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zz111 wrote:A non injured Winslow or ey? I am willing to bet that their are 32 teams out their that would choose KW2. Most opinions here are biased. If ey had the same stats and he was on another team everyone would be choosing KW2. I am a realist even though I love ey.

Yea, they'd pick a guy who puts their money in the toilet as opposed to a hard worker he could have caught more than 6 TD's if he had been in a good offense. Yea...

If we are talking about Winslow before the motorcycle accident then the answer is Winslow. I am pretty sure that if you asked 1000 random fans of different NFL teams this question the majority of them would take KW2. I respect everyone for choosing Cooley, but your opinions are extremely biased because you are redskin fans.

... or because Winslow is about to enter his second straight year of not playing and some of us realize that in order for a player to be effective, he has to actually take the field.

. . .we Redskins fans might also be biased because we like quiet, hard workers that aren't arrogant and do all the "little things" right like adhere to a contract, who don't seek personal glory but want to help the team, and who overachieve with reasonable talent rather than underachieve with amazing talent. . .at least, that's how my biases run.

The only reason that 1000 random fans would pick K2 is because he gets attention. He was drafted high. People know his name, and they know his father's name. They know what he did in college ball. They know about him because of the constant attention he gets from the media.

People don't know ey. Tell me, how many non-Redskins fans followed our team last year? Probably not too many.

If you asked me the same question before the beginning of last season, I probably would have said K2. But the question is being asked now. The opinions expressed (at least from myself) are not biased because I am a Skins fan - rather, the vote goes to the guy who has already proven himself. And I'm willing to bet he steps it up even more this year.

[quote="WshSkins22"]Guys this isnt a stupid poll, I meant if Winslow was healthy, or else why would I ask to compare a hurt Winslow? This is actually a good question becaue we didnt get Winslow and arguably got a better guy with a 3rd rounder[/quote]

According to this we are not talking about right now. Of course if we are talking about right now after the motorcycle accident I would choose Cooley. Also guys I am a huge Redskin Fan. As far as bringing in hard working guys that aren't arrogant and always in the light. Are you talking about Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, or Darrell Russell. I am just stating a simple fact that 99% of the GM's in the league would choose KW2 over Cooley before the motorcycle accident. Now if you all are smarter than those GM's then I am proud of you.

zz111 wrote:According to this we are not talking about right now. Of course if we are talking about right now after the motorcycle accident I would choose ey. Also guys I am a huge Redskin Fan. As far as bringing in hard working guys that aren't arrogant and always in the light. Are you talking about Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, or Darrell Russell. I am just stating a simple fact that 99% of the GM's in the league would choose KW2 over ey before the motorcycle accident. Now if you all are smarter than those GM's then I am proud of you.

What about the teams that don't have GMs?
Coming out of the draft Winslow would have been the pick over ey because of projections alone. If you look at just the numbers ey being picked over KW2 can be justified.

To base this on what we thought of them coming into the NFL is hard after watching 1 work constantly to improve himself and his team. While the other did almost nothing all year football related.
Either way I'd go with ey, because I wouldn't have passed on Taylor at #5. And there is a good chance the team would have imploded had we had both of those "Canes" on the team last season

ok lets not just compare talent, we are getting an over-achieving ey for WAY less than the under-achieving Winslow. We are also getting NO off-the-field problems, and a guy who works hard and doesn't complain. You can ask ANYONE that knows a decent amount of variables and if they had to choose one right now on their team, Im betting they would go with ey if they looked at his game tape and interviewed him

I am through trying to prove my point. I love Chris Cooley and he will have a pretty solid career. The bottom line is that some of the opinions here are skewed due to us being die hard skins fans. One more thing though. The team couldnt have been to much worse off with both of those canes on the team last year (Winslow and Taylor). Could they?

zz111 wrote: One more thing though. The team couldnt have been to much worse off with both of those canes on the team last year (Winslow and Taylor). Could they?

I'll take what we got out of Sean last season even with the headaches he cost,but Winslow did nothing last year. Now subtract ey's contributions.

Ugly Picture right?

zz111 wrote:The bottom line is that some of the opinions here are skewed due to us being die hard skins fans. One more thing though. The team couldnt have been to much worse off with both of those canes on the team last year (Winslow and Taylor). Could they?

Its not skewed its the truth.

I dont even need to write my own ideas because WshSkins22 did a great job.

WshSkins22 wrote:ok lets not just compare talent

WshSkins22 wrote:we are getting an over-achieving ey for WAY less than the under-achieving Winslow

WshSkins22 wrote:We are also getting NO off-the-field problems

WshSkins22 wrote:and a guy who works hard and doesn't complain.

Boss wrote:... or because Winslow is about to enter his second straight year of not playing and some of us realize that in order for a player to be effective, he has to actually take the field.

The ball is in your court, prove to us that Kellen is the better athelete. Prove to us that he'll be the same athelete after these two injuries. Prove to us that he has learned his lesson.

I really wouldn't hesitate if I was picking between the two, ey in a heartbeat I really cant think of one reason to pick Winslow, except for the success of other Miami players but coming out of Miami has it's disadvantages cough cough Taylor cough

i would pick kw11 but if he had cooleys mind off the field. since he can't cooperate ill have to go with chris

If K2 had eys mind, the guy would be in Canton in 20 years

You want me to prove that Kellen is the better athlete? Any body that knows anything about football will admit that KW2 is a much better athlete than Cooley. Once again I cannot prove that KW2 will be the same athlete after these two injuries, but as I stated before, this topic was supposed to be comparing Cooley and Winslow before the motorcycle accident. So really I dont need to prove that according to this topic. I already stated that as of right now, after the recent accident, I would choose Cooley. Before the recent accident then I would choose KW2.

KWII doesnt have the heart it takes to be a true redskin. ey does.

zz111 wrote:You want me to prove that Kellen is the better athlete? Any body that knows anything about football will admit that KW2 is a much better athlete than ey. Once again I cannot prove that KW2 will be the same athlete after these two injuries, but as I stated before, this topic was supposed to be comparing ey and Winslow before the motorcycle accident. So really I dont need to prove that according to this topic. I already stated that as of right now, after the recent accident, I would choose ey. Before the recent accident then I would choose KW2.

That being said I'd still pick ey. Id rather pick a person with the better character. ey is a standup guy, Kellen hasn't proven himself to be that. Plus he has the postons as agents.

Kellen is faster and quicker than ey but he's not worth all the headaches, neither is Sean Taylor.

I am going to pay for this, but I would want KW2. He is an excelent TE with more ability than COoley, though that is the worst I can say for ey.

KW2 could bring a new dimension to the offense and he is still an alright blocker.

If Winslow had eys attitude I would take him

KW2 is faster and more atheletic than ey.

But I am very pleased with ey. He is the man!

I do see everyones point here and I am extremely happy that we do have Cooley. KW2 is a headache and we already have one of those in Taylor. I predict Cooley to have about 600 yards with 7 or 8 tds. As of right now I am glad that we have a tight end with heart who is healthy and not one who is on crutches.

zz111 wrote:You want me to prove that Kellen is the better athlete? Any body that knows anything about football will admit that KW2 is a much better athlete than ey. Once again I cannot prove that KW2 will be the same athlete after these two injuries, but as I stated before, this topic was supposed to be comparing ey and Winslow before the motorcycle accident. So really I dont need to prove that according to this topic. I already stated that as of right now, after the recent accident, I would choose ey. Before the recent accident then I would choose KW2.

You keep bringing up this fact about "well, if it were before the motorcycle accident..."

Lets pretend the motorcycle accident didn't happen. K2 STILL did not prove himself last year because he saw minimal playing time. The point could even be argued that after his first injury, K2 still must prove himself in the NFL - something that ey has already done.

This is why I said if this question were asked as a projection from college ball, without any time in the NFL, K2 would probably be on everyone's list.

K2 lost his first year from an injury - which could make it challenging for him to excell in the league.

Now, K2 has lost his second year - possibly changing his entire career.

zz111 wrote:You want me to prove that Kellen is the better athlete? Any body that knows anything about football will admit that KW2 is a much better athlete than ey. Once again I cannot prove that KW2 will be the same athlete after these two injuries, but as I stated before, this topic was supposed to be comparing ey and Winslow before the motorcycle accident. So really I dont need to prove that according to this topic. I already stated that as of right now, after the recent accident, I would choose ey. Before the recent accident then I would choose KW2.

You haven't proved jack to me or to most others I wouldn't imagine... you just keep saying the same thing over and over again... 'look how talented KW is... look how good he was in college.'

Ever heard of Danny Wuerffel? How about andre Ware? Does the name KiJana Carter mean anything? Lawrence Philips? Rashaan Salaam? Blair Thomas? or how about we actually use a tight end... like Rickey Dudley... these are all guys that had great college careers, were very highly touted, and did NOTHING in the NFL.

Your entire 'argument' is based on an image you have in your head... and you keep molding the thought to suit your needs... All you've really proven is that you personally think that a guy's college career is 100% indicative of his NFL potential. And some of us just disagree with that.

I agree with Boss...they did nothing in the NFL.
BTW, you have a typo in your post its "Danny Awful"

I thought it was "Danny Woeful". Brian Bosworth had a brilliant NFL career, didn't he?

careful dudley will be reincarnated on the skins if we arent careful