U.N. Resolutions - Do They Work?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:04 pm

We are at war with Islam

Can't agree with that, my friend. We are at war with Islamacists, individuals who have perverted Islam so that they can feel justified in murder for murder's sake.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:06 pm

yupchagee wrote: It can be argued that this a war over lans because Moslems want ALL land, everywhere on earth.

This post is one of the most ignorant posts ever made. If you look at only one nation being the only nation who wants to conquer the world the ONLY answer is America. It is the U.S. who has spread their web across many nations. They have invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and now possibly Iran and North Korea. They have influenced and helped create tensions and the impeading war in Palestine. America has raped Africa with the notion of salvery and butchered the rightful owners of this nation the Native Americans and conquered the land and still till this day live in it. Man you need a history lesson real bad.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:14 pm

yupchagee wrote:We are at war with Islam

Nevermind this is the most ignorant post made. With that one statement it goes to prove that no matter what happens....you are anti-Islam. God himself can try to prove you wrong and you wouldn't accept.

If this became a religious war as you so desperatly hope what makes you think that would be a good thing. The only countries who would possibly ally with America are the Brits, Jews, and France.

South America does not worship America from what I hear Latinos and Spanards despise American policy. Eastern Europe is in the same boat my friend. Russia has been begging for the day to dethrone America and reclaim its power. Asia will try to dethrone us as well...you don't think China is really our friend do you? Don't even get me started on Africa...we already know that Africans have every right to despise America. Oh and then there is the 1.5 billion and growing Muslims you would have to deal with.

He became convinced that God was calling him to engage the forces of evil in battle.

"We are in a conflict between good and evil. And America will call evil by its name,"

Looks like Islam is in a war with America and Christianity by what Bush said huh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2921345.stm

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:44 pm

The only countries who would possibly ally with America are the Brits, Jews, and France.

... "jews"? A country? No agenda HERE, now, is there?

Don't even get me started on Africa...we already know that Africans have every right to despise America.

Care to enlighten us? I would suggest that you do some real research before you go there.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:48 pm

Countertrey wrote:
The only countries who would possibly ally with America are the Brits, Jews, and France.

... "jews"? A country? No agenda HERE, now, is there?

Are "Brits" a country? No it's not...so how come you didn't mention that or maybe you didn't see it. Oh wait let me guess I also had an "agenda" when I said Brits too huh? Now you're just reaching.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:54 pm

dnpmakkah wrote:
yupchagee wrote:We are at war with Islam

Nevermind this is the most ignorant post made. With that one statement it goes to prove that no matter what happens....you are anti-Islam. God himself can try to prove you wrong and you wouldn't accept.

Take your head out of the sand! Islam has declared war on the rest of the world. Read the rest of my post for some of the examples. I realize that this isn't politically correct, unfortunately, it is true. I'm not saying that Islam MUST be at war with us, but for the last several decades they have been.

If this became a religious war as you so desperatly hope what makes you think that would be a good thing. The only countries who would possibly ally with America are the Brits, Jews, and France.

Where did you get the idea that I hope that this is a religious war? I said it is, not that I want it to be. The only countries we can trust to be in our corner are UK & Israel. It's telling that you said "Jews" rather than "Israel". You can no longer claim to be anything other than an Anti Semite. France is worthless, they lack both the maens & the will to help. Ditto the rest of Western Europe, with the possible exception of Germany.

This post is one of the most ignorant posts ever made. If you look at only one nation being the only nation who wants to conquer the world the ONLY answer is America. It is the U.S. who has spread their web across many nations. They have invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and now possibly Iran and North Korea. They have influenced and helped create tensions and the impeading war in Palestine. America has raped Africa with the notion of salvery and butchered the rightful owners of this nation the Native Americans and conquered the land and still till this day live in it. Man you need a history lesson real bad.

Last time I checked, Islam is not a nation. If the US is trying to conquer the world, we're going about it all wrong. Many countries have done far worse in Africa than we have. It was France & Britain that colonized the continent. By the way, Ethiopia was the only country NOT colonized. So much for colonial powers "raping" the continent. I won't make excuses for slavery & the destruction of the native population & their culture, but those actions are in the past. We as a country have changed in the last 150 yrs.

Eastern Europe is in the same boat my friend.

1) Eastern Europe is not in the same boat.
2) Don't call me friend.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:55 pm

Are "Brits" a country? No it's not...so how come you didn't mention that or maybe you didn't see it. Oh wait let me guess I also had an "agenda" when I said Brits too huh? Now you're just reaching.

Brits are from Britain. Jews are from almost every country in the world. You tell me.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:58 pm

Countertrey wrote:
We are at war with Islam

Can't agree with that, my friend. We are at war with Islamacists, individuals who have perverted Islam so that they can feel justified in murder for murder's sake.

In WWII, we were at war with Germany. I know that there were some Germans who opposed Hitler, but we were still at war with that country, not just the Nazis. The Islamists control Islam today just as the Nazis controlled germany in WWII. They are, ufortunately, a lot more than "individuals".

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:05 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Are "Brits" a country? No it's not...so how come you didn't mention that or maybe you didn't see it. Oh wait let me guess I also had an "agenda" when I said Brits too huh? Now you're just reaching.

Brits are from Britain. Jews are from almost every country in the world. You tell me.

If that makes you sleep better at night.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:26 pm

yupchagee wrote:We are at war with Islam, & the sooner we & our leaders accept this & stop with the politically correct "war on terror" the sooner we can have peace.

Right, I forgot:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Welcome to Oceania

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:43 pm

Yupchagee:

They are, ufortunately, a lot more than "individuals".

True though that may be, we remain at war with Islamacists, not with Muslims, who outnumber them exponentially.

dnpmakkah:

If that makes you sleep better at night.

You have no idea how entertaining you are!

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:48 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
yupchagee wrote:We are at war with Islam, & the sooner we & our leaders accept this & stop with the politically correct "war on terror" the sooner we can have peace.

Right, I forgot:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Welcome to Oceania

Peace ccaome untill the war ends. The war won't end if we don't even know who & what we are fighting. Therefore peace can not come if we don't accept the reality of who are enemies are.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:54 pm

yupchagee wrote:
Israel takes greater care than any other army in the world to minimize civilian casualities.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/mideast_conflict

Israel killed at least 34 civilians on Saturday, including 15 children, in air strikes meant to punish Lebanon for letting Hizbollah guerrillas menace the Jewish state's northern border. Israel's bombing of Lebanese roads, bridges, ports and airports, as well as Hizbollah targets, is its most destructive onslaught since a 1982 invasion to expel Palestinian forces.

This is tooooooo easy :lol:

. Don't worry there will be more of this to come. I don't however expect you to see the truth even as facts are brought forth to you but hea...maybe the rest of the world can get some truth by it.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:59 pm

yupchagee wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
yupchagee wrote:We are at war with Islam, & the sooner we & our leaders accept this & stop with the politically correct "war on terror" the sooner we can have peace.

Right, I forgot:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Welcome to Oceania

Peace ccaome untill the war ends.

See, I don't even know what that is supposed to mean, but if I understand you correctly, you are saying that we are at war so that we can have peace. Hence my Orwell quote.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:01 pm

dnpmakkah wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
Israel takes greater care than any other army in the world to minimize civilian casualities.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/mideast_conflict

Israel killed at least 34 civilians on Saturday, including 15 children, in air strikes meant to punish Lebanon for letting Hizbollah guerrillas menace the Jewish state's northern border. Israel's bombing of Lebanese roads, bridges, ports and airports, as well as Hizbollah targets, is its most destructive onslaught since a 1982 invasion to expel Palestinian forces.

This is tooooooo easy . Don't worry there will be more of this to come. I don't however expect you to see the truth even as facts are brought forth to you but hea...maybe the rest of the world can get some truth by it.

1) 34 civilians is not a large # consideriing the scope of the operation.
2) Arabs routinely place military facilities in civilian areas so Israel can't hit them without causing civilian casualities.
3) Casualty reports from Arab sources have been consistently wrong.
4) Many times Arabs have blamed Israel for casualities that they caused by mishandling weapons.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:03 pm

yupchagee wrote:
1) 34 civilians is not a large # consideriing the scope of the operation.

How about at least 100?

yupchagee wrote: 2) Arabs routinely place military facilities in civilian areas so Israel can't hit them without causing civilian casualities

So it makes it ok? They fight out of their homes...it's not like they purposely do it. Maybe Israel should give them money so they can build military facilities to make it easier to bomb. You know that building miltary locations don't come cheap and last time I checked the people over there are dirt poor....so where else do you want them to house their office. :?:

yupchagee wrote: 3) Casualty reports from Arab sources have been consistently wrong.

The below link is from Reuters news agency.

yupchagee wrote: 4) Many times Arabs have blamed Israel for casualities that they caused by mishandling weapons.

excuses...excuses...excuses. Now it's just fun to hear all your excuses everytime facts are provided to you. It's almost comical.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060715/wl_nm/mideast_syria_lebanon_dc

Israeli bombing has killed around 100 civilians

Chaaaching. One more for the good guys! $\:D/$

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:22 pm

yupchagee wrote:1) 34 civilians is not a large # consideriing the scope of the operation.
2) Arabs routinely place military facilities in civilian areas so Israel can't hit them without causing civilian casualities.
3) Casualty reports from Arab sources have been consistently wrong.
4) Many times Arabs have blamed Israel for casualities that they caused by mishandling weapons.

This is just ridiculous.
1. How many would constitute an acceptable number?
2. Where are US military facilities? On isolated islands?
3. And you know this how?
4. Those stupid Arabs are just blowing themselves up?

Before you go off on me, let me say that I'm not taking sides in this argument, but you are not making a good case for your cause here.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:24 pm

JSPB22 wrote:1. How many would constitute an acceptable number?

Anything that would prove his point to be correct.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:27 pm

excuses...excuses...excuses. Now it's just fun to hear all your excuses everytime facts are provided to you. It's almost comical.

None of your spin and game playing changes the FACT that Israel targets Hamas and Hezbollah, and gets civilians by accident, while Hamas and Hezbollah target civilians, and gets IDF by accident.

Chaaaching. One more for the good guys!

Good guys, huh? Little by little, the truth comes out.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:33 pm

dnpmakkah wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
1) 34 civilians is not a large # consideriing the scope of the operation.

How about at least 100?

yupchagee wrote: 2) Arabs routinely place military facilities in civilian areas so Israel can't hit them without causing civilian casualities

So it makes it ok? They fight out of their homes...it's not like they purposely do it. Maybe Israel should give them money so they can build military facilities to make it easier to bomb. You know that building miltary locations don't come cheap and last time I checked the people over there are dirt poor....so where else do you want them to house their office.

yupchagee wrote: 3) Casualty reports from Arab sources have been consistently wrong.
The below link is from Reuters news agency.

yupchagee wrote: 4) Many times Arabs have blamed Israel for casualities that they caused by mishandling weapons.

excuses...excuses...excuses. Now it's just fun to hear all your excuses everytime facts are provided to you. It's almost comical.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060715/wl_nm/mideast_syria_lebanon_dc

Israeli bombing has killed around 100 civilians

Chaaaching. One more for the good guys! $\:D/$

Israel was minding it's own beeswax, within it's own borders when they were invaded (from areas they had given up in the name of peace), the service members taken hostage and then moved him back across the border. What did they expect to happen. You can point out all the civilians that are being caught in the cross-fire that you want the bottom line is...

Civilians in Southern Lebanon and the Gaza Strip crossed into Israeli territory did their dirt and then ran back into the civilians areas that they originated from. Both so-called elected governments in the two "states" involved blame the the retaliating state but failed to, if not supported the aggressors that are based on their land.

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dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:40 pm

1niksder wrote:Israel was minding it's own beeswax, within it's own borders when they were invaded

Right Israel can do no wrong. Israel always minds its beeswax and keeps within its own borders.

1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. It is the world's first air strike against a nuclear plant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

Next.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:41 pm

dnpmakkah wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
1) 34 civilians is not a large # consideriing the scope of the operation.

How about at least 100?

yupchagee wrote: 2) Arabs routinely place military facilities in civilian areas so Israel can't hit them without causing civilian casualities

So it makes it ok? They fight out of their homes...it's not like they purposely do it. Maybe Israel should give them money so they can build military facilities to make it easier to bomb. You know that building miltary locations don't come cheap and last time I checked the people over there are dirt poor....so where else do you want them to house their office.

yupchagee wrote: 3) Casualty reports from Arab sources have been consistently wrong.
The below link is from Reuters news agency.

yupchagee wrote: 4) Many times Arabs have blamed Israel for casualities that they caused by mishandling weapons.

excuses...excuses...excuses. Now it's just fun to hear all your excuses everytime facts are provided to you. It's almost comical.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060715/wl_nm/mideast_syria_lebanon_dc

Israeli bombing has killed around 100 civilians

Chaaaching. One more for the good guys! $\:D/$

It's an "excuse" that Israel is frequently blamed for things they didn't do?
Israel shouldn't attack military targets if there are civilians around? (Israel frequently refrains from such attacks, endangering her own soldiers & civilians)
Where does Reuters get their "facts"?
Who owns Reuters?
Leaders of terror organizations are far from "dirt poor". Most have amassed fortunes.
They do "purposely do it". They have been for decades.
Still waiting for actual facts. I'm sure I'll never get them from you.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:46 pm

yupchagee wrote:Still waiting for actual facts. I'm sure I'll never get them from you.

All I have been doing is providing facts and links what else do you want me to do. Instead of me providing facts...why don't you provide facts that prove me wrong.

Maybe you would like to discuss the numbers below. I brought it up earlier but ironicaly nobody mentioned anything about it. You can research it if you like to find the "facts"

PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS*
3,135 killed by security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 627 aged under 18, 181 killed in extrajudicial executions and 288 (including at least 29 aged under 1 killed in the course of these assassinations.
54 killed by security forces in Israel including one aged under 18
34 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza including three aged under 18

ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

431 civilians killed in Israel including 78 aged under 18
218 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip including 34 aged under 18
218 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza
83 Israeli security forces killed in Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3694350.stm

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:19 pm

dnpmakkah wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Still waiting for actual facts. I'm sure I'll never get them from you.

All I have been doing is providing facts and links what else do you want me to do. Instead of me providing facts...why don't you provide facts that prove me wrong.

Maybe you would like to discuss the numbers below. I brought it up earlier but ironicaly nobody mentioned anything about it. You can research it if you like to find the "facts"

PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS*
3,135 killed by security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 627 aged under 18, 181 killed in extrajudicial executions and 288 (including at least 29 aged under 1 killed in the course of these assassinations.
54 killed by security forces in Israel including one aged under 18
34 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza including three aged under 18

ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

431 civilians killed in Israel including 78 aged under 18
218 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip including 34 aged under 18
218 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza
83 Israeli security forces killed in Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3694350.stm

I hardly know where to start. The BBC is almost as hostile to Israel to Israel as the Arab press. The overwhelming majority of Arab casualities have been fighters, even if you exclude those throwing rocks & fore bombs. The demographics of Arab "civilian" casualities are that most are males between 15 & 50. Most Israeli civilian casualities have been women, children & the elderly.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:42 pm

yupchagee wrote: I hardly know where to start. The BBC is almost as hostile to Israel to Israel as the Arab press. The overwhelming majority of Arab casualities have been fighters, even if you exclude those throwing rocks & fore bombs. The demographics of Arab "civilian" casualities are that most are males between 15 & 50. Most Israeli civilian casualities have been women, children & the elderly.

Do you have a link to prove this...or are you just stating it based on your opinions?