Bush.

Apparently, you know little about liberals or what they stand for. It's like you grew up in Neverland thinking Jews had tails. You are dealing in ludicrous, hysterical fantasy, probably based on some infantile fear build into you by people who didn't get out much.

Cappster wrote:How about we all agree that ALL POLITICIANS are liars/flip-floppers/power hungry and call it a day? Can't we all just get along?

Gandhi, Churchill, Lincoln, William Wallace, Obama, Washington, Queen Elizabeth I, Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, Joan of Arc, Tom Joad, William Bradford, Nathaniel Bacon, Eugene Debs, Judge Deborah, Yoda, Lynn Swann,
Davy Crockett, Andrew Jackson, Mark Warner, Jim Webb, Tim Kaine.

crazyhorse1 wrote: It's like you grew up in Neverland thinking Jews had tails.

crazyhorse1 wrote:It's like you grew up in Neverland thinking Jews had tails.

So after your sermon, you call me anti-semetic. I said nothing about Israel or the Jewish faith. True to form for a loser liberal. If we don't think what you do we are racist, sexist anti-semites. Nice point.

You are dealing in ludicrous, hysterical fantasy, probably based on some infantile fear build into you by people who didn't get out much.

Nicely put. More likely, or at least in addition, he is a product of the Faux News spin machine.

Hey, take a look at what those evil liberals are up to now....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/18/ ... index.html

The Republicans in charge of Congress. Sigh, it came and went so fast. What a pity. Somewhere out there Duke Cunningham is crying in his cell.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Cappster wrote:How about we all agree that ALL POLITICIANS are liars/flip-floppers/power hungry and call it a day? Can't we all just get along?

Gandhi, Churchill, Lincoln, William Wallace, Obama, Washington, Queen Elizabeth I, Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, Joan of Arc, Tom Joad, William Bradford, Nathaniel Bacon, Eugene Debs, Judge Deborah, Yoda, Lynn Swann,
Davy Crockett, Andrew Jackson, Mark Warner, Jim Webb, Tim Kaine.

I take offense to that. Yoda is one of my heroes.

Irn-Bru wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Cappster wrote:How about we all agree that ALL POLITICIANS are liars/flip-floppers/power hungry and call it a day? Can't we all just get along?

Gandhi, Churchill, Lincoln, William Wallace, Obama, Washington, Queen Elizabeth I, Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, Joan of Arc, Tom Joad, William Bradford, Nathaniel Bacon, Eugene Debs, Judge Deborah, Yoda, Lynn Swann,
Davy Crockett, Andrew Jackson, Mark Warner, Jim Webb, Tim Kaine.

I take offense to that. Yoda is one of my heroes.

Joe Momma

Cappster wrote:Joe Momma

What about my momma?

joebagadonuts wrote:

Cappster wrote:Joe Momma

What about my momma?

She is a bigot

ATV wrote:More likely, or at least in addition, he is a product of the Faux News spin machine.

You set a strong example for a free thinker who's not a product of spin. Repeat DNC talking points and call anyone who thinks differently then you a racist. I'll keep that in mind.

Let's see if you can actually address a real question.

You "didn't see anything" you disagreed with the DNC on. Yet inicate you are not the product of spin despite that you agree with them on every issue. We can therefore agree you are a Democrat and a liberal and disagree on whether agreeing with them on every issue is an indication of being a product of spin or not.

You say I am a "product of the Faux News spin machine" yet I am clearly not a Democrat, Republican, liberal or conservative and I'm not in agreement with the Libertarian party. In fact I don't agree across the board with anyone.

So can you coherently address how I am a product of someone's spin when you can't tie my politics across the board cleanly to any Party or group? I doubt it, but I'm not going to trade insults with you and let you get out of ever saying anything anymore. So put up some content.


BTW, thank you for the complement of looking for all my posts and commenting on them. Your obsession with commenting on everying I say clearly demonstrates the importance you attach to my views. Though I'm glad you don't know my home address, you're approaching stalker status. Particularly when you even started a thread on my quote inviting you to enjoy debate rather than shutting it down by things like only advocating DNC talking points and calling people racist for disagreeing with you.

call anyone who thinks differently then you a racist

I did?

You "didn't see anything" you disagreed with the DNC on. Yet inicate you are not the product of spin despite that you agree with them on every issue

As I've already explained, this country has been taken to the Right ever since the early 1980s. So naturally, someone who had slightly left-of-center views back then would now be more mainstream Left. Also, as I've already offered, your welcome to demonstrate official DNC "talking points" so that I determine where I might differ.

We can therefore agree...blah blah blah

Who can? You can?

you're approaching stalker status.

This should give you something to talk about in your militia meeting tonight.

ATV wrote:

call anyone who thinks differently then you a racist

I did?

You did.

You called me a racist (afraid of "darkies" at the door) in a conversation we were not discussing race and you complemented your mindless liberal friend who called me an anti-Semite (think Jews have tails) in a conversation that didn't involve Judism or Jews in any way. You both pulled it out of your posterior and that's why I stopped debating you both. The thing is you keep following me around TheHogs obsessed with me so you're harder to avoid.

I've talked about your vacuous arguments and lack of knowledge on a variety of issues, but that's different then calling someone a racist in a conversation not even about race because you're not doing so well in the debate.