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MyrtleBeachRedskin wrote:First you proved nothing to me Easy. I matched the numbers up. I also went through only about 10 players to get those numbers. No one is going to be exactly matched up perfectly.

Second, if anyone in here thinks that if you miss a full years work that your boss does not look at you and expect you to work that much harder when you come back. You are insane. Once again, I do not think we should get rid of him. OVERRATED is definitely what I think he deserves right now.

Skinsjock I am not saying any of this to get a response. Would love to see him come out and shut me up. First and foremost I am a skins fan.

If you think you get injured on the job (assuming it is in the normal course of business) and you subsequently get fired, you are insane. I have never heard of anyone having to prove themselve after an injury. You act like LaVar is subpar when he plays. Are you watching the same team I am?

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:On this topic, in general, I agree with you, Gibbs' Hog. However, injuries should, and do, affect how a player is perceived in the NFL. In fact, injury proneness is a huge factor on guys coming out of college.

Arrington isn't a walking hazzard when it comes to injuries, but he hasn't had the same solid record that a guy like Chris Sammuels, Marcus Washington, or Randy Thomas has had.

If we start calling Arrington an allstar, we also have to take into account injuries that he's suffered over his carreer, and how prone he might be to getting more. Part of a player's value is how good of a chance a team has of seeing that player on the field for 13-16 games each season.

Not a counter-argument to what you were saying, just something else to consider.

I dont think you can call LaVar "injury prone". You guys act like he has been hurt more than he has played. As a matter of fact, he has missed a total of 2 games (excluding last season) in four years. Sorry for the earlier double post

I never really made a detailed statement as to how "injury-prone" Lavar is. Aside from this past year, I seem to recall he had a pretty good (but not perfect) record.

What I actually said was:

Arrington isn't a walking hazzard when it comes to injuries, but he hasn't had the same solid record that a guy like Chris Sammuels, Marcus Washington, or Randy Thomas has had.

If we start calling Arrington an allstar, we also have to take into account injuries that he's suffered over his carreer, and how prone he might be to getting more.

Very general, I know. . .but I never claimed to have the authoritative diagnosis on Lavar's injury-proneness. Gibbs' Hog had said that injuries weren't a factor in whether or not a player is overrated, and I disagreed.

Lavar is all mouth and tears. End of story.

Until he leads a defense (WHICH WAS BETTER WITHOUT HIS CHUMP CARCASS LAST SEASON) to the playoffs or hell, even a winning record then no true football fan is going to give a rat's bum about him.

He wants more money? Hell, I think the Skins should trade him for picks now since our Defense and Greg Williams doesn't need "Mr. Can't Get Right" Arrington.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Lavar is all mouth and tears. End of story.

Until he leads a defense (WHICH WAS BETTER WITHOUT HIS CHUMP CARCASS LAST SEASON) to the playoffs or hell, even a winning record then no true football fan is going to give a rat's bum about him.

He wants more money? Hell, I think the Skins should trade him for picks now since our Defense and Greg Williams doesn't need "Mr. Can't Get Right" Arrington.

If I recall correctly, werent the skins ranked #5 in the NFL under Marvin Lewis with Arrington leading the way?

sch1977 wrote:

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Lavar is all mouth and tears. End of story.

Until he leads a defense (WHICH WAS BETTER WITHOUT HIS CHUMP CARCASS LAST SEASON) to the playoffs or hell, even a winning record then no true football fan is going to give a rat's bum about him.

He wants more money? Hell, I think the Skins should trade him for picks now since our Defense and Greg Williams doesn't need "Mr. Can't Get Right" Arrington.

If I recall correctly, werent the skins ranked #5 in the NFL under Marvin Lewis with Arrington leading the way?

..........And didn't he whine and cry that he was being "misused" by "Mr. Can't Get Right" himself?

Ok we have gotten a little carried away. I should have left the arguement to just physical jobs and not pencil pushing. If you get hurt the way Lavar got hurt. It affects your performance. Also, he got paid last year while the Redskins finished higher in all categories without him.

So he had nothing to do with the defenses success last year. And if one of you tell me that he did I am going to puke. That coach from the sidelines bull is not going to work because of his problems with the organization.

EASY, if it would make you feel better I will go through every linebacker in the league. Since I already have brought up a bunch with comparable stats. I guess you need more. Also, not being able to play does say something about him. You can not tell me his stats would be all that great or the team would have been better because it never happened. I do not want to hear about what he would have done or will do!!! Lets see it! I took stats from players along the same time frame, which was the FIRST FIVE YARS IN THE LEAGUE. I would be more than happy to look more up for you. That just include the career over the past five years.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:

sch1977 wrote:

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Lavar is all mouth and tears. End of story.

Until he leads a defense (WHICH WAS BETTER WITHOUT HIS CHUMP CARCASS LAST SEASON) to the playoffs or hell, even a winning record then no true football fan is going to give a rat's bum about him.

He wants more money? Hell, I think the Skins should trade him for picks now since our Defense and Greg Williams doesn't need "Mr. Can't Get Right" Arrington.

If I recall correctly, werent the skins ranked #5 in the NFL under Marvin Lewis with Arrington leading the way?

..........And didn't he whine and cry that he was being "misused" by "Mr. Can't Get Right" himself?

Your arguement was that he couldnt lead a defense, correct?

MyrtleBeachRedskin wrote:Ok we have gotten a little carried away. I should have left the arguement to just physical jobs and not pencil pushing. If you get hurt the way Lavar got hurt. It affects your performance. Also, he got paid last year while the Redskins finished higher in all categories without him.

So he had nothing to do with the defenses success last year. And if one of you tell me that he did I am going to puke. That coach from the sidelines bull is not going to work because of his problems with the organization.

EASY, if it would make you feel better I will go through every linebacker in the league. Since I already have brought up a bunch with comparable stats. I guess you need more. Also, not being able to play does say something about him. You can not tell me his stats would be all that great or the team would have been better because it never happened. I do not want to hear about what he would have done or will do!!! Lets see it! I took stats from players along the same time frame, which was the FIRST FIVE YARS IN THE LEAGUE. I would be more than happy to look more up for you. That just include the career over the past five years.

Alright, fellas, let's keep this civil. Technically, there haven't been any rules broken (yet), but the argument is clearly headed in that direction. I'm not calling out anyone in particular, this is just a general warning to keep it clean.

If you're going to contribute to a thread, contribute to its content, not to an atmosphere of disrespect.

Feel free to go at each other, call each other names, insult each other's intelligence, etc. . . .just do it n the Smack Forum.

Please and thank you.

MyrtleBeachRedskin wrote:Ok we have gotten a little carried away. I should have left the arguement to just physical jobs and not pencil pushing. If you get hurt the way Lavar got hurt. It affects your performance. Also, he got paid last year while the Redskins finished higher in all categories without him.

So he had nothing to do with the defenses success last year. And if one of you tell me that he did I am going to puke. That coach from the sidelines bull is not going to work because of his problems with the organization.

EASY, if it would make you feel better I will go through every linebacker in the league. Since I already have brought up a bunch with comparable stats. I guess you need more. Also, not being able to play does say something about him. You can not tell me his stats would be all that great or the team would have been better because it never happened. I do not want to hear about what he would have done or will do!!! Lets see it! I took stats from players along the same time frame, which was the FIRST FIVE YARS IN THE LEAGUE. I would be more than happy to look more up for you. That just include the career over the past five years.

That is exactly what I'd like you to do. The problem is, I already did it for you. If you'd like to double check my research... feel free. What's this B.S. about what he would have done or will do? How about what he HAS done? That's not good enough? You know what double check my research if you'd like, but tell me who you would rather have on the outside other than LaVar. This should be good...

I like the emoticon. No real need to respond

Easy what research did you do? You gave Lavar's stats and that was it.


And the look at what he has done for us statement. Yea last time I checked he over ran a ton of plays, ended a career that was fading anyway, and ran back a pass that was thrown right to him. Also how many years have we been to the playoffs while he has been here. Yea RAY only has one title but, they are perennial playoff contenders because he makes everyone on that defense better. There offense is just as bad as ours. Without Lavar this year we were better. How does that make sense. Your right this arguement is pointless.

Easy what exactly are you looking for? So that I do not have to do this anymore. I already gave you several names with stats. By the way on of those guys happens to play for us!

MyrtleBeachRedskin wrote:Easy what research did you do? You gave Lavar's stats and that was it.


And the look at what he has done for us statement. Yea last time I checked he over ran a ton of plays, ended a career that was fading anyway, and ran back a pass that was thrown right to him. Also how many years have we been to the playoffs while he has been here. Yea RAY only has one title but, they are perennial playoff contenders because he makes everyone on that defense better. There offense is just as bad as ours. Without Lavar this year we were better. How does that make sense. Your right this arguement is pointless.

Easy what exactly are you looking for? So that I do not have to do this anymore. I already gave you several names with stats. By the way on of those guys happens to play for us!

MBR, before I go blabbing about this, that and the other I make sure I know what I'm talking about. I did the research myself and didn't post it to any thread. In fact I posted the LB's who were closest, not just LaVar's. The ones I've already stated over and over again. I'm not about the post the stat lines of every single linebacker in the league. Is that what you'd like me to do? The more you post on this the more your knowledge of football seeps through for everyone to see. We already had this argument and I'd rather not do it again. Good coach vs. bad coach. There are 11 men on each side of the ball. Not JUST one. And yes I know who Marcus Washington is, no need to clarify that for me. Like I've said for the millionth time. These guys are very CLOSE but LaVar STILL HAS THEM. Got it?

MY thoughts on lavar has to be his knee.How bad is his knee?Will it ever be the same?Can lavar pull a Terry allen and come back from a bad knee injury?How many of you think that when he does return, that it will only take a couple of games for it to show whether or not his knee will ever be the same.I know he hasn't got that long until preseason and he watched from the sidelines at the ota's.I will say that it's wrong for the sports writers to pick on a man when he is down but what else is new.

skins2win wrote:Don't forget that it was Lavar, several years ago, who single handedly turned our season around with a late game interception and run back against the Panthers

Yup! Let everyone kick us while we're "Down". When they put the pigskin on the turf, we'll see. Predictions are just that...Predictions. Here is mine....Philthadelphia won't win the division! You heard it here first.

HitDoctor wrote:

skins2win wrote:Don't forget that it was Lavar, several years ago, who single handedly turned our season around with a late game interception and run back against the Panthers

Yup! Let everyone kick us while we're "Down". When they put the pigskin on the turf, we'll see. Predictions are just that...Predictions. Here is mine....Philthadelphia won't win the division! You heard it here first.

I like that prediction. Gives us better odds....

oneman56 wrote:LaVar is far from the most overrated player in the NFL, but that's for another argument. Does anyone remember how well he played in the preseason last year under Gregg Williams? I still dream about that pancake he layed on Vick and can't wait for it to happen again...and it will...THIS YEAR! Last year would've been his breakout year had it not been for the injury, LaVar will thrive in this system and make anyone with negative comments regret their words.

Speaking of Vick, he should be ahead of LA in the overated column. While were at it, Donavan McNabb was the most overated player in the NFL until Rush Limbaugh opened his mouth two seasons ago. Rush was right about him being overated (the black QB, media stuff - he is on his own there)!

D Mac didn't live up to half his hype until last year and he still pulled a Mariono/Manning in the big game.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 wrote:Until he leads a defense (WHICH WAS BETTER WITHOUT HIS CHUMP CARCASS LAST SEASON) to the playoffs or hell, even a winning record then no true football fan is going to give a rat's bum about him.

Actually, it was better because the Chump himself was not here to screw it up by just being him post-2002.

It all started when lavar did that stupid espn gameshow, I think it was "who wants to be a sports anchor"it seemed to mark a turning point from lavar the monster LB to lavar the future television analyst

Lavar's moments have been few and far between so far.

However, I believe his best days are still ahead of him and it may not even be this year. It's likely that Lavar will be getting off to a slow start this year because after all he is still injured. He won't be ready for training camp and therefore he will be brought along slowly.

Ironically he will be brought along EXTRA slowly due mainly to his own BIG mouth. Since he accused Joe Gibbs of forcing him to play early, before his injury had healed, now Lavar will not set foot on the field until way after he has already healed. This is called putting your foot in your mouth, and he has been good at it.

I think he has a good year, but 2006 will be an all pro year for him, not this year.

I'm of the opinion that Lavar is overrated as well. Lavar has shown flashes of brilliance, but he has often overran his assignments which cost us yards and points. Lavar has been quite a selfish player throughout his career, and it's time for that to come to an end. Going for the big play instead of holding your position does not work in the NFL. Play your system and the plays will come to you. Especially if your a freak of nature like Lavar is.

Lavar saw what the system can do for a defense last year. He saw average LBs make the defense better than he ever did. Lavar needs to decide if he wants to be a part of that system or if he wants to force Gibbs to move him out of washington in the next couple years.

I love Lavars ability, passion, intensity, and loyalty, but it's time for Lavar to quit whining to the press, get fricking healthy, and do what coach Williams says, and like it!!!

Since he is so overrated, maybe we can get a 5th or 6th round pick for him next year. You same people who say he is overrated will be the ones basking in the glory when he does well. You cant have it both ways

Did Michael Vick perform after his injury? Yes. Do defenses fear his ability since his injury? Yes. Was he overrated while he was injured; and then 'not' afterwards? Probably - which would be hypocritical, and put the 'overrated' argument to rest.

This is why I don't think you can say LaVar's injury makes him overrated. The only way we will know for sure is after we see him play.

sch1977 wrote:Since he is so overrated, maybe we can get a 5th or 6th round pick for him next year. You same people who say he is overrated will be the ones basking in the glory when he does well. You cant have it both ways

first, we need at least a 1st rounder for him. Second, we can't trade him unless his contract is nullified by the arbitrator.

Lastly, of course I can have it both ways. Lavar is selfish. If he becomes a team guy instead of a ME guy, then he will have a hall of fame career. Sorry, but I will be pretty damn happy about it if that happens. Just because I consider him overrated, I can't enjoy him once he's no longer overrated? How does that make sense? I never said he sucks and he'll never be any good.