Jansen is ready to play ...

[Redskins1974]

Dude, you're a poser.

'Nuff said

[gay4pacman]

yeah i find joy in the skins no matter how they are playing. You find problems....

[sch1977]

skins_dominHate... you want to make a point of calling people out and blah, blah, blah... just one question... if you're so comfortable in your views... why do you bow out of EVERY SINGLE football conversation i've ever had with you? EVERY ONE... you just disappear from any thread where what you have said has been effectively refuted.

So much so that some people here know you for THAT more than your pessimism.


I find your posts a complete waste of time and were it not for having to moderate them, I'd skip them entirely for their complete lack of substance.

Without saying what I'd really like to say in reply to this post I will just add that you seem to be slightly delusional when you say I cut and run. AND I HAVE NEVER,EVER, CALLED ANY PARTICULAR POSTER OUT. But you can read this thread and see how some have specifically mentioned my name (against site rules) yet I haven't whined about it.

So here goes: What have I written that is wrong IN REGARDS TO THE TEAM AND ITS PLAYERS?

Hmmmm....so let me start.

First of all, Jansen is overrated. Hasn't done anything except complain about Spurrier and get injured. Wow, thats really defenseable.

Secondly, Ramsey is a bogus joke. I won't reveal what I could really say about him because I am willing to give him the smallest scintilla of the benefit of the doubt. Despite what the HOMERS do indeed fawn over him I have asked one question time and time again and no one dares to reply. What is his career win/loss record? Its that simple. No excuses, no stupid stats-- just the facts. Harrington, Carr, Rotlessburger, McNabb, Brady are all judged by the same criteria.

Thirdly, this site has some sick perversion with that worthless, pathetic ham-and-egger, ey. HE HAD 6 Touchdowns!!!!! You would have thought he dominated every game, caught 85 passes and was a top rated player. He's nothing more than an h-back, NOT a tight end. I don't like him and I admit it. He is a punk. But I really dislike him because he is a true indicator of how inept and incompetent our offense has been. 6 touchdowns, wow.

Crazyhorse and I are the best posters on this site because we don't drive the bandwagon nor blame the media (ouch, that one's really going to hurt the homers) for the Redskins embarassing record the past 14 plus years.

I proudly dissent against all things homerish because they are not rooted in logic but in emotion.

I will wait for your reply but I don't think you nor anyone, respectfully, can defeat or even place the smallest of chinks in my arguments.

In closing I think all of you need to pay homage to Crazyhorse and I for what we bring day in and day out to this site---without us it would be one big Redskins bandwagon ride. But we bring the logic and in return we get bashed. But I have noticed more and more of the posters in this site agreeing with me because they know I am right.

Who is agreeing with you besides Crazyhorse? It seems to me that YOU are the one on the redskins bangwagon! Ready to jump off at any moment when things dont go your way. What logic have you brought anyway? Jansen overrated? Give me a break. You say he was whining about Spurrier, but I'll bet you a million bucks you were too. Get over yourself man!

[BossHog]

First of all, Jansen is overrated. Hasn't done anything except complain about Spurrier and get injured. Wow, thats really defenseable.

That's in your eyes only, and that's what you have to realize... that's all any of this is. From the current coaching staff and players standpoint, he's a leader, a team captain and a stalwart right tackle. As usual, you just cavalierly say he hasn't done anything except get injured... WHAT? The guy got hurt last year but before that, he played in 132 CONSECUTIVE games in college and the NFL. Pointing to JJ's injury history as a negative just proves that there is no level of generalization that you won't stoop to, to try and affirm your side of a discussion. You're taking a guy who is called 'The Rock' beause of his lack of injuries and consecutive games streak, and implying injuries are a problem for a guy the very first time he's EVER missed any playing time in college or the pros. Ridiculous.

As for complaining about Spurrier being the 'only other thing he's done'... that's as shrouded in over-statement as the previous statement. JJ NEVER ONCE said anything about Spurrier while he was here, in fact he steadfastly stood by him DESPITE what he actually felt... which is what came out AFTER Spurrier had left. Even then his boldest statement was that he had never played on a team where he didn't feel like they had a clue what they were doing.

But I guess your spouting all of this non-sense about the ability to say what you want but it only applies to you. Jon Jansen can't express his feelings on a matter. let's just completely ignore the fact that he said NOTHING when it might have affected the team that he is an ELECTED leader of.

Secondly, Ramsey is a bogus joke. I won't reveal what I could really say about him because I am willing to give him the smallest scintilla of the benefit of the doubt. Despite what the HOMERS do indeed fawn over him I have asked one question time and time again and no one dares to reply. What is his career win/loss record? Its that simple. No excuses, no stupid stats-- just the facts. Harrington, Carr, Rotlessburger, McNabb, Brady are all judged by the same criteria.

What does patrick Ramsey have to do with Jon Jansen? In typical fashion, you are now straying off topic to try and strengthen your argument or detract from the original point. Check the rules... this is actually a violation of the rules... keep threads on topic. You CONSTANTLY go off on some tangent to suit your personal quest for conflict regardless of whether it has anything to do with the topic being discussed.

For the record, I don't look at Ramsey in any tainted view and neither do a lot of us... but you arbitrarily cast every member of the board under the bus as always. Sure there are people here that might have a bloated sense of his abilities... they're entitled... as are you to not feel that way. Both sides of that equation are trying to make something black and white, when it is grey. Patrick Ramsey is never going to be Peyton Manning... no doubt about it... but that doesn't make him a bum. He has a great arm, and great leadership ability... two good traits in a QB.

Much of Ramsey's poor record comes from having to play in a system that just didn't work in the NFL. Last year he saw his first starts for a team that didn't try to block 8 blitzers with 5 guys.

He's also a very classy individual who is very appreciative of the fans... a characteristic lost on many modern day players. While that doesn't equate to a hill of beans on the football field, it is certainly something that allows a fan to endear him even more.

Thirdly, this site has some sick perversion with that worthless, pathetic ham-and-egger, ey. HE HAD 6 Touchdowns!!!!! You would have thought he dominated every game, caught 85 passes and was a top rated player. He's nothing more than an h-back, NOT a tight end. I don't like him and I admit it. He is a punk. But I really dislike him because he is a true indicator of how inept and incompetent our offense has been. 6 touchdowns, wow.

... what does ey have to do with Jon Jansen? See above note.

Crazyhorse and I are the best posters on this site because we don't drive the bandwagon nor blame the media (ouch, that one's really going to hurt the homers) for the Redskins embarassing record the past 14 plus years.

I proudly dissent against all things homerish because they are not rooted in logic but in emotion.

I will wait for your reply but I don't think you nor anyone, respectfully, can defeat or even place the smallest of chinks in my arguments.

In closing I think all of you need to pay homage to Crazyhorse and I for what we bring day in and day out to this site---without us it would be one big Redskins bandwagon ride. But we bring the logic and in return we get bashed. But I have noticed more and more of the posters in this site agreeing with me because they know I am right.

Any body that would proclaim themselves the best poster needs no further comment... yep, you're a legend in your own mind. What more needs to be said? This place would be so lost without you. I'm sure that if you stopped posting right now, this board would be shut down by tomorrow. What would be the point without you?

I'm willing to bet that if I were to add an ignore button to the site that your username would be right up there though. But I suppose that you'll think that's because the 'homers' don't want to hear what you have to say. In reality... it's because you just don't bring much substance to any of your dialogue. You like to argue, not to discuss. Actually, you don't even like to argue, what you do is contradict.... and everyone knows that, ' Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.' - monty Python

It's obviously your nature to look for the bad instead of the good, but I think people would gladly grant you that stance. It's the fact that your constant lack of substance in many arguments leads you to just drop out of conversations when it becomes difficult for you to affirm your case. Or you'll try and deflect the course of the thread to something totally unrelated so that you can continue to go off... like in this thread.

Tout yourself as a great post-er all you like but you don't just get to arbitrarily cast off everyone else's opinion in affairs like this. Your quality as a post-er is judged on what others think of what you post, not your own personal opinion of it and therefore, the opinion of others has great validity. And I doubt you'd get many 'Top poster' votes.

[EasyMoney]

Without saying what I'd really like to say in reply to this post I will just add that you seem to be slightly delusional when you say I cut and run. AND I HAVE NEVER,EVER, CALLED ANY PARTICULAR POSTER OUT. But you can read this thread and see how some have specifically mentioned my name (against site rules) yet I haven't whined about it.

Actually, you do cut and run. Someone will simply argue the other side of what you're debating and you probably can't think of a way to respond. So you don't. I've seen it in a non-response to some of my posts.

So here goes: What have I written that is wrong IN REGARDS TO THE TEAM AND ITS PLAYERS?

This is a Skins fan site right? You entire attitude towards this team is just strange. It's not wrong as I think someones opinion can't be wrong. But I think it's strange. The offseason is a time to hope for good things out of this team. You write them off before the season starts. No faith.

First of all, Jansen is overrated. Hasn't done anything except complain about Spurrier and get injured. Wow, thats really defenseable.

His 4 years a Michigan (holds the record for most consecutive games played) and then his first 5 years in a Redskins uniform:

GAMES PLAYED

Year Team G GS
1999 Washington Redskins 16 16
2000 Washington Redskins 16 16
2001 Washington Redskins 16 16
2002 Washington Redskins 16 16
2003 Washington Redskins 16 16
2004 Washington Redskins 0 0
TOTAL 80 80

He IS one of the most durable and consistent players in the league. That doesn't matter to you though right? You want to flush him down the toilet because he had a freak injury in one of his 10 years of competing at a high level. He didn't miss a game in 9 straight years and you're ready to throw him under a bus. Since when has football not been a rough sport? Injuries happen. You should give him the benefit of the doubt.

Secondly, Ramsey is a bogus joke. I won't reveal what I could really say about him because I am willing to give him the smallest scintilla of the benefit of the doubt. Despite what the HOMERS do indeed fawn over him I have asked one question time and time again and no one dares to reply. What is his career win/loss record? Its that simple. No excuses, no stupid stats-- just the facts. Harrington, Carr, Rotlessburger, McNabb, Brady are all judged by the same criteria.

His win/loss record isn't the greatest in the world, but I don't understand how you can ask us to look at that ratio and then ask us to disregard stats and OTHER facts. You want us to see things your way but you refuse to see things our way. This will be his 4th year. We've been over the reason for his possible shortcomings. I don't want to get into that. I'd rather disect your post. If Gibbs has faith in Patrick I think we all should. But who cares what Gibbs thinks right?

Thirdly, this site has some sick perversion with that worthless, pathetic ham-and-egger, ey. HE HAD 6 Touchdowns!!!!! You would have thought he dominated every game, caught 85 passes and was a top rated player. He's nothing more than an h-back, NOT a tight end. I don't like him and I admit it. He is a punk. But I really dislike him because he is a true indicator of how inept and incompetent our offense has been. 6 touchdowns, wow.

HE WAS A ROOKIE THAT DIDN'T START FOR HALF OF THE SEASON! I've argued this with you before and this is one you ran away from. WHY don't you like him? WHAT has he done in your eyes that doesn't prove his worth to this team? NOT a TE you say? Maybe not for the Redskins but can he play the position? I think so. Maybe you haven't read this:

He was a finalist for the Mackey Award, given to the nations top tight end. He was team captain and was also voted Offensive MVP. He led the nations tight ends in receptions and yards when he snagged a career-high 62 passes for 732 yards and six touchdowns.

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=1271

Crazyhorse and I are the best posters on this site because we don't drive the bandwagon nor blame the media (ouch, that one's really going to hurt the homers) for the Redskins embarassing record the past 14 plus years.

So being negative makes you the best? I'm glad that you can toot your own horn. Are any of us happy about what has happened since Gibbs left? What do you think? Does that mean we'll throw the towel in every year because of what's happened in years past? NO! The man who brought us all of our glory is back on the sidelines in his second year and you have no faith in him. Yea, you're the best!!!

I proudly dissent against all things homerish because they are not rooted in logic but in emotion.

We can go back to the definition of fanatic if you'd like. We're just as logical as you think you are. We just do it with optimism.

I will wait for your reply but I don't think you nor anyone, respectfully, can defeat or even place the smallest of chinks in my arguments.

No, what you'll do is just disregard everyones rebuttal. We're not as "logical" as you though right?

In closing I think all of you need to pay homage to Crazyhorse and I for what we bring day in and day out to this site---without us it would be one big Redskins bandwagon ride. But we bring the logic and in return we get bashed. But I have noticed more and more of the posters in this site agreeing with me because they know I am right.

Pay homage? That'll be the day! Get off of your high negative horse for a minute. What you bring is worthless debates about things we've already argued for the past... 6 months or so. How many of us are bandwagoneers? Do you know the definition of a bandwagon fan? Loyalty is the complete opposite of a bandwagon fan. What you do is bash. On a Redskins fan site none-the-less. If you bash our players (especially as a supposed "fan") you're going to get bashed. Where is your wonderful logic there? You don't expect that? Were you born yesterday?

[Gibbs' Hog]

First of all, Jansen is overrated. Hasn't done anything except complain about Spurrier and get injured. Wow, thats really defenseable.

If one did not follow the Redskins, based on the comment above, one would think that Jansen is a rookie trying to make the team this year. What an idiot. He hasn't done anything except complain?

Secondly, Ramsey is a bogus joke. I won't reveal what I could really say about him because I am willing to give him the smallest scintilla of the benefit of the doubt. Despite what the HOMERS do indeed fawn over him I have asked one question time and time again and no one dares to reply. What is his career win/loss record? Its that simple. No excuses, no stupid stats-- just the facts. Harrington, Carr, Rotlessburger, McNabb, Brady are all judged by the same criteria.

What the F is a homer?! All the 'home-run hitters'? Homer Simpson? He's accomplished a lot more than you.

Thirdly, this site has some sick perversion with that worthless, pathetic ham-and-egger, ey. HE HAD 6 Touchdowns!!!!! You would have thought he dominated every game, caught 85 passes and was a top rated player. He's nothing more than an h-back, NOT a tight end. I don't like him and I admit it. He is a punk. But I really dislike him because he is a true indicator of how inept and incompetent our offense has been. 6 touchdowns, wow.

Are you blaming him for the offensive incompetence last year? It was his own fault that he did not have the 40 tds that you expected from a rookie?

Why do you think he is a punk? Did you guys used to be friends?

I would hate to see the NFL if it were run by a guy like you. There would apparently be two teams - the AFC and the NFC all-stars. Oh wait, even THAT wouldn't work, because you think half of the guys there don't even deserve it.

Crazyhorse and I are the best posters on this site because we don't drive the bandwagon nor blame the media (ouch, that one's really going to hurt the homers) for the Redskins embarassing record the past 14 plus years.

You ARE the bandwaggon. You said it yourself; you won't shut up until the skins make the postseason.

And you are NOT the best posters on this site. If everyone agreed with you, we would all need anti-depressant medications and be placed on suicide watch. You bring NO fanfare to the team you supposedly root for. And you are probably the only person who boos at the stadium after every single missed pass.

And who blames the media for poor play?! People can disagree with the media's opinions of players, but nobody believes that it is the media's fault when a player performs poorly.

I proudly dissent against all things homerish

Please make sense. This over-and-over again statement of yours about your fantasy 'homer world' has nothing to do with football.

I will wait for your reply but I don't think you nor anyone, respectfully, can defeat or even place the smallest of chinks in my arguments.

The most ignorant and abusive people of all are those that believe they are never wrong.

Most of your statements attempt to predict the future, based on past stats. If I had told you last year that Brian Roberts of the Orioles would lead the AL in batting avg at the All-Star brak this year, you would have utilized your sniveling, snide, and I-know-more-than-you remarks to tell me what an idiot I am. And you would have been wrong.

Seeing as how you can predict the future, please inform me as to when the Redskins will win the Super Bowl again.

Oh, and also inform me as to when and where the next terrorist attacks will take place, when man will walk on Mars, and when flying cars will be put into mass production. Based on past statistics, you should have all the answers.

In closing I think all of you need to pay homage to Crazyhorse and I for what we bring day in and day out to this site---without us it would be one big Redskins bandwagon ride. But we bring the logic and in return we get bashed. But I have noticed more and more of the posters in this site agreeing with me because they know I am right.

Oooohhhhmmmmmmm. Oooohhhmmmmmm. Oh, all powerful Dali Lama, please tell me my future.

This is the most ridiculous statement you have made yet. You bring the logic? No, no, no. a logical person may disagree with everyone, but at least realize that, when attempting to state a prediction, they may be no more right than the next person. You insist that you are right about everything. That is not logical. If you had the superhuman ability to predict every future event (solely based on what you consider poor prior statistics), you would not be here.


Your arrogance is unbelievable, but fitting. It will be well deserved when you are proven wrong (and devastating, emotionally) - which probably happens every day if you act this way around your peers. However, you will probably not be affected, as you will completely deny any misgivings and simply move onto the next ridiculous prediction.

By the way, you are seriously confused about what a bandwagon fan is. It is not a fan with more optimism than others. It is someone who trashes the team constantly (you), and then jumps in the celebration as soon as success is reached (you - again, you said it yourself).

Good luck, man. Perhaps you should change to a Patriots fan. Or at least the next team that wins the Super Bowl.[/quote]

[Gibbs' Hog]

Wow.

Apparently, there were a lot of lengthy rebuttals to his last post.

[Chris Luva Luva]

skins_dominHate... you want to make a point of calling people out and blah, blah, blah... just one question... if you're so comfortable in your views... why do you bow out of EVERY SINGLE football conversation i've ever had with you? EVERY ONE... you just disappear from any thread where what you have said has been effectively refuted.

So much so that some people here know you for THAT more than your pessimism.


I find your posts a complete waste of time and were it not for having to moderate them, I'd skip them entirely for their complete lack of substance.

Without saying what I'd really like to say in reply to this post I will just add that you seem to be slightly delusional when you say I cut and run. AND I HAVE NEVER,EVER, CALLED ANY PARTICULAR POSTER OUT. But you can read this thread and see how some have specifically mentioned my name (against site rules) yet I haven't whined about it.

So here goes: What have I written that is wrong IN REGARDS TO THE TEAM AND ITS PLAYERS?

Hmmmm....so let me start.

First of all, Jansen is overrated. Hasn't done anything except complain about Spurrier and get injured. Wow, thats really defenseable.

Secondly, Ramsey is a bogus joke. I won't reveal what I could really say about him because I am willing to give him the smallest scintilla of the benefit of the doubt. Despite what the HOMERS do indeed fawn over him I have asked one question time and time again and no one dares to reply. What is his career win/loss record? Its that simple. No excuses, no stupid stats-- just the facts. Harrington, Carr, Rotlessburger, McNabb, Brady are all judged by the same criteria.

Thirdly, this site has some sick perversion with that worthless, pathetic ham-and-egger, ey. HE HAD 6 Touchdowns!!!!! You would have thought he dominated every game, caught 85 passes and was a top rated player. He's nothing more than an h-back, NOT a tight end. I don't like him and I admit it. He is a punk. But I really dislike him because he is a true indicator of how inept and incompetent our offense has been. 6 touchdowns, wow.

Crazyhorse and I are the best posters on this site because we don't drive the bandwagon nor blame the media (ouch, that one's really going to hurt the homers) for the Redskins embarassing record the past 14 plus years.

I proudly dissent against all things homerish because they are not rooted in logic but in emotion.

I will wait for your reply but I don't think you nor anyone, respectfully, can defeat or even place the smallest of chinks in my arguments.

In closing I think all of you need to pay homage to Crazyhorse and I for what we bring day in and day out to this site---without us it would be one big Redskins bandwagon ride. But we bring the logic and in return we get bashed. But I have noticed more and more of the posters in this site agreeing with me because they know I am right.

SKINZ_DOMIN8, you forgot to add the [/sarcasm] tags on the end of your post.

[Gibbs' Hog]

No, he actually believes that he is the all-knowing master of the universe that is never wrong.

[welch]

Welcome, Deepthoughtlife, who said:

On offense, I'm not a big believer in Joe Gibbs (I have no reason to be as I am not familiar with his previous coaching stint except that he was supposedly good) and whatever OC they might have dredged up (if they even have), but Joe Bugel is a very good oline coach,

Gibbs was more than supposedly good in his first run. If, as you rightly believe, Bugel is a very good OL coach, consider that Gibbs is even better as a head coach and offensive thinker. It was Gibbs who decided that the offensive blocking schemes were key to everything, and who hired Bugel to get the OL to get them right.

Opposing coaches used to believe that the most dangerous part of a game against the Redskins was halftime, when Joe Gibbs would adjust. He has had an off-season to study the film, which he does more heavily and deeply than any other coach. Consider this off-season as half-time times 100.

This will be a good year.

And, just so we remember what started this thread, it will be very good to have Jansen back. That gives the Redskins OL their genuine starters at all positions. Plus Cory Raymer backing at center, and Raymer is no slouch...not the best in the game, but more than competent. And it frees Ray Brown to cover all positions. And we haven't seen just how good the two reserve kids can be. Since Gibbs and Bugel drafted them -- not Spurrier -- I assume they have potential.

[Jake]

Uh oh, where did he go?

[sch1977]

Uh oh, where did he go?

He is trying to come up with another negative point about the skins

[JPFair]

I'm still waiting for SKINZ_DOMIN8 to come up with a rebuttal, as well as to prove that he doesn't cut and run.

[sch1977]

I'm still waiting for SKINZ_DOMIN8 to come up with a rebuttal, as well as to prove that he doesn't cut and run.

So much for that theory!

[DeathByLinebacker#56]

Jansen is a core Redskin and will give it everything he's got, what more could you ask for. Are you listening ST???