Arrington witness to Shooting

[WshSkins22]

First...go back and read what I wrote about fans defending perfect strangers that they never met.

Second, read the part of the stroy where Lavar rented an 1800 square foot mansion to throw a party. Do you think a lot of white church members were there or more likely a bunch of hoochie mamas and chain wearing, gun toting, drug dealers might have shown up? Ever watch BET and the videos where a mansion is featured, a bunch of hoochie mamas, and a whole lot of mean nasty looking guys with chains around their necks and SUV's that were paid for by drug money. They don't make that stuff up: it goes on.

Big shock here, but society is breaking down, there are few jobs for young black males, and drugs and violence are a basic reality in their world. If Lavar rents an 18000 square foot mansion, it's safe to assume 45 people weren't invited, but more like 450 people showed up....many of them from the aforementioned neighborhoods and lifestyle I just mentioned.

Rich black athletes are rich because of their physical skills, and not because of their doctorate degrees. And in fact most of them come from poor black neighborhoods where drugs and violence were a daily scene, and most of their friends were part of it. The sad part is that just because a guy...like Ray Lewis or Sean Taylor or Lavar or anybody else
for that matter...just because the guy can play football and make a million dollars...their friends didn't and they remain in that lifestyle.

I can predict with uncanny accuracy what is going to happen at huge parties where drug dealers, hoochie mamas, and the criminal element show up. There are hundreds of similar parties like this every month in the US but you don't hear a lot about them because they don't always involve athletes.

Stupid people do stupid things, and this kind of nonsense will continue not only in the NFL but in the NBA and major league baseball and everywhere else. People who don't know boundaries....like the basketball players who were suspended last year....or Sean Taylor....will still be defended by fans who don't have a grasp on reality but instead continue to live in this FANTASY world of sports. You are safe in your living room so its easy to say "hey, let my hero out of jail or let him do what he wants. He's only in my TV", but the truth is that he is in the real world....not just your TD.

People who have no boundaries, like Michael Jackson, or Sean Taylor, will always continue to do the things they do until someone puts the breaks on for them. Lack of evidence is NOT an excuse to continue inappropriate behavior and should never be a reason to excuse it. The facts are the facts, and as I stated before.......you are judged by WHAT YOU DO. And Lavar did something really STUPID. He held a HUGE party with no controls and no boundaries. 18000 square feet is too big for ANY party...much less a party where money is spent like there is no limit.

My advice for Lavar is this: if he is so short on cash that he is suing the Redskins for more money, he should stop throwing parties and renting out 18000 squarefoot mansions. Stay home with your wife and throw dinner parties for 8 people....people you know. You will find you will witness far less shootings.

Dude you got it completely twisted, you have no idea what went down that night and who was there. "black" has nothing to do with problems or anything, Just because a shooting went down doesn't mean that there were thugs at the party, anyone can shoot a gun. Just because Arrington is blck doesn't mean anything either, did you know what type of music Lavar Arrington listens to, he loves hard rock, so your BET reference is way out of proportion, seriously you have NO idea what your talking about, and I bet you have never experienced that lifestyle there fore dont know what your talking about. Your WHOLE argument is based on the fact that Arrington is black and rich, and therefore he must have been doing wrong things

[SkinsJock]

As far as this "situation" is concerned, there is nothing reported yet that indicates anything that is embarrassing (to the team) or shows any lack of judgement by anybody (connected to the team). There is incidental information but nothing worth getting into except it involves high profile people.

Lavar is certainly allowed to live large and enjoy life as long as it is within his financial capability and does not compromise the team or his ability to be the best he can be for the team.

[SKINS#1]

How many people invite or allow friends with guns to their party? None that I know. Would this be embarrassing or show a lack of judgement? Absolutely, why would anyone take a gun to a party? If it is this dangerous you should stay home. This is stupid behavior regardless of who it is.

[DESkins]

Around these here parts, we have a simple thing called the presumption of innocence, in other words, until you are proven guilty, you are presumed innocent of any wrong-doing. So far, Lavar has not only not been convicted of anything, he hasn't even been CHARGED with anything. All the article said was that he was hosting a party, and that some unkown person at that party shot one of the security guards. Didn't say that Lavar did the shooting, didn't say that he was involved in any way. As far as showing a lack of judgement because some idiot decided to not only bring, but then use, a gun, how exactly is that Lavar's fault? I have a co-worker whose brother owned a restaurant/night club. There was a private party last year at the club. Someone there brought a gun and shot one of the men that the owner had hired to work security, because he had a beef with the guard. Does that somehow make it the owner's fault? Same logic applies here, folks. I'll be the first one to rail for the pound of flesh if a player is involved in any kind of illegal activity and is PROVEN to have committed a crime. But until then, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[welch]

Around these here parts, we have a simple thing called the presumption of innocence, in other words, until you are proven guilty, you are presumed innocent of any wrong-doing.

Golly, DE, do you live in the old-timed US, or something?

[Warmother]

I was just wondering if Chris Wilcox was at the party. Seeing that he was arrested with a spent shell casing in a hand gun.

[EasyMoney]

First...go back and read what I wrote about fans defending perfect strangers that they never met.

I'm also critical of perfect strangers that I've never met. Ex: Michael Jackson

Second, read the part of the stroy where Lavar rented an 1800 square foot mansion to throw a party. Do you think a lot of white church members were there or more likely a bunch of hoochie mamas and chain wearing, gun toting, drug dealers might have shown up? Ever watch BET and the videos where a mansion is featured, a bunch of hoochie mamas, and a whole lot of mean nasty looking guys with chains around their necks and SUV's that were paid for by drug money. They don't make that stuff up: it goes on.

You know what? I know people who also do this, maybe not a mansion but they rent someplace to celebrate whatever. White church members? Are you kidding me? I could care less about whatever anyone else believes but is that criteria for people at a party. Is that criteria for friends? The rest of this is absolutely hilarious. You're stereotyping the lives of all black athetes and entertainers. Portis was partying at the Playboy mansion for most of the offseason... I'm sure you don't approve of that either.

Big shock here, but society is breaking down, there are few jobs for young black males, and drugs and violence are a basic reality in their world. If Lavar rents an 18000 square foot mansion, it's safe to assume 45 people weren't invited, but more like 450 people showed up....many of them from the aforementioned neighborhoods and lifestyle I just mentioned.

How exactly is society breaking down? Is it because people live differently than you? More stereotyping here. If I had money like LaVar I wouldn't even care if people I didn't know showed up to my party. I can count dozens of times that this has happened. Of course you don't want anyone fighting etc., but those things happen. You have control over who stays and who goes but you're not going to expect anyone to start shooting. Basically what you're saying here is that people from a certain area aren't allowed to party with you? You don't have any fun tailgating in Gotham City do you Bruce?

Rich black athletes are rich because of their physical skills, and not because of their doctorate degrees. And in fact most of them come from poor black neighborhoods where drugs and violence were a daily scene, and most of their friends were part of it. The sad part is that just because a guy...like Ray Lewis or Sean Taylor or Lavar or anybody else
for that matter...just because the guy can play football and make a million dollars...their friends didn't and they remain in that lifestyle..

Wow is this prejudiced. They're rich because of their physical skills? How long did it take you to figure that one out? A lot of these guys do grow up in a harsh environment, I agree. But these are their roots. This is where they grew up. This is what they know. Like I said before, people are different. How about Robert Smith's doctorate degree? He's an athlete too. He's not making money playing football anymore...

I can predict with uncanny accuracy what is going to happen at huge parties where drug dealers, hoochie mamas, and the criminal element show up. There are hundreds of similar parties like this every month in the US but you don't hear a lot about them because they don't always involve athletes.

Well yea. Alcohol + Teenagers (or immature people) = Fights

There might be hundreds of similar parties like this every month, but there are thousands of parties every month where things like this do not happen. These parties even include drug dealers, hoochie mamas and the criminal element. You don't always hear about it because people don't always get shot.

Stupid people do stupid things, and this kind of nonsense will continue not only in the NFL but in the NBA and major league baseball and everywhere else. People who don't know boundaries....like the basketball players who were suspended last year....or Sean Taylor....will still be defended by fans who don't have a grasp on reality but instead continue to live in this FANTASY world of sports. You are safe in your living room so its easy to say "hey, let my hero out of jail or let him do what he wants. He's only in my TV", but the truth is that he is in the real world....not just your TD.

PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT! How many great athletes wasted their lives doing stupid stuff? Len Bias comes to mind...

People who have no boundaries, like Michael Jackson, or Sean Taylor, will always continue to do the things they do until someone puts the breaks on for them. Lack of evidence is NOT an excuse to continue inappropriate behavior and should never be a reason to excuse it. The facts are the facts, and as I stated before.......you are judged by WHAT YOU DO. And Lavar did something really STUPID. He held a HUGE party with no controls and no boundaries. 18000 square feet is too big for ANY party...much less a party where money is spent like there is no limit.

I don't know how many times I can say that people are different. If LaVar or whoever else wants to spend their money like that. Let them. Who cares? They're not taking money of out your bank account to fund these parties. Not everyone can be a heaven sent angel and a lot of people don't want to be.

My advice for Lavar is this: if he is so short on cash that he is suing the Redskins for more money, he should stop throwing parties and renting out 18000 squarefoot mansions. Stay home with your wife and throw dinner parties for 8 people....people you know. You will find you will witness far less shootings.

This is the only part of your post I agree with, but again.... people are different. If I was a millionaire I'd do it just as big if not bigger for my birthday every once in a while.

[BATMAN]

So it was Led Zeppelin that was playing so loud that the police were called to the scene, even before the shooting?

Wake up. That kind of party doesn't attract people who dance to rock music. That was a RAP concert in effect, the music was too loud in that affluent area, and the police were called by neighbors. In other words, Lavar was apparently blind to the loud, wild, and obnoxious music that was blaring out into the white neighborhood.

As I said before, "bad judgement" and "no boundaries". As to the race comment: maybe it's different where you are, but in my world white people invite white people to parties, and black people invite black people to parties. The exceptions are of course office parties, and celebrity parties. So far I haven't heard of any white celebrities at this party. I have only heard 2 names being mentioned....Lavar and Julian Peterson...both black athletes. Most of the NFL players are black, and it is more than likely that nearly 90 to 99 percent of the the guests at that party were black. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I don't think I am, and most people know it.

80 percent of jails are filled with blacks, although hispanics are also beginning to claim their share of the prison system. This isn't something anybody wants to see, but it's a fact. Low income folks, whether they are white or black or whatever, tend to have more criminal activity because of where they grow up and their parents influence. Their parents are usually drinkers, smokers, and drug users in low income areas because thats just what statistics say. Vices are most often found among low income people who have little self control and don't understand boundaries.

I'm sorry if that offends liberals or whoever, but these are just facts, as well as the fact that you can find Robert Smith or another example of a doctorate out their when it fits your needs....but the reality is that most blacks can't even prounounce the word "ASK" when they graduate from college, and instead call the word AXE. Thats just a fact, and you can still pull out one example of a black who does not use the word axe...but what we are discussing is MOST, NOT ALL.

So, when a black athlete holds a party, MOST often there are many more blacks there than whites. MOST often those blacks will play RAP music and not Led Zeppelin. And MOST often there will be hoochie mamas and somebody with a gun and somebody with drugs. In fact, statistics would bear out that it would be an aberration if there weren't guns and drugs at a black held party in an 18000 square foot mansion being held by a rich black athlete.

No prejudice here. Just facts and stats. Lavar can live in my neighborhood and we can hold a barbeque on Sundays if he wants, but come party time, he needs to use some common sense and not ignore patterns and statistics.

[skins81]

So, when a black athlete holds a party, MOST often there are many more blacks there than whites. MOST often those blacks will play RAP music and not Led Zeppelin. And MOST often there will be hoochie mamas and somebody with a gun and somebody with drugs. In fact, statistics would bear out that it would be an aberration if there weren't guns and drugs at a black held party in an 18000 square foot mansion being held by a rich black athlete.

No prejudice here. Just facts and stats. Lavar can live in my neighborhood and we can hold a barbeque on Sundays if he wants, but come party time, he needs to use some common sense and not ignore patterns and statistics.

I must have missed that groundbreaking study where they looked at the party habits of black athletes. You know the one, where they determined that MOST partys held by MOST black athletes would have the MOST hoochie mamas and guns per square foot.

You know. No predjudice, just facts and stats.

You're a piece of work, dude.

[1niksder]

BATMAN you can continue to ramble on with your FACTS, and here are a few you seem to be over looking.

A scuffle broke out and Sidney was shot about 55 minutes later, with police still there making sure people were leaving the party.

The Police appear to have been there at the time of the shooting. Police don't believe Arrington was a target or that he was "anywhere near the shooting." This would make Lavar a bystander in all of this.

"Over the weekend, there was an unfortunate incident where a security guard was injured following a party I hosted in Gambrills, Md., to conclude a series of charity events," Arrington said in a statement released by the Redskins. "I had no involvement in the incident, and to my knowledge neither did any of the guests at the party. I feel terrible about the injury to the guard, who was only doing his job and pray he recovers quickly and fully."

That mean none of those gun totin'- SUV's on 22's drivin - don't know how to pronouns ask, CHARITY EVENT attending thugs were involved.

[WshSkins22]

Ddue what the hell BAtman, I know for a fact Arrington lisytens to hard rock music, and know many black people who do not like rap, wow you really have some issues man seriously, you are stereotyping all black people to act one way, man ive been to white parties with black people there, and ive been to black parties with white people there, has nothing to do with it

[redskincity]

So it was Led Zeppelin that was playing so loud that the police were called to the scene, even before the shooting?

Wake up. That kind of party doesn't attract people who dance to rock music. That was a RAP concert in effect, the music was too loud in that affluent area, and the police were called by neighbors. In other words, Lavar was apparently blind to the loud, wild, and obnoxious music that was blaring out into the white neighborhood.

As I said before, "bad judgement" and "no boundaries". As to the race comment: maybe it's different where you are, but in my world white people invite white people to parties, and black people invite black people to parties. The exceptions are of course office parties, and celebrity parties. So far I haven't heard of any white celebrities at this party. I have only heard 2 names being mentioned....Lavar and Julian Peterson...both black athletes. Most of the NFL players are black, and it is more than likely that nearly 90 to 99 percent of the the guests at that party were black. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I don't think I am, and most people know it.

80 percent of jails are filled with blacks, although hispanics are also beginning to claim their share of the prison system. This isn't something anybody wants to see, but it's a fact. Low income folks, whether they are white or black or whatever, tend to have more criminal activity because of where they grow up and their parents influence. Their parents are usually drinkers, smokers, and drug users in low income areas because thats just what statistics say. Vices are most often found among low income people who have little self control and don't understand boundaries.

I'm sorry if that offends liberals or whoever, but these are just facts, as well as the fact that you can find Robert Smith or another example of a doctorate out their when it fits your needs....but the reality is that most blacks can't even prounounce the word "ASK" when they graduate from college, and instead call the word AXE. Thats just a fact, and you can still pull out one example of a black who does not use the word axe...but what we are discussing is MOST, NOT ALL.

So, when a black athlete holds a party, MOST often there are many more blacks there than whites. MOST often those blacks will play RAP music and not Led Zeppelin. And MOST often there will be hoochie mamas and somebody with a gun and somebody with drugs. In fact, statistics would bear out that it would be an aberration if there weren't guns and drugs at a black held party in an 18000 square foot mansion being held by a rich black athlete.

No prejudice here. Just facts and stats. Lavar can live in my neighborhood and we can hold a barbeque on Sundays if he wants, but come party time, he needs to use some common sense and not ignore patterns and statistics.

What are you, some renegade priest? They were having a freakin party get over it and kill your racist views.

[oafusp]

I was just wondering if Chris Wilcox was at the party. Seeing that he was arrested with a spent shell casing in a hand gun.

yeah, good point.
I believe Wilcox was arrested in the same area, but it was on Monday (2 days later), it could have been sitting in the car thpugh...but it's a stretch.
. Here's the link.
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13831
Maybe he was involved or someone he was with was involved?

[1niksder]

Police in Anne Arundel County said they have interviewed LaVar Arrington, officially putting a close to any possible link to a shooting early Sunday morning at a party the linebacker hosted in Gambrills.

Detectives interviewed Arrington for almost an hour Tuesday in Severn, police said. The shooting left a security guard in serious but stable condition. "He [Arrington] came in at our request," Sgt. Shawn Urbas said yesterday. "He was very cooperative. And he provided us with what he knew about the party."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01816.html

[Irn-Bru]

Police in Anne Arundel County said they have interviewed LaVar Arrington, officially putting a close to any possible link to a shooting early Sunday morning at a party the linebacker hosted in Gambrills.

Detectives interviewed Arrington for almost an hour Tuesday in Severn, police said. The shooting left a security guard in serious but stable condition. "He [Arrington] came in at our request," Sgt. Shawn Urbas said yesterday. "He was very cooperative. And he provided us with what he knew about the party."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01816.html

Not a huge surprise, but certainly a big relief.

[skins81]

Apparently, this 18,000 square foot mansion is rented for parties all the time. They were talking on the radio about some lingere party hosted at this mansion, where the tickets were available by ticketmaster.

Anne Arundel county is investigating if the owners violated zoning laws, having commercial events in a residential community. They don't want another security guard flown to shock trauma. (He's still listed as critical, I think.)