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ATV wrote:Keep the logo - it's a respectful logo. Honor a local tribe and call them the Potomacs. Perhaps I'll make a poll concerning this....
SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
stwasm wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.
cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.
SkinsHead56 wrote:cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.
Hey Cville,
I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.
A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.
Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent
cvillehog wrote:SkinsHead56 wrote:cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.
Hey Cville,
I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.
A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.
Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent
Sounds like a play on words to me. I thought you liked puns?
stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
stwasm wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It is what it is - get over it.
For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
stwasm wrote:1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?
.cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?
That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.
stwasm wrote:cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?
That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.
"Redskins" is STILL offensive. If enough Native Americans say that it is, they ought to know.
stwasm wrote:"Redskins" is STILL offensive. If enough Native Americans say that it is, they ought to know.
Just the same, a Peter Harris Research Group's finding in a poll for Sports Illustrated a few years ago asked Indian people on and off reservations what they thought about the matter. The result showed 81 percent favored the use of "Indians," "Braves," "Warriors," etc., for high school and college teams, and 83 percent thought pro teams should continue using such nicknames, too.
But the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has condemned the practice and members of the Seminole tribe of Oklahoma want Florida State to quit calling its athletic teams "Seminoles." That's even though the Seminole tribe of Florida is staunchly in favor of the nickname.
cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?
That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.
SkinsHead56 wrote:cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?
That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.
To all of you who feel that the term redskin is not a racially derogatory term, and that it is in fact a term rooted in honor. I have a dare for you.
The next time you see or are introduced to an American Indian (by the way my friend said that he prefers to be address by the nation he belongs to i.e. Chumash, Sioux, Navaho etc.), try this.
Joe Redskins fan to any American Indian descendant:
“Hello, sir I am such a fan of the Washington Redskins, it is truly an honor to meet a real redskin”
See how that goes over. Then come back and post your experience rather than just stating that redskin is not derogatory or offensive to you.
Gibbs' Hog wrote:Does knowing someone who is 1/16 Native American count?
I think the only solution here is to create an expansion team with an average white guy as the mascot. It will offset the opposition to the Redskins, and many, many white people can then stage a fight against the derrogatory term of whiteskin. After all, the suggestion of a non-pigmented-skin colored mascot would be a direct insult to those that demand to be referred to only as Caucasian.
Hail to the white skins!!!!!!!
cvillehog wrote:SkinsHead56 wrote:cvillehog wrote:stwasm wrote:1niksder wrote:stwasm wrote:For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.
The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.
It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?
That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.
To all of you who feel that the term redskin is not a racially derogatory term, and that it is in fact a term rooted in honor. I have a dare for you.
The next time you see or are introduced to an American Indian (by the way my friend said that he prefers to be address by the nation he belongs to i.e. Chumash, Sioux, Navaho etc.), try this.
Joe Redskins fan to any American Indian descendant:
“Hello, sir I am such a fan of the Washington Redskins, it is truly an honor to meet a real redskin”
See how that goes over. Then come back and post your experience rather than just stating that redskin is not derogatory or offensive to you.
I would never be in a position to say that, as I have known American Indians my entire life, so meeting one is far from unusual for me.
William "Lone Star" Dietz, former coach and namesake of the Washington Redskins: