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Aaron Brooks had a better passer rating today!! Aaron "I was cut by the SAINTS!!" Brooks!!!

Mursilis wrote:1. Brunell isn't getting it done. He's actually 13-15 as a starter, so I don't get why some people are so strong on him. Sure, last year he was solid at times, but he also showed he can be maddeningly inconsistent. And he's only getting older.

I think people are strong on Brunell because he led us into the playoffs last year.

Mursilis wrote:2. We'll never know on Campbell until we play him. Benching a no. 1 pick for two years in a row is a waste of a draft pick, pure and simple. I can't think of a single player from the first round of '05 who's played less than JC has. Even Aaron Rogers has had some playtime.

"We" won't know how Campbell will perform until he plays. . .but the coaches aren't included in that "we." They've got a much better understanding of what is going on.

If Campbell doesn't play for 3-4 years even (which we'd probably both agree won't happen), but still comes around with a solid 10 year career with the Skins, no one will ever think that he was a waste of a draft pick.

I still don't see any reason to think that Campbell is going to perform better now than Brunell (the issue seems to be with the offense as a whole). Perhaps Gibbs will make the switch this week, and then we'll get to see if Campbell can help make it happen. Who knows?

It's obvious I'm not referring to the points scored or points given up as "birght spots", CT. If you didn't see them, iit might be YOU the one who's wearing the blinders, as you are not seeing the bigger picture. :twocents:

The only brighspots today were our special teams. Frost and Hall actually looked decent and so did the return game. As for any other bright spots you must be joking. Offense and defense were both a disaster. No blocking, no running game, no passing game, and a pathetic excuse for a qb. On defense, less pressure than last week, tackling as bad if not worse, same with the coverage. We got worse from last week to this week.

What is the point of speding all this money on weapons if we can't get the ball into their hands.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Champsturf wrote:More bright spots than last week? How many points did our O score this week? How many last week?

It's obvious I'm not referring to the points scored or points given up as "bright spots", CT. If you didn't see them, iit might be YOU the one who's wearing the blinders, as you are not seeing the bigger picture.

Keep your two cents unless you're actually planning on describing these bright spots. Other than special teams, what would the bright spots be? Fewer penalties? More offensive scoring? Better pass defense? Better run defense? Better QB play? Nonexistent WRs?

Champsturf wrote:Sorry man, but I've already turned 36 and could care a less. It doesn't change the way I do my job at all. your food for thought sucks and should be thrown out with our garbage, Brunell.

THink what's you'd like about my comments, or about Brunell. All I know is, i will sleep easy tonight, as I won't be dwelling on the coulda, shoulda, wouldas of last night's game. I know we got a tough road ahead at 0-2, but I'm excited about seeing the character of this team come through in the next few weeks, as we fight to go 1-2, 2-2, and finally break into .500. Now THAT will be awesome to witness!!!

If Campbell doesn't play for 3-4 years even (which we'd probably both agree won't happen), but still comes around with a solid 10 year career with the Skins, no one will ever think that he was a waste of a draft pick.

If he doesn't play for 3-4 years he wont be a Redskin. If Campbell doesn't go into camp next year as a starter then he is going to ask for a trade, make no mistake about it.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

Champsturf wrote:Sorry man, but I've already turned 36 and could care a less. It doesn't change the way I do my job at all. your food for thought sucks and should be thrown out with our garbage, Brunell.

THink what's you'd like about my comments, or about Brunell. All I know is, i will sleep easy tonight, as I won't be dwelling on the coulda, shoulda, wouldas of last night's game. I know we got a tough road ahead at 0-2, but I'm excited about seeing the character of this team come through in the next few weeks, as we fight to go 1-2, 2-2, and finally break into .500. Now THAT will be awesome to witness!!!

And yet again, you won't tell me what saw that was better...keep on smokin' it.

Irn-Bru wrote:"We" won't know how Campbell will perform until he plays. . .but the coaches aren't included in that "we." They've got a much better understanding of what is going on.

If Campbell doesn't play for 3-4 years even (which we'd probably both agree won't happen), but still comes around with a solid 10 year career with the Skins, no one will ever think that he was a waste of a draft pick.

I still don't see any reason to think that Campbell is going to perform better now than Brunell (the issue seems to be with the offense as a whole). Perhaps Gibbs will make the switch this week, and then we'll get to see if Campbell can help make it happen. Who knows?

Well I suppose you're saying its a waste of time to make judgements on anything the Redskins should be doing unless we're a member of the coaching staff. This is a fine position to take, but allow some of us to disagree with this perspective. Aside from the obvious fact that it would make discussions significantly more boring, coaches actually do make mistakes on occaision. Gibbs in particular readily admits to making mistakes all the time.

Some here (myself included) clearly believe that Brunell has nothing left in the tank. Whether or not the Redskins coaching staff agrees with us or not, this is still a valid perspective - one which is very defensible by looking at his performance, and one which all three announcers, incidentally agree with.

SkinzCanes wrote:

If Campbell doesn't play for 3-4 years even (which we'd probably both agree won't happen), but still comes around with a solid 10 year career with the Skins, no one will ever think that he was a waste of a draft pick.

If he doesn't play for 3-4 years he wont be a Redskin. If Campbell doesn't go into camp next year as a starter then he is going to ask for a trade, make no mistake about it.

Possibly. He's only under contract for 5 years anyway. If he thinks Gibbs won't play anyone under 35 at QB, I could easily see him hitting the road when his rookie contract runs out. If Jason is any sort of competitor at all, it's got to burn him to be benched behind someone playing so poorly.

No offense RedeemedSkin... but I'd rather my team not have to be just barely climbing to .500 after the first month and 1/4 of the season is already played.

Will I be happy? Sure I will. But if its all the same to you, I'd rather our team not be in this position and instead be already winning.

Alas, my wishes have not been granted.

As a fellow believer in JC (yes THAT one) I know the old adage that God answers all prayers, sometimes the answer is "no". I just wish the answer was "yes" more often !!!

Mursilis wrote:

SkinzCanes wrote:

If Campbell doesn't play for 3-4 years even (which we'd probably both agree won't happen), but still comes around with a solid 10 year career with the Skins, no one will ever think that he was a waste of a draft pick.

If he doesn't play for 3-4 years he wont be a Redskin. If Campbell doesn't go into camp next year as a starter then he is going to ask for a trade, make no mistake about it.

Possibly. He's only under contract for 5 years anyway. If he thinks Gibbs won't play anyone under 35 at QB, I could easily see him hitting the road when his rookie contract runs out. If Jason is any sort of competitor at all, it's got to burn him to be benched behind someone playing so poorly.

No kidding. you think our wideouts were mad? Could you IMAGINE being in Campbells shoes while tonight's game was going on? He's got to be itching to get in there, even moreso now.

A key thing to look for is if he is no longer listed as the "emrgency" QB in the future games this year...

skinsfanno9 wrote:Well I suppose you're saying its a waste of time to make judgements on anything the Redskins should be doing unless we're a member of the coaching staff. This is a fine position to take, but allow some of us to disagree with this perspective. Coaches actually do make mistakes on occaision. Gibbs in particular readily admits to making mistakes all the time.

You're attributing a few things to me here. A couple points:

* Disagree with my perspective all you want. . .when did I ever act like people couldn't disagree with me? Just don't be surprised if Brunell apologists still have a word or two to say

* When did I ever say that Gibbs doesn't make mistakes?

* I don't put much stock in TV announcers. . .especially Michaels

* I have little reason to think that Brunell has nothing left in the tank. That's a very broad generalization about a man who's proven the same accusation wrong in the past.

Brunell has looked very much like the Brunell of 2004 who didnt make it through the whole season and who couldnt throw a 10 yard out. I would give him the houston game, and if they can't get anything going against Houston, then I think it is time for #17.

Irn-Bru - I respect your opinion and hope you are right (although I believe you aren't about Brunell). Yes, he's somewhat proven people wrong in the past, but at some point the guy really isn't going to have anything left in the tank. I think this might be that time.


I could not be happier to be wrong however... I just want to win baby !!!

A couple of things that they just mentioned on Sportstalk 980. After one of Boonell's incompletions Moss was seen kicking a pylon. Are the wideout losing faith in Boonell? They also were wondering if Boonell's height is an issue. They mentioned that in the last few seasons Boonell has been rolling out a lot more than he does in Saunders' system. I could see that as possibly being a reason for him not picking out his receivers but that doesn't excuse his noodle arm.

Irn-Bru wrote:[* I have little reason to think that Brunell has nothing left in the tank. That's a very broad generalization about a man who's proven the same accusation wrong in the past.

You wouldn't happen to know Brunell's record as a starter for the Redskins, would you? 'Cause if it was say, 13-15 or something like that, perhaps his "comebacks" haven't been all that terrific. If the QB is continually needing to come back from dreadful runs (not just dreadful games), perhaps its time to look at QBs who have the potential to look good for more than 3-4 games at a stretch.

Regarding those who always say that Gibbs sees MB and JC every day, and wants to play MB - does anyone really think JC actually had a chance in training camp to win the No. 1 spot, given that Gibbs has said he prefers veterans, especially at QB? As much as I wanted JC to be the starter, I never believed anyone but Brunell would be the starter coming out of the preseason, unless he was injured. I don't believe anyone can say Brunell "won" the job in camp, because he was the only one actually considered for it anyway.

I think Boonell's next test will be against Jacksonville. As much as I hate him and think he sucks I expect him to have a decent game against the Texans, seeing as how they have what is likely the NFL's worse defense. The Jaguars really got after Bledsoe in week 1 and if Boonell posts another performace like tonight I don't see how Gibbs could still keep him as the starter.

Brunell looked awful tonight. Just awful. I'm not sure Campbell's the answer, but I think he might be the future.....

SkinzCanes wrote:I think Boonell's next test will be against Jacksonville. As much as I hate him and think he sucks I expect him to have a decent game against the Texans, seeing as how they have what is likely the NFL's worse defense. The Jaguars really got after Bledsoe in week 1 and if Boonell posts another performace like tonight I don't see how Gibbs could still keep him as the starter.

According to NFL.com, the Texans officially have the league's worst defense. Unfortunately, they'll probably make Brunell look good.

ChrisHanburger wrote:Brunell looked awful tonight. Just awful. I'm not sure Campbell's the answer, but I think he might be the future.....

Considering how bad the present looks, I say we take a chance on entering the future earlier than planned...

SkinzCanes wrote:I think Boonell's next test will be against Jacksonville. As much as I hate him and think he sucks I expect him to have a decent game against the Texans, seeing as how they have what is likely the NFL's worse defense. The Jaguars really got after Bledsoe in week 1 and if Boonell posts another performace like tonight I don't see how Gibbs could still keep him as the starter.

You did see 2004, right? That's how Gibbs could start him again...absolute blind faith. I have NO idea how good Cambell is/could be, but we do need to look at the future, rather than holding on to the past. Brunell is done...period.

skinsfanno9 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:[* I have little reason to think that Brunell has nothing left in the tank. That's a very broad generalization about a man who's proven the same accusation wrong in the past.

You wouldn't happen to know Brunell's record as a starter for the Redskins, would you? 'Cause if it was say, 13-15 or something like that, perhaps his "comebacks" haven't been all that terrific.

Usually I don't think 13-15 when I think of Brunell's record as a starter for the Redskins. I generally think of 10-6 + a playoff win.


Right now I might think of 0-2, but so what? With 14 games to go, a lot can still happen.