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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:17 pm
by EasyMoney
air_hog wrote:I think Marcus is a GREAT linebacker. I'm just saying that I believe spots around 95 and above belong to the ELITE linebackers (Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, LaVar (when healthy)) Not to say that Marcus isn't as good as LaVar, it's just something I can't describe.


I guarantee that Washington will be a 93 at the very least next year. Coming off a PB year on the 3rd ranked D, it'll happen. Correct me if I'm wrong but I did rate him a 94 in my above post. That is below a 95 isn't it? :wink:

air_hog wrote:And last year I played ESPN, not Madden, and they had Marcus at about like 78 or something where I think he should have been about 80-83. And in ESPN, the only rookies who I think were in the 80's were Taylor, Winslow, and Fitzgerald.


ESPN is a completely different game. In Madden, Taylor was an 85 and I believe he was the highest rated rookie in the game. Most first rounders are rated in the 80's. It starts to fall off halfway through the first round picks. As far as Rogers, look at what DeAngelo Hall from Tech was rated as a rookie. He was drafted 8th overall... 82. I said 83 so mine was a bit high. Fair enough. I hadn't actually checked that previously. If you want to dig even deeper, check out Dallas' corner Terence Newman who won the Thorpe before he was drafted in 03. I remember him being in the 80's as well... I think.

air_hog wrote:But I would love it if Marcus and Sean/Shawn got the respect they deserve, I just don't know if they can get it after a 6-10 season.


I'm sure they both will. A big year is a big year and I think those ratings (give or take a few points here and there) are pretty close to what they'll be.

The offense is what will get the brunt of the 6-10 season.

On a side note I looked into the rating for the 25th pick from 04. Green Bay took Ahmad Carroll and he's rated a 76. I can certainly deal with Campbell being somewhere close to that. :)

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:47 pm
by redskins12287
Say what you want, but I must say that I think it is sad that you all are discusing the player ratings of a game yet to be released.

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:50 pm
by air_hog
EasyMoney wrote:The offense is what will get the brunt of the 6-10 season.


I don't know about that. If the info CLL posted was true, they gave our Offense a grade of 82, and our D got a 74?

Yeah, that's accurate :roll:

At any rate, all I'm trying to say is that I hope EA Sports doesn't go crazy with their ratings, sure I hope we have some 90's, but with a 6-10 season, I want it to be reasonable.

But they better make our D better than our O... a lot better!

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:09 pm
by EasyMoney
redskins12287 wrote:Say what you want, but I must say that I think it is sad that you all are discusing the player ratings of a game yet to be released.


Other than signing Hall this week, what else is there to talk about that's Redskins related? What topics are out there that we haven't already discussed a million times? Not that I don't think anyone should be able to talk about whatever they want that's Redskins related in Hog Wash. But this happens to be a topic I'd like to talk about. My apologies for continuing a thread that you don't approve of. :roll:

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:29 pm
by EasyMoney
air_hog wrote:
EasyMoney wrote:The offense is what will get the brunt of the 6-10 season.


I don't know about that. If the info CLL posted was true, they gave our Offense a grade of 82, and our D got a 74?

Yeah, that's accurate :roll:

At any rate, all I'm trying to say is that I hope EA Sports doesn't go crazy with their ratings, sure I hope we have some 90's, but with a 6-10 season, I want it to be reasonable.

But they better make our D better than our O... a lot better!


I don't think CLL would post a url with content he didn't think was legitimate. This happens at E3 every year. I would take those ratings with a grain of salt until the finished product is released. I can't promise it'll change. With the 3rd ranked D and the 30th ranked O, I would hope that the folks at EA don't believe that Pierce and Smoot were the only reason we were good on D last year. We didn't lose anyone else... Frankly, if they release the finished product and the O is better than the D I don't know if I would buy it. The rest of the teams in the game would also be botched and wrong.

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:39 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
EasyMoney wrote:
air_hog wrote:
EasyMoney wrote:The offense is what will get the brunt of the 6-10 season.


I don't know about that. If the info CLL posted was true, they gave our Offense a grade of 82, and our D got a 74?

Yeah, that's accurate :roll:

At any rate, all I'm trying to say is that I hope EA Sports doesn't go crazy with their ratings, sure I hope we have some 90's, but with a 6-10 season, I want it to be reasonable.

But they better make our D better than our O... a lot better!


I don't think CLL would post a url with content he didn't think was legitimate. This happens at E3 every year. I would take those ratings with a grain of salt until the finished product is released. I can't promise it'll change. With the 3rd ranked D and the 30th ranked O, I would hope that the folks at EA don't believe that Pierce and Smoot were the only reason we were good on D last year. We didn't lose anyone else... Frankly, if they release the finished product and the O is better than the D I don't know if I would buy it. The rest of the teams in the game would also be botched and wrong.


I don't think the roll eyes was directed at me. Thanks for the backup tho :roll: , it caught my eye until I read it again.

Like I said earlier to anyone who didn't see it, I watched a video that was taped at this years E3 of the team select screen. They scrolled through every team to show their ratings. The rating I posted was shown for the Skins. However I heard conflicting reports as to whether or not they were final. I just posted it to share it with you guys.

Regardless of it being final or not, I think its weird to have us rated that low at in point of the development process. :wink:


Here's a link to an interview with EA Sports. Its a great read.

http://www.maddenwishlist.com/interview2006.html

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:42 pm
by Skinsfan55
air_hog wrote:You guys can change the rating all you want, if you want to cheat. I'm guessing you guys changed our ratings, but left everyone elses the same... cool :roll:

Just play with whatever the game gives you, and MAKE them better throughout the season, not by changing some attributs.


Pardon me for sounding a little like Frank Luntz, but rather than calling it cheating I think of it as undoing an act of cheating.

And FYI I made several improvements to other players on other teams (Antonio Gates, Drew Brees, etc. etc.) as well as reducing the attributes of others (Brunell, Bledsoe, etc. etc.)

Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:48 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
(16) Linebacker blitzes -- the ordinary ones, not the "nano" variety -- were

too slow to get to the QB in 2005. LB's often got suck in the mayhem of the

line, unable to "turn their bodies" to squeak through the cracks. As a

result these plays were not good to run, since we always got burned on them.

Two questions:




(a) Will LB's get to the QB faster this year? Did you do anything specific

to ensure this would happen? Were LB's given better pursuit logic or better

moves to make it around or through OL's?




EA - This actually requires some avoidance animations that were actually cut due to time constraints. It’s definitely on our list of animations to add.


This kind of dissapointing. Especially with the improved blocking logic of the o-line, it'll be even harder to blitz a LB without him getting sucked and stuck in the line.