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John Manfreda wrote:I am sick of all these anti-Lavar stuff, if he is so bad how come our D improved when he started playing. Second of all he didn't look out of position against Tampa (10 tackels), int. and a forced fumble, or when he knocked Alexander out of the Sehawks game. He is a good player and will help out the Giants. He is still one of the hardest hitters in the game, reguardless of what people on this board say.

i agree, he is going to be fun to watch next year on a mission

Dont get me wrong Im not on Lavars Jock, but anytime you send a big hitter too a team that already has two good ends a real good middle line backer (Peirce) who used to play for the skins. It makes me a little worried cause this is somebody that you have to account for when he is on the field. Strahan has to be doubled and we arledy seen that Sammuels cant handle Usymiora by himself. That leaves Lavar with a free run to the QB. And I dont think Brunell can outrun him. Now I know with the New Offesnive coach Al Saunders that we will be able to spread them out,but not on every down. You can tell me that this is not huge for the Giants, look what the Steelers did with their blitz, I dont think Indy was able to Protect Manning in the playoffs.

Justice Hog wrote:

Uaintready wrote:The worst thing could have happened too the skins in their run for a title. We let one of our biggest stars on defense leave to a NFC team that we will have to see twice a year. This is not just a Lavar Arringtong its an agnry Lavar,that said in the post that there were several teams I could play for, but I want to PLAY the skins twice a year. Not only do they already have Perice, they have Strahan and the other end Usnomimra. They will have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Now I can see Lavar chasing Brunell and Portis all over the field, what does everyone else think???????

First, Arrington was not one of our biggest stars on "defense" if you define "star" as "valuable player". If you define "star" as "well known player", maybe you're right.

Second, Lavar really won't add anything to that defense...except, maybe, another player that gets injured and plays out of position a lot.

Calm down. Take a pill. All will be well.

this will indeed be alot of fun twice a year.

hope he is happy...

i guess we will have t wait and see want we..

I think Arrington helps the giants (they need help!) but like some have pointed out I do not think he has gotten better as a player recently. They need help and they may be better but I do not think he can make a big difference.

He will make their team better if he plays within the game plan but he has not been able to do that and the skill level seems to have dropped the last couple of years.

He's still a good cheerleader but that is an expensive sideline ornament.

I am sure that the media will find this is a very good deal and at a very fair price - If that had been a Snyder singing it would have been blasted.

SkinsJock wrote:I think Arrington helps the giants (they need help!) but like some have pointed out I do not think he has gotten better as a player recently. They need help and they may be better but I do not think he can make a big difference.

He will make their team better if he plays within the game plan but he has not been able to do that and the skill level seems to have dropped the last couple of years.

He's still a good cheerleader but that is an expensive sideline ornament.

I am sure that the media will find this is a very good deal and at a very fair price - If that had been a Snyder singing it would have been blasted.

His play didn't decline, he got injured and than didn't play, in the second half of the year he was good and really came on in the playoffs. Normally after a year of healing a injury players really come on. Its a fact with knee injuries. He is more than a expensive ornament, he may not be the next LT but he is still a very good player and one of the hardest hitters in football.

sorry if I seem harsh, I agree with the criticisums he gets out of position and is undisciplined, I just hate it when fans love a player when there on their team and when they decide to leave, they bash him like its their job and even imply that he is a bad player. Lavar is a good player and is going to be good for the Giants, I don't think it was a big loss though for us, because he did not get along with the coaches and we did well without him (not with Holdman Lb though) and think if we draft a Lb or Clemons has more than pass rushing skills we will be fine. I am not saying Clemons doesn't because he hasn't showed he has, but he hasn't showed he doesn't have more than pass rushing skills. If Clemons started though I would be comfortable with that.

Redskin for life, huh.

John Manfreda wrote:I am sick of all these anti-Lavar stuff, if he is so bad how come our D improved when he started playing. Second of all he didn't look out of position against Tampa (10 tackels), int. and a forced fumble, or when he knocked Alexander out of the Sehawks game. He is a good player and will help out the Giants. He is still one of the hardest hitters in the game, reguardless of what people on this board say.

Thank you! The Lavar bashing on here is despicable and really shows the true colors of many fans. The man gave us years of good football and all some can do is bash him, it's really lame. Even Joe Gibbs came out today and said he regrets the way the situation went down.

I am still a fan of his regardless of where he plays, he is a playmaker and a hitter, and ALL offenses have to be aware of where he is on the field at all times.

I forsee many crushing blows delivered by him, having a weak side linbacker like him playing with a chip on his shoulder is a very dangerous thing for any offense to deal with.

I also think that when he comes home to Fed Ex he will be welcomed by the fans.

nuskins wrote:The man gave us years of good football and all some can do is bash him, it's really lame. Even Joe Gibbs came out today and said he regrets the way the situation went down.

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I also think that when he comes home to Fed Ex he will be welcomed by the fans.

I think that's the problem a lot of fans had with Lavar. While he was here, when he played (and was not benched or injured), he played "good" football. I, for one, expected and had hoped Lavar would play "great" football and the fact is, he never did. That's the dissapointment I think many of us have with Lavar.

I suppose Lavar will be welcomed by some fans but he will certainly be booed by some fans as well? Why? Because Lavar could have remained a Redskin if he wanted to. He chose not to and, even worse, he decided to go to a NFC East team so he, reportedly, can play the Redskins twice! He'll lose some fans there, I think.

I think it's very unfair for some of you to judge what's fair and unfair.

Personally, I think my support of Lavar is well documented throughout his entire tenure here both in posts AND in articles, I certainly don't feel any need to further re-state my position. I'll always hope the best for him, or in the instance of him now being a Giant... the second best for him in certain instances.

People are going to vent... people are going to say stupid things... no doubt... but I think there's a tendency to see what you DON'T believe in a sort of bold print... as in, sticks out more to you. Moderators learn to look at things (hopefully) from a less emotional standpoint and I honestly don't see that Lavar's support has really swayed that much now that he's gone. The fact is... in Washington or not... Lavar has always been loved by some and loathed by others... the media did and probably still will see to that.

Sure there are some that may have 'switched' but that's to be expected when a guy leaves the team. Really all that is being shown is who were his real fans all along.

Justice Hog wrote:

nuskins wrote:The man gave us years of good football and all some can do is bash him, it's really lame. Even Joe Gibbs came out today and said he regrets the way the situation went down.

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I also think that when he comes home to Fed Ex he will be welcomed by the fans.

I think that's the problem a lot of fans had with Lavar. While he was here, when he played (and was not benched or injured), he played "good" football. I, for one, expected and had hoped Lavar would play "great" football and the fact is, he never did. That's the dissapointment I think many of us have with Lavar.

I suppose Lavar will be welcomed by some fans but he will certainly be booed by some fans as well? Why? Because Lavar could have remained a Redskin if he wanted to. He chose not to and, even worse, he decided to go to a NFC East team so he, reportedly, can play the Redskins twice! He'll lose some fans there, I think.

Why don't people ever try looking at it from the players point of view. Would you want to remain with a team that you pledge your loyalty and right after that happens (from Lavars point of view), cheated you in your contract, benched you, wouldn't let you play up to your maximum by letting you rush the passer (even when Cris Clemons got hurt), and when benching you they tried to make you look like you have a attitude problem and insulting your character by implying your selfish. I am sorry if I was Lavar I would have given them the single digit solute and played for a team that puts me in a chance to let them know they made a mistake. Everyone talks about Loyalty to a team, well loyalty goes both ways, the team can't treat you like crap and expect you to be loyal to them. Yes I do think Lavar was treated unfairly this past year and has every right to go back on his word and leave the team.

i have and always will be a fan of lavar.

i have and always will cheer for him when he steps on fedex field.

i will always give him respect.

but after i have cheered for him, it will always be go SKINS.

HOSS wrote:i have and always will cheer for him when he steps on fedex field.

I'm sorry but you'll never in your life see me cheering for anyone wearing any other uniform than the Burgundy and Gold.

I won't be "booing" or "hissing" at Lavar, but I certainly won't be "cheering" for him when he brings his big blue-wearin' butt to DC.

ok, maybe cheer was the wrong word to use. substitute "cheer" with "give props"

Im going to try my best to boo him off the field.

If you're not a Redskin Im not a fan of yours on gameday.

If my father played for another team I'd boo him too.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If my father played for another team I'd boo him too.

Man, I KNEW I liked you for some reason, CLL!

Justice Hog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If my father played for another team I'd boo him too.

Man, I KNEW I liked you for some reason, CLL!

I meant it too. We're Redskins, this a burgundy and gold forever. LA is not and will never be LT, he's a Giant now and people need to get a new man-crush.

This is the same moaning and whining we got last offseason when we lost Coles and before that when we lost Chump...

and then what happens...?

Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams and their minions go to the drawing board and they find us a player who plays just as well as the person we lost or better.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!
SCREW LAVAR!
SCREW THE GIANTS, EAGLES AND PUKES!

You Lavar lovers make sure you cheer for him when he comes out the tunnel because I'll make sure I boo you along with him too.

John Manfreda wrote:Why don't people ever try looking at it from the players point of view.

We aren't players... so we never get the whole story, even when we do we are still just the fans.

John Manfreda wrote:Would you want to remain with a team that you pledge your loyalty and right after that happens (from Lavars point of view), cheated you in your contract,

I've said it almost a thousand times... He shouldn't have hired the Marx brothers to look after his affairs. Anyway you look at it Lavar held up his end of the deal. He sagned a contract to make him a Redskin for life, and he became a "fan favorite". If he had got cheated he would have won his arbitration (people act like there was never a outcome to this, but there was and in it the facts didn't come out but you could tell who was right and who was wrong)

John Manfreda wrote:benched you,

I never read that he was willing to play on ONE knee. Could you provide me a link or even a reference that I could find in the libary? Or maybe he just never got back up to speed when it took more than a NAME

John Manfreda wrote: wouldn't let you play up to your maximum by letting you rush the passer (even when Cris Clemons got hurt),

OK but why is he rushing the passer on 2nd and inches and they are lined up in a bunch formation?
Lavar freelanced and it was bad all the time, just more times than not.

John Manfreda wrote:and when benching you they tried to make you look like you have a attitude problem and insulting your character by implying your selfish.

When he was benched he was put on the back burner. He turned up the heat when he came out saying he was rushed back(when the truth was they let him play to appease him... or Bubba wanted out of the training room) only to retract it a few days latter, but it got him back out there even if he wasn't on the field (his agents had nothing to do with this)

John Manfreda wrote:I am sorry if I was Lavar I would have given them the single digit solute and played for a team that puts me in a chance to let them know they made a mistake.

You're not Lavr and he knows the whole story. I don't think LA has a axe to grind here and doesn't hold any grudes. If he is healthy but I doubt that, I think he'll play one of his best game at Fed-Ex this year, more than likely he'll be ready to shine next year (either way we'll be ready). Not because of his hatered of the Skins but for the love of the LA fans that wear the Burgundy and Gold

John Manfreda wrote:Everyone talks about Loyalty to a team, well loyalty goes both ways, the team can't treat you like crap and expect you to be loyal to them. Yes I do think Lavar was treated unfairly this past year and has every right to go back on his word and leave the team.

How can you be loyal and have every right to go back on your word? If you are loyal you assume what is going on is good for the team and you stick it out, when it come time to discuss the money that you are due and how it will count against the cap - the "loyal player" takes a hit in the press but pockets a lot of new cash that was only numbers on a peice of paper that you might get some day before the taking started. A loyal player doesn't forego $6.5M bouns that had been claimed to be twice that amount in addition to almost $4.4M to leave.

We've always said that once a player is lable a "Redskin for life", "Core Redskin" or anything of the such they are as good as gone.

I learned a long time ago that you can't pay someone to be loyal, so I find it hard to understand you calling someone that brought their way out could be considered loyal...

I wish Lavar well in all that he does.

Even when he plays against the Skins I MAY wish him well I don't know for sure yet, but I know he'll need all the well wishing he can get when he faces us

Would you want to remain with a team that you pledge your loyalty and right after that happens (from Lavars point of view), cheated you in your contract

More crap from the mouth of Manfreda. Lavar knows perfectly well who was responsible for that debacle. He knows, because the Players Association (HIS union) knows, and (in fact) has sanctioned the Postons over this affair. The Postons blew it, and Lavar knows it. For some reason, Lavar has tied his pride to his choice of agents. HIS bad. He knows.

His perspective my butt. Get a clue.

Keep it civil folks... we don't attack posters here... only the posts themselves. We have a smack forum if it needs to escalate further.

Thanks.

I've said it almost a thousand times... He shouldn't have hired the Marx brothers to look after his affairs. Anyway you look at it Lavar held up his end of the deal. He sagned a contract to make him a Redskin for life, and he became a "fan favorite". If he had got cheated he would have won his arbitration (people act like there was never a outcome to this, but there was and in it the facts didn't come out but you could tell who was right and who was wrong)
Not from Lavar's point of view and what didn't hear or remember is that they were rushing Lavar to sign it so he did and took their word for it. If you were rushed to sign a contract without reading it and it didn't have what you wanted in it, wouldn't you feel cheated?

John Manfreda wrote:benched you,

I never read that he was willing to play on ONE knee. Could you provide me a link or even a reference that I could find in the libary? Or maybe he just never got back up to speed when it took more than a NAME. Do you even follow the Redskins? They didn't bench him because of the knee, and even if he wasn't as good as he once was, he was still better than anyone else we had.

John Manfreda wrote: wouldn't let you play up to your maximum by letting you rush the passer (even when Cris Clemons got hurt),

OK but why is he rushing the passer on 2nd and inches and they are lined up in a bunch formation?
obviously, and you should know when I was talking about rushing the passer I am not talking about 2nd and inches. It wasn't bad all the time, he did knock Alexander out of a game and if it was bad all the time why did he lead lb's in sacks and 3 probowls. How come he had 10 tackels int. and a forced fumble against Tampa in one of the biggest games in years.

John Manfreda wrote:and when benching you they tried to make you look like you have a attitude problem and insulting your character by implying your selfish.

When he was benched he was put on the back burner. He turned up the heat when he came out saying he was rushed back(when the truth was they let him play to appease him... or Bubba wanted out of the training room) only to retract it a few days latter, but it got him back out there even if he wasn't on the field (his agents had nothing to do with this)

Yeah I guess Greg never said he wasn't a team player, even though its been reported on TV everywhere.

John Manfreda wrote:I am sorry if I was Lavar I would have given them the single digit solute and played for a team that puts me in a chance to let them know they made a mistake.

You're not Lavr and he knows the whole story. I don't think LA has a axe to grind here and doesn't hold any grudes. If he is healthy but I doubt that, I think he'll play one of his best game at Fed-Ex this year, more than likely he'll be ready to shine next year (either way we'll be ready). Not because of his hatered of the Skins but for the love of the LA fans that wear the Burgundy and Gold.
I know I am not, but Lavar did what I thought he should do leave because we both agreed he felt disrespected.

John Manfreda wrote:Everyone talks about Loyalty to a team, well loyalty goes both ways, the team can't treat you like crap and expect you to be loyal to them. Yes I do think Lavar was treated unfairly this past year and has every right to go back on his word and leave the team.

How can you be loyal and have every right to go back on your word? If you are loyal you assume what is going on is good for the team and you stick it out, when it come time to discuss the money that you are due and how it will count against the cap - the "loyal player" takes a hit in the press but pockets a lot of new cash that was only numbers on a peice of paper that you might get some day before the taking started. A loyal player doesn't forego $6.5M bouns that had been claimed to be twice that amount in addition to almost $4.4M to leave.
You can because circumstances change. Another way is by giving money back so your former team doesn't take a cap hit, he could have easily pulled a Coles and try to kill our cap but he didn't. This shows you never played competitive sports like Mcnair is he loyal to the Titans yes, should he be now(from what I hear) hell no, they won't even let him work out with the team. Tell me this if you were a player and you were getting benched for a player that your leaps and bounds better than, you wouldn't be mad. yeah right, don't tell me Holdman is better than Lavar and should have been playing over him, just look at the tape. So why did they not play Lavar it was something personal, When the coaching staff has something personal against you would you be loyal to them? hell no. By the way read the post I never said he was Loyal, I said he pledged it, and circumstances and events can change that, in real life and football. If you pledged your loyalty to someone else and you feeled they stabbed you in the back, r u still going to be loyal to them? I know what I would say but maybe thats just me.

I've said it almost a thousand times... He shouldn't have hired the Marx brothers to look after his affairs. Anyway you look at it Lavar held up his end of the deal. He sagned a contract to make him a Redskin for life, and he became a "fan favorite". If he had got cheated he would have won his arbitration (people act like there was never a outcome to this, but there was and in it the facts didn't come out but you could tell who was right and who was wrong)

Not from Lavar's point of view and what didn't hear or remember is that they were rushing Lavar to sign it so he did and took their word for it. If you were rushed to sign a contract without reading it and it didn't have what you wanted in it, wouldn't you feel cheated?

John Manfreda wrote:benched you,

I never read that he was willing to play on ONE knee. Could you provide me a link or even a reference that I could find in the libary? Or maybe he just never got back up to speed when it took more than a NAME.

Do you even follow the Redskins? They didn't bench him because of the knee, and even if he wasn't as good as he once was, he was still better than anyone else we had.

John Manfreda wrote: wouldn't let you play up to your maximum by letting you rush the passer (even when Cris Clemons got hurt),

OK but why is he rushing the passer on 2nd and inches and they are lined up in a bunch formation?

obviously, and you should know when I was talking about rushing the passer I am not talking about 2nd and inches. It wasn't bad all the time, he did knock Alexander out of a game and if it was bad all the time why did he lead lb's in sacks and 3 probowls. How come he had 10 tackels int. and a forced fumble against Tampa in one of the biggest games in years, if it was bad all the time.

John Manfreda wrote:and when benching you they tried to make you look like you have a attitude problem and insulting your character by implying your selfish.

When he was benched he was put on the back burner. He turned up the heat when he came out saying he was rushed back(when the truth was they let him play to appease him... or Bubba wanted out of the training room) only to retract it a few days latter, but it got him back out there even if he wasn't on the field (his agents had nothing to do with this)

Yeah I guess Greg never said he wasn't a team player, even though its been reported on TV everywhere.

John Manfreda wrote:I am sorry if I was Lavar I would have given them the single digit solute and played for a team that puts me in a chance to let them know they made a mistake.

You're not Lavr and he knows the whole story. I don't think LA has a axe to grind here and doesn't hold any grudes. If he is healthy but I doubt that, I think he'll play one of his best game at Fed-Ex this year, more than likely he'll be ready to shine next year (either way we'll be ready). Not because of his hatered of the Skins but for the love of the LA fans that wear the Burgundy and Gold.

I know I am not, but Lavar did what I thought he should do leave because we both agreed he felt disrespected.

John Manfreda wrote:Everyone talks about Loyalty to a team, well loyalty goes both ways, the team can't treat you like crap and expect you to be loyal to them. Yes I do think Lavar was treated unfairly this past year and has every right to go back on his word and leave the team.

How can you be loyal and have every right to go back on your word? If you are loyal you assume what is going on is good for the team and you stick it out, when it come time to discuss the money that you are due and how it will count against the cap - the "loyal player" takes a hit in the press but pockets a lot of new cash that was only numbers on a peice of paper that you might get some day before the taking started. A loyal player doesn't forego $6.5M bouns that had been claimed to be twice that amount in addition to almost $4.4M to leave.

You can because circumstances change. Another way is by giving money back so your former team doesn't take a cap hit, he could have easily pulled a Coles and try to kill our cap but he didn't. This shows you never played competitive sports, like Mcnair is he loyal to the Titans yes, should he be now(from what I hear) hell no, they won't even let him work out with the team. Tell me this if you were a player and you were getting benched for a player that your leaps and bounds better than, you wouldn't be mad. yeah right, don't tell me Holdman is better than Lavar and should have been playing over him, just look at the tape. So why did they not play Lavar it was something personal, When the coaching staff has something personal against you would you be loyal to them? hell no. By the way read the post I never said he was Loyal, I said he pledged it, and circumstances and events can change that, in real life and football. If you pledged your loyalty to someone else and you feeled they stabbed you in the back, r u still going to be loyal to them? I know what I would say but maybe thats just me.

he could have easily pulled a Coles and try to kill our cap but he didn't

If he tried doing that, he would still be on the team right now.
He would have been a June 1st cut.

He payed to be off the team because he thought he could get more money than he would if he were released in June.

How did that work out for him?

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:

he could have easily pulled a Coles and try to kill our cap but he didn't

If he tried doing that, he would still be on the team right now.
He would have been a June 1st cut.

He payed to be off the team because he thought he could get more money than he would if he were released in June.

How did that work out for him?

We did gain a lot of cap room because of his pay back, and if he did that we wouldn't have been able to sign these guys we got through free agency.

I hear you.
I just don't feel that he payed back that money so we could sign free-agents.