Redskins, Braves will get new IDs

[stwasm]

Keep the logo - it's a respectful logo. Honor a local tribe and call them the Potomacs. Perhaps I'll make a poll concerning this....

You know what? I REALLY like that idea. And I believe "Redskins" is offensive.

[SkinsJock]

Some people move into a home near the airport then complain about the noise. It is what it is - get over it.

The Washington Redskins - sounds great and looks even better.

[stwasm]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

[cvillehog]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.

[SkinsLaVar]

yeh...woohoo go Potamics!

uh.....

[stwasm]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.

To wit, I was watching "Gunsmoke" a few days ago and a character in the episode said that he wasn't "gonna take no orders from some dirty Redskin." Not exactly a term of endearment there. I also can think of plenty of Westerns where that term was used as a disparaging remark.

[SkinsHead56]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.

Hey Cville,

I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.

A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.

Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent

[cvillehog]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.

Hey Cville,

I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.

A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.

Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent

Sounds like a play on words to me. I thought you liked puns?

[SkinsHead56]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

Ok, I'll ask you as well: provide some evidence of the term "redskin" being a commonly used racial slur within the last 50 or so years.

Hey Cville,

I found you a published example of redskin being used as a derogatry remark. It is a line in a film actually and within the 50year time limit you set.

A film starring Val Kilmer (no relation to Billy) called Thunderheart. Set on an Indian reservation in Arizona.

Kilmer plays a FBI agent (who happens to be part American Indian) investigating a murder on the reservation. As he walks by a group of men (American Indians as well), they comment
“Hey it’s the Washington redskin” refering to the fact that he is a Native American but also a FBI agent

Sounds like a play on words to me. I thought you liked puns?

Now you duck the issue and evidence at hand. What are you saying exactly? Know this the more you deny the fact that redskin is indeed a racist term, the more it proves that it is.
You stated in another tread that the term "Dirty Redskin" is offensive only because the word "dirty" is attached to the phrase. Try using the same logic with the racist terms beaner or cracker.

[1niksder]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

this isuse will be back on the shelf in about 2 and a half weeks

[Chris Luva Luva]

It is what it is - get over it.

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

If everyone is so worried about the feelings of native americans than how about we start by giving them their land back....all of it. The land that was taken from them through disease, murder, deceit, force.... Yea how about that?

[stwasm]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

[cvillehog]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.

[Scottskins]

Would somebody please post the background of how this term came to be used as our team name. It's been shown many times in the past that this term was definitely NOT racist during the time it was first used on the end of our name, the name was taken in fact to honor and not degrade, and today even, fans that don't like us call us foreskins or some such drivel, not redskins to talk down to us.

The term Redskins is NOT racist now, it was NOT racist when it was put to our teams name, and most importantly, we are not going to change it unless forced to, and that aint happening any time soon.

[HitDoctor]

What do we have to do to make sure the name doesn't change? There must be an atorney on this board that will help our fight to keep the name?

[BossHog]

Every offseason we have this conversation... and every offseason, a bunch of people get their knickers in a bunch.

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[stwasm]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.

"Redskins" is STILL offensive. If enough Native Americans say that it is, they ought to know.

[cvillehog]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home games in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.

"Redskins" is STILL offensive. If enough Native Americans say that it is, they ought to know.

First of all, the prefered term is Indian, not Native American. So, do you think that, just maybe, you are not the most knowledgible person on what Indians think and feel if you don't even know what they call themselves?

[Gibbs' Hog]

I am offended every time someone calls me a whiteskin.

[Deadskins]

"Redskins" is STILL offensive. If enough Native Americans say that it is, they ought to know.

Just the same, a Peter Harris Research Group's finding in a poll for Sports Illustrated a few years ago asked Indian people on and off reservations what they thought about the matter. The result showed 81 percent favored the use of "Indians," "Braves," "Warriors," etc., for high school and college teams, and 83 percent thought pro teams should continue using such nicknames, too.

But the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has condemned the practice and members of the Seminole tribe of Oklahoma want Florida State to quit calling its athletic teams "Seminoles." That's even though the Seminole tribe of Florida is staunchly in favor of the nickname.

A vast majority say it is not offensive. This is not about racist team names, this is about whether or not Indians should be used as mascots at all. These people are injecting race into the issue to try and make their cause more sympathetic. Nobody involved with this organization uses "Redskins" in a racist or even derogatory way.

[SkinsHead56]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.

To all of you who feel that the term redskin is not a racially derogatory term, and that it is in fact a term rooted in honor. I have a dare for you.

The next time you see or are introduced to an American Indian (by the way my friend said that he prefers to be address by the nation he belongs to i.e. Chumash, Sioux, Navaho etc.), try this.

Joe Redskins fan to any American Indian descendant:
“Hello, sir I am such a fan of the Washington Redskins, it is truly an honor to meet a real redskin”

See how that goes over. Then come back and post your experience rather than just stating that redskin is not derogatory or offensive to you.

[cvillehog]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.

To all of you who feel that the term redskin is not a racially derogatory term, and that it is in fact a term rooted in honor. I have a dare for you.

The next time you see or are introduced to an American Indian (by the way my friend said that he prefers to be address by the nation he belongs to i.e. Chumash, Sioux, Navaho etc.), try this.

Joe Redskins fan to any American Indian descendant:
“Hello, sir I am such a fan of the Washington Redskins, it is truly an honor to meet a real redskin”

See how that goes over. Then come back and post your experience rather than just stating that redskin is not derogatory or offensive to you.

I would never be in a position to say that, as I have known American Indians my entire life, so meeting one is far from unusual for me.

William "Lone Star" Dietz, former coach and namesake of the Washington Redskins:

[Gibbs' Hog]

Does knowing someone who is 1/16 Native American count?



I think the only solution here is to create an expansion team with an average white guy as the mascot. It will offset the opposition to the Redskins, and many, many white people can then stage a fight against the derrogatory term of whiteskin. After all, the suggestion of a non-pigmented-skin colored mascot would be a direct insult to those that demand to be referred to only as Caucasian.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Does knowing someone who is 1/16 Native American count?



I think the only solution here is to create an expansion team with an average white guy as the mascot. It will offset the opposition to the Redskins, and many, many white people can then stage a fight against the derrogatory term of whiteskin. After all, the suggestion of a non-pigmented-skin colored mascot would be a direct insult to those that demand to be referred to only as Caucasian.

Hail to the white skins!!!!!!!


that felt slightly....wrong.

[SkinsHead56]

For you to say "get over it" shows a real lack of sensitivity to minorities and the oppression they've faced over the last 400 years. Until you understand the Native American experience, or that of any minority, for that matter, you can't possibly understand the pain and hatred certain terms evoke. It's a racist name and you're kidding yourself if you believe it isn't.

The word Redskin is considered a racist term. When refering to the NFL franchise that represents Washington, is based in Virgina and plays it home <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> in Maryland the term "redskin" is not used disparagingly. So I see no problem with this.

It doesn't matter whether Washington, Virginia or Maryland is attached to it. It is a racist word period. Are you saying that if the team was called the Washington N-----s, the N-word here wouldn't be just as offensive?

That is a poor analogy, the N-word is far, far more offensive, and is a currently-used racial invective.

To all of you who feel that the term redskin is not a racially derogatory term, and that it is in fact a term rooted in honor. I have a dare for you.

The next time you see or are introduced to an American Indian (by the way my friend said that he prefers to be address by the nation he belongs to i.e. Chumash, Sioux, Navaho etc.), try this.

Joe Redskins fan to any American Indian descendant:
“Hello, sir I am such a fan of the Washington Redskins, it is truly an honor to meet a real redskin”

See how that goes over. Then come back and post your experience rather than just stating that redskin is not derogatory or offensive to you.

I would never be in a position to say that, as I have known American Indians my entire life, so meeting one is far from unusual for me.

William "Lone Star" Dietz, former coach and namesake of the Washington Redskins:

On the contrary as meeting American Indians is not uncommon for you, you should have plenty of opportunities to use this honored term as you address the people you know.