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bottom line you got to look to the future as the whole manning warner incident

Personally, in life I dread a future that is wholly a manning warner incident.

Smithian wrote:Brunell restructured... he is "ok" in my book.

Finally... a little love for the guy.

No love here. He's great at first impressions...but it wears thin when he plays for an extended period.

1niksder wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

1niksder wrote:Check your sources Crazy....

No pun intended, of course!!!

Why did I not think of that earlier?

Maybe we've been wrong all along and he has been getting stupid info and passing it on

or maybe not...

I said in training camp, not in the Ravens scrimmage. Try reading my post again.

portis26 wrote:I want him to do badly in the preseason so that Gibbs doesn't even think about putting him in there when the games actually count.

A totally valid view. Brunell's arm won't hold up, even if he's throwing well now. He's finished, through. No good will come of keeping him on the squad. The acquision and playing of Brunell last year was absurd. I love Joe Gibbs, but he's human and makes mistakes-- going too long with old folks is one of them.

portis26 wrote:Oh yeah, one more thing, we couldn't break 20 points with him there in the 9 weeks he started. Against Cleveland and Cincinnati we could not muster 20 points in either contest. Please admit that you don't want him starting any games for us either this season. I don't think it is anti-redskins to do so, if anything it is pro-redskins. I want to see them succeed and therefore I don't want to see Brunell to get any starts.

Good job on the stats. Nothing Brunell did last year justifies his even being on the squad this year. To me, his playing at all is unthinkable. We could have picked up twenty qb's better than he is for next to nothing. The idea that he can ever compete with Ramsey or Campbell is a joke.

SkinsJock wrote:I have more faith in Joe and the offensive coaches than most people.

I prefer to think that last season is not any more an indication of how good or bad Brunell is than Bill B.'s performance as a coach at Cleveland meant that he was as bad a coach as he looked before he became the coach at NE.

IMO a "good" Brunell is better for the Redskins than a "bad" Brunell. Yes he has to be here for another year but it is better for us IMO if he is a lot better than he was last year. That's just my opinion.

I would find it very hard to believe that Gibbs is going to let him play if he does not look a lot better than last year. If that is still the case then we are in trouble as we will need to bring in a back-up to Patrick with not much time to get him ready. I do not think that Jason has any chance of being the back-up this year until the season is "lost" or we are very desperate.. Therefore, I think we should be hoping for a big upgrade from Mark on what we saw. This is a lot easier road than some other people are thinking of taking with a "bad" Brunell.

Gibbs is a very good coach and he must feel that as he has got to have Mark here (for 1 more year) he is going to give him the chance to be our back-up and I think that if this works a "good" Brunell is a lot better than the guy we had last year.

I'm hoping that he does not ever start a game again but I would also hope that he can be our back-up QB IF Joe (& the coaches) think he can "handle" it. These guys know what is going on.

How difficult is this for some of our doubting fans to understand?

Brunell is on the squad because the FO can't tolerate the reality of the huge financial and season destroying folly it made last year in giving him a shot. Gibbs is in denial.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

1niksder wrote:Check your sources Crazy....

No pun intended, of course!!!

Why did I not think of that earlier?

Maybe we've been wrong all along and he has been getting stupid info and passing it on

or maybe not...

I said in training camp, not in the Ravens scrimmage. Try reading my post again.

I read very well and I read every post. Last I checked the scrimage is apart of every NFL training camp. Some have intra-squad scrimages, some scrimage teams that are close by, but they are all apart of training camp. Ask your sources if the scrimage was apart of training camp or not. I the guru says they are different, ask him when did they break camp.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

portis26 wrote:Oh yeah, one more thing, we couldn't break 20 points with him there in the 9 weeks he started. Against Cleveland and Cincinnati we could not muster 20 points in either contest. Please admit that you don't want him starting any games for us either this season. I don't think it is anti-redskins to do so, if anything it is pro-redskins. I want to see them succeed and therefore I don't want to see Brunell to get any starts.

Good job on the stats. Nothing Brunell did last year justifies his even being on the squad this year. To me, his playing at all is unthinkable. We could have picked up twenty qb's better than he is for next to nothing. The idea that he can ever compete with Ramsey or Campbell is a joke.

He did 1 thing that made sure he'd be here this year.



He signed that contract

1niksder wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

1niksder wrote:Check your sources Crazy....

No pun intended, of course!!!

Why did I not think of that earlier?

Maybe we've been wrong all along and he has been getting stupid info and passing it on

or maybe not...

I said in training camp, not in the Ravens scrimmage. Try reading my post again.

I read very well and I read every post. Last I checked the scrimage is apart of every NFL training camp. Some have intra-squad scrimages, some scrimage teams that are close by, but they are all apart of training camp. Ask your sources if the scrimage was apart of training camp or not. I the guru says they are different, ask him when did they break camp.

My comment had nothing to do with the scrimmage per se or the stats from that scrimmage. I had only to do with Brunell's performance in general during the entirity of the camp.

1niksder wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

1niksder wrote:Check your sources Crazy....

No pun intended, of course!!!

Why did I not think of that earlier?

Maybe we've been wrong all along and he has been getting stupid info and passing it on

or maybe not...

I said in training camp, not in the Ravens scrimmage. Try reading my post again.

I read very well and I read every post. Last I checked the scrimage is apart of every NFL training camp. Some have intra-squad scrimages, some scrimage teams that are close by, but they are all apart of training camp. Ask your sources if the scrimage was apart of training camp or not. I the guru says they are different, ask him when did they break camp.

My comment had nothing to do with the scrimmage per se or the stats from that scrimmage. I had only to do with Brunell's performance in general during the entirity of the camp.

Please stop questioning the judgement of my boyfriend, Crazyhorse. He always whups up on me when you do.
Besides, I can't help but notice how you bad boys screamed to get rid of Rod because he dropped a few balls; yet you defend Brunell who was a thousand times worse than Rod last year. Why the double standard.
Hummm. Must be some bias at play. What? I wonder.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Please stop questioning the judgement of my boyfriend, Crazyhorse. He always whups up on me when you do.
Besides, I can't help but notice how you bad boys screamed to get rid of Rod because he dropped a few balls; yet you defend Brunell who was a thousand times worse than Rod last year. Why the double standard.
Hummm. Must be some bias at play. What? I wonder.

Nobody is defending Mark.

crazyhorse1 wrote:The word from training camp is that Brunell's passes are accurate and show a zip they didn't have last year. Worse, he's thrown for a few scores. I quake with fear that successful Brunell outings in camp may give Gibbs ideas. If they do, we're in trouble.

I said the word you got from training camp was mis-spelled at best because Brunell wasn't that hot from the word I was getting. We heard different things, so to avoid the back and forth I posted the numbers from the scrimage (they weren't disputed) To me that would be you supporting Brunell - not me.

I've got a suggestion....

crazyhorse1 wrote:I said in training camp, not in the Ravens scrimmage. Try reading my post again .

The difference between Brunell staying and Gardner leaving is all in the $$$. No way I'm even going to try to get that across to you but this might help.

The difference between Brunell staying and Gardner leaving is all in the $$$. No way I'm even going to try to get that across to you but this might help.

It's like I find something new on theHogs.net every day. . .thanks for linking that, 1niksder (so that's how you've been doing it. . . )

1niksder wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Please stop questioning the judgement of my boyfriend, Crazyhorse. He always whups up on me when you do.
Besides, I can't help but notice how you bad boys screamed to get rid of Rod because he dropped a few balls; yet you defend Brunell who was a thousand times worse than Rod last year. Why the double standard.
Hummm. Must be some bias at play. What? I wonder.

Nobody is defending Mark.

crazyhorse1 wrote:The word from training camp is that Brunell's passes are accurate and show a zip they didn't have last year. Worse, he's thrown for a few scores. I quake with fear that successful Brunell outings in camp may give Gibbs ideas. If they do, we're in trouble.

I said the word you got from training camp was mis-spelled at best because Brunell wasn't that hot from the word I was getting. We heard different things, so to avoid the back and forth I posted the numbers from the scrimage (they weren't disputed) To me that would be you supporting Brunell - not me.

I've got a suggestion....

crazyhorse1 wrote:I said in training camp, not in the Ravens scrimmage. Try reading my post again .

The difference between Brunell staying and Gardner leaving is all in the $$$. No way I'm even going to try to get that across to you but this might help.

I didn't say there weren't financial considerations that caused the Skins to keep Brunell and get rid of Gardner. I merely said that Brunell does not deserve to be on the team at all, and that people are more scornful of Gardner than they are of Brunell, who is a much worse player than Gardner and hurt us much more than Gardner did. What do you not understand now?

crazyhorse1 wrote: What do you not understand now?

Your constant need for confrontation a good place to start. This thread has page after page of post-ers stating they have the same fears of Brunell on the field that you do, and you start posting about people defending Brunell.

I don't understand if you now understand that "a scrimage" is apart of training camp or not. I couldn't tell from the post that followed that because you still wanted to exclude the only public stats from training camp.

Do you understand that some fans support ALL members WITH the team.even the ones we can't wait to get rid of.

Do you understand that Brunell's situation is 85% financial considerations ..... You seem to exclude what you want-when you want regardless of how it impacts the isuses.

Do you understand some posters actually know what they are posting when they post (they even research the subject matter before posting).

Do you know most of the research has already been done?

Did you ever find this... If so do you know what it's for

There is more that I don't understand but I doubt you'd be the one I'd seek the answers from.

BTW I've gone as far as calculating what it would cost to cut Mark Brunell. I did this when the season ended, and again when the free agency period started even though I knew the numbers wouldn't change (just hopes). I did after he re-worked his contract and after June 1st. We can't trade him and I couldn't find anyone that would take him for free. Considering we are only fans I've done my part without much complaining.

I don't understand why you've done nothing but complain

I thought it might be a good idea to re-visit this thread to see if people still want to see Brunell "do bad" in pre-season. You don't have to want him to start, but to want him to do bad? Maybe those guys should concentrate on Ramsey doing better instead of Brunell doing bad. I'll stick with my doctrine of hoping Brunell plays as good as he ever has, yet Ramsey gets better.

I was definitely not impressed with Ramsey...and Brunell was not "bad" so here we go again.

Like I said it the game thread, it will be a good thing to have a confidant vet back-up QB.

You're absolutely right DE, and that's what I've felt all along. This particular thread was preposterous in my view. To WANT him to do bad? That's disgracefull. It would be great to have a capable, veteran, and GOOD backup QB.

no first impression of Brunell is going to undo the cold hard truths of last season

no first impression of Brunell is going to undo the cold hard truths of last season

Is that enough reason to want him to do the same again this year?

JPFair wrote:

no first impression of Brunell is going to undo the cold hard truths of last season

Is that enough reason to want him to do the same again this year?

Yes. I think Brunell's knee is feeling better and he is healthier than he was last year. He looked more mobile than I remember him being at any point last season. You are right on one thing I would like to see Ramsey play better so we aren't stuck with Brunell again this year. Ramsey made Brunell look so good last night.

Yes. I think Brunell's knee is feeling better and he is healthier than he was last year. He looked more mobile than I remember him being at any point last season. You are right on one thing I would like to see Ramsey play better so we aren't stuck with Brunell again this year. Ramsey made Brunell look so good last night.

That's in stark contrast to your wish that Brunell play "bad". Furthermore, Brunell didn't make Ramsey look good at all. Ramsey made himself look however he played all by himself. In any event, there's no reason on earth why anyone that's a Redskins fan should wish that there backup QB doesn't play well. Do you think there's a lot of Patriots fans saying "I hope Rohan Davey plays really bad so Bellichik won't have to start him"? The point is this: Ramsey is our starter, and Brunell is the backup. Simple as that!! Why would you hope that Brunell plays poorly? If Ramsey is out becaue of an injury for more than one game, I would sure hope that Brunell plays as good as he played when with Jacksonville.

I just don't want Brunell to be the starter again this year. Plain and simple. He was the worst QB I've seen in a long time and I don't want him running the show again even if he has improved a little bit.