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JPM36 wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

JPM36 wrote:Sellers caught a lot of passes near the goal line out of the back field but rarely did he take a carry into the end zone from short. He was not much of a short yardage RUNNER last season.

1 carry - 1 TD

But dont you think the coaches would have given him more than 1 goal line carry last year if they thought he was a good option there?

Have some faith in Joe Gibbs. He knows a lot more than you or I do.

Sellers career:
9 years
85 games
12 starts
2 carries
3 yards

What does this tell you? If he were a good short yardage ball carrier, don't you think that some coach in 9 years would have figured this out?

I don't like this trade at all. Sure it's nice to have Duckett but I don't think that he is much of an upgrade over what we have. But most of all I'm upset because once again we've managed to trade away a draft pick. So now we don't have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick next season. It's no wonder that we a have a depth problem when we are constantly trading away picks. There are very good players to be had in those rounds and I just don't understand why out front office/coaches don't value draft picks more.

Saw this on Foxsports

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5896526

One other thing about this trade.....we don't really need a short yardage/goal line back. I could be mistaken but I don't remember any backs other than Priest Holmes getting goalline carries when Saunders was with KC. Holmes and Portis are pretty much the same size so I dont envision too many scenarios in which we are going to be needing to bring in Duckett (or any other back) for short yardage purposes.

Lets not forget that this is all pending that all players pass their physicals on Wednesday. I think that they will I just noticed how this was missed in posts. One thing to remember is that Betts doesn't hit the hole hard. One thing about Duckett is he is a TD Machine. He has been in the league for 4 or 5 years and has 31 TD's. Thats a hell of a lot better than Betts. I want to see us win. I don't really care about giving up mid round pick if he produces. The NFL is a gamble. This guy is proven and a guy in the draft hasn't proved anything. Look at all the guys who were 1st round picks and have failed in the NFL. Just an observation. I just want us to be able to pick up the short yards. Don't forget about how good Saunders uses 2 RB's. I think that Betts may end up getting traded.

SkinzCanes wrote:One other thing about this trade.....we don't really need a short yardage/goal line back. I could be mistaken but I don't remember any backs other than Priest Holmes getting goalline carries when Saunders was with KC. Holmes and Portis are pretty much the same size so I dont envision too many scenarios in which we are going to be needing to bring in Duckett (or any other back) for short yardage purposes.

I'd like to see a short yardage specialist to take save some wear & tear on CP. At the start of camp I was hoping that rock, Manny or Nemo would fill that role. Now it looks like it's TJ. He has the track record in this area. He had 8 rushing TD's last year. Betts has 5 in his career.

It's pretty awesome that the skins got the 3 best backs from the 2002 draft all on the same team. I love Betts but I could definately see him being traded soon for o'line depth. Either way, awesome trade for the skins.

I still think that a 3rd rounder was too much to give up for a player that is going to be a backup and likely only a 1 year loaner. Just look back at our last two 3rd round picks and how important they are to the team right now....Derrick Dockery and Chris ey.

yea i think betts is gone for some depth....and i love Portis, but something tells me that injury is gonna be chronic...and remeber we sucked at goal line situations Portis didnt bust out td's till the San Fran game, we constantly had to throw to sellers cuz we had practically NO goalline production

notwhy26 wrote:yea i think betts is gone for some depth....and i love Portis, but something tells me that injury is gonna be chronic...and remeber we sucked at goal line situations Portis didnt bust out td's till the San Fran game, we constantly had to throw to sellers cuz we had practically NO goalline production

I agree.

Duckett will punch it in from the 1 or 2 yard line.

Also, he gives us a great option when we have a 3rd and 2 or 3rd in 3. In the past we'd always do a risky rollout in these situations, now we have a big, tough back who can run for it.

DiRTyHoG3026 wrote:It's pretty awesome that the skins got the 3 best backs from the 2002 draft all on the same team. I love Betts but I could definately see him being traded soon for o'line depth. Either way, awesome trade for the skins.

I think some fans of Foster & Westbrook might dispute this. In fact, some who aren't fans of either might dispute this.

This trade is awesome. Duckett is exactly what we need. He is a true power runner. This is by far the best 1-2 punch in the NFL.

JPM36 wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

JPM36 wrote:Sellers caught a lot of passes near the goal line out of the back field but rarely did he take a carry into the end zone from short. He was not much of a short yardage RUNNER last season.

1 carry - 1 TD

But dont you think the coaches would have given him more than 1 goal line carry last year if they thought he was a good option there?

Have some faith in Joe Gibbs. He knows a lot more than you or I do.

Dude, I have all the faith in the world in Joe Gibbs. It was your assessment of Sellers that I hold no stock in.

Next years mid round draft picks are not going to help us this year.

What if Portis' shoulder doesn't hold up and Betts gets injured in week 1?
( With Betts' injury history, he might pull his hamstring putting his cleats on).

Even if we carry 4 backs plus 2 FBs, we would have Rock and Nemo or Lumsden to carry us through the season and hopefully into the post season. Sellers and White as well. That's IF we carry that many backs. This is QUALITY depth. Starting caliber depth. I like it.

Gibbs likes extreme depth at every position. After our WR concerns at the end of last year, he wasn't going to let it happen at RB this year.

If they all stay healthy, it reminds me of a team that had 4 RBs......
Byner, Riggs, Ervins, Mitchell = Portis, Duckett, Betts, Rock

Don't forget Sellers is our starting fullback in the new offense. If he carries the rock, who plays fullback? And until CP is back in the lineup, we don't know how serious his shoulder injury might be in the long run. This move eases the pressure to get him back on the field too early. Living in the Atlanta area, I don't think the move will be popular with Falcon's faithful - Duckett is a well liked plalyer the fans always see the upside in and see him one day evolving into a Gerald Riggs type of back, even though he's found a niche as a change of pace back and never shown the elusiveness to be a 25-30 carry a game kind of guy. I can't wait to see Duckett in Burgundy and Gold - he'll fit right in.

FYI: Part of this thread was moved to Smack

Wow, I left for one day and this is what happens?

I love this acquisition. For as long as I've been here I've complained about not having a power back. I can now cross that off of my list.

Like I said in an earlier thread. Betts gets 1/3 of the carries and is injured 2x as much as Portis. I think its time to let the cat go. He's good when healthy but thats never for long. He's not reliable in that sense.

I see the depth chart like this.

1. CP/Ducket
2. Ducket/CP
3. Rock
* Betts = trade fodder or we use him this year and let him get picked up somewhere else


http://youtube.com/watch?v=DvgQDM5433U&mode=related&search=

Look at this clip and tell me that you are not hyped about this cat?

Clinton may end up being our 3rd or 4th best receiver this year. Id love to see a 3 WR set with both Duckett and CP in the backfield.

air_hog wrote:Personally I DON'T like this move.

There are parts of me that dont either but we have to focus on the good stuff. It took me a while to sit and think about it all.

air_hog wrote:Here's why: Sure Duckett is good, but Sellers, Rock, Ladell (and I wonder what this means for Jesse...) are an excellent group of RB depth.

Sellers and Rock are listed at FB I believe. At least Sellers is. Rock could be a backup FB by adding back the weight he dropped. Jesse still has a chance on the practice squad.

air_hog wrote:And quite frankly, I'm getting kind of sick of trading away all our draft picks. I mean, there are always good players still around in the 3rd+4th Rounds of the draft, but we always miss out on them because we never have 3/4 round picks.

This pisses me off too. It always has and will. I believe this is what hurts our depth. We never draft cheap young talent to fill our depth holes. Its not that we can't find anyone, its that we dont look.

air_hog wrote:And what ever happened to all this , "Ladell is so good" talk by Saunders. If in fact it was a way to try and trade, him it all got lushed away now that we are super deep at RB.

It doesn't matter if he can't stay healthy.

air_hog wrote:I don't know why, but I am really disapointed in the organization for making this move just becuase Rock and Sellers and all those guys bring great enthusiasm and energy to the team on teams and what not, and this is like a slap in the face to them.

Its more of a smack to Rock than Sellers. Its definately a smack to Betts and a let down for Jesse. But....on the other hand...

Neither Rock or Betts have done SQUAT in the preseason games. Betts cant stay healthy enough to show us anything. Rock has been average at best against vanilla preseason defenses.

air_hog wrote:Plus, now the Skins will probably pull CP from goal-line situations and he's on my fantasy team!

Looking at the stats for both back and they are really close...

Ladell vs TJ

Betts Vitals
Height: 5-10
Weight: 223
Born: 08/27/1979
College: Iowa
NFL Experience: 5
Contract Status: Last year

TJ’s Vitals
Height: 6-0
Weight: 254
Born: 02/17/1981
College: Michigan State
NFL Experience: 5
Contract Status: Last year

Bottom Line: Duckett is bigger and younger


Rookie Year:
Betts
G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
11 0 65 307 4.7 27 1 4 13
Duckett
12 3 130 507 3.9 33 4 1 28

Bottom Line: Duckett played more started a few games as a rookie and reached the endzone more often

Year 2:
Betts
G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
9 1 77 255 3.3 13 2 0 15
Duckett
16 10 197 779 4.0 55 11 5 39

Bottom Line: Duckett build on his rookie year improving in EVERY category, Betts regressed in most.

Year 3:
G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
16 1 90 371 4.1 27 1 2 19
Duckett
13 0 104 509 4.9 35 8 6 30

Bottom Line: Betts showed more of what he had showed on year one and Duckett had his least productive year

Last Year:
Betts
G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
12 0 89 338 3.8 22 1 1 17
Duckett
14 0 121 380 3.1 25 8 1 24

Bottom Line: The 2004 trend continued for both Backs


IMO Duckett is a bigger, younger Betts. Both are in the last year of their contracts.

So why trade for him and still keep Betts? Because of Betts... a week ago it was talk of him getting a extention, what happen to that? Maybe the Skins felt he was asking too much or weren't sure. They bring in a back in the same boat and let them compete. If they show enough they can be signed during the season and can push each other in practice. If the Skins like them both, they've got a whole season to decide whitch one to throw the money at.

I don't really understand the trade but I don't not like it.

Duckett will help CP save wear and tear on his body. Especially his shoulder. Remember in short yardage a back will lead with his head and shoulders and take multiple hits on same. CP will last longer this year by not taking the short yardage abuse.

Two words: Gerald. Riggs. Go look it up.

Warmother wrote:Duckett will help CP save wear and tear on his body. Especially his shoulder. Remember in short yardage a back will lead with his head and shoulders and take multiple hits on same. CP will last longer this year by not taking the short yardage abuse.

Exactly, and for them to bring TJ in means that the coaches haven't been too impressed or arent secure with Betts and/or Rock.

Betts could probally flourish in this system but he's not going to make in past week 4.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Warmother wrote:Duckett will help CP save wear and tear on his body. Especially his shoulder. Remember in short yardage a back will lead with his head and shoulders and take multiple hits on same. CP will last longer this year by not taking the short yardage abuse.

Exactly, and for them to bring TJ in means that the coaches haven't been too impressed or arent secure with Betts and/or Rock.

Betts could probally flourish in this system but he's not going to make in past week 4.

The fact that Jesse and Ladell were unavailable when CP went down didn't help, then we lost Carter had something to do with this also.

so i guess CP will march it down the field for duckett to punch it in. if CP does complain, then the obvious answer would be, just run it in from 60 yds out like you did on every other carry when you were in denver.

If you guys look at the video I posted on the previous page you'll see that this cat is NOT slow. He's beating people to the edges on sweeps. He's blowing past safeties.

And best of all.

He PUNISHES WHOMEVER HE COMES IN CONTACT WITH!!!

Goodness yes! Im sooo pumped we have a big back now!

Id almost let him start the games. Let him wear down the defense. Bring CP with a fresh set of wheels and they wont be able to touch him, thus saving his shoulder.

Do you guys think he's going to play this week? I HOPE!