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ironically enough i thought i would try to get this thread back on topic by quoting and responding to something said in another thread. forgive me if this is a violation of the rules... just trying to steer the thread back to topic.

oafusp wrote:Not to get off topic but he is not reported as smart. He is reported as rather dumb according to his Wonderlic score (14 out of 40 I believe).

that score definitely troubles me. however, i was struck by something in an article from today's washington post about campbell:

[Al Borges] never gave a thought to altering Campbell's throwing style -- "You don't mess with a kid who throws the ball that well," Borges said -- and tailored as much of his terminology as possible to fit what Campbell already knew. He determined that Campbell got bogged down in a classroom setting, so he did as much teaching as possible on the field, where Campbell could "body learn" through actions.

i don't know if any of you have ever heard of Howard Gardner and his highly regarded Theory of Multiple Intelligences. the man teaches at harvard so you have to imagine he is pretty smart! in any case, the gist of it is that "intelligence" is really manifested in many more ways than we typically think of it. his seven categories are:

1. Linguistic intelligence
2. Logical-mathematical intelligence
3. Musical intelligence
4. Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence
5. Spatial intelligence
6. Interpersonal intelligence
7. Intrapersonal intelligence

(you can find basic descriptions here or a modified version of the theory here)

part of the idea is that typical "intelligence" or "IQ" tests really only deal with the Linguistic and Logical-mathematical aspects of intelligence, ignoring the others.

this is pertinent to jason campbell- look at the description for this one:

Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence entails the potential of using one's whole body or parts of the body to solve problems. It is the ability to use mental abilities to coordinate bodily movements. Howard Gardner sees mental and physical activity as related.

so perhaps his score on the wonderlic isn't a problem- as long as his coaches can learn from what Borges did and taylor their coaching to his strongest intelligence, work with him on the field as much as possible.

Well, I went through and read all the posts in this thread and it seems my opinion may be in the minority. In my opinion, I think Campbell is not going to pan out. I follow SCC ball and have watched Campbell often. I just don't think he's got the "leadership" ability to make him a pro QB. I didn't think he was going to be drafted, much less go in the first round. So you can imagine when I heard that he was picked up by the skins, I was in shock. I hope I am wrong. But my gut tells me I'm not. I played HS football in the same county as Campbell and our HS's were rivals. So being a homeboy, I was really pulling for him to become a great QB. I just don't think it turned out that way. Again, I hope I'm proofed wrong.

Cambell may not have shown indications of stardom in college, but I think we are all crossing our fingers in hopes that - with mentorship from a lot of experience around him - he will emerge in two - three years' time as a solid QB.

I follow SCC ball and have watched Campbell often.I just don't think he's got the "leadership" ability to make him a pro QB. I didn't think he was going to be drafted, much less go in the first round.

If you were following the 'SCC', then you were following the wrong conference. Jason Campbell is in the SouthEasternConference, SEC.

Most analysts picked Jason Campbell as a late first round or early second round pick. Some had him as their top quarterback.

rigg044 wrote:Well, I went through and read all the posts in this thread and it seems my opinion may be in the minority. In my opinion, I think Campbell is not going to pan out. I follow SCC ball and have watched Campbell often. I just don't think he's got the "leadership" ability to make him a pro QB. I didn't think he was going to be drafted, much less go in the first round. So you can imagine when I heard that he was picked up by the skins, I was in shock. I hope I am wrong. But my gut tells me I'm not. I played HS football in the same county as Campbell and our HS's were rivals. So being a homeboy, I was really pulling for him to become a great QB. I just don't think it turned out that way. Again, I hope I'm proofed wrong.

AU lost ZERO games last year, I have to think the QB had a lot to do with that

I stand corrected. You're right, I meant to say SEC. I guess some of us do make typos sometimes. Some of us ain't perfect, I guess.

Anyway, I think Campbell may improve with time. There are areas where a player can improve with coaching, but I don't think leadership is one of them. You either have it, or you don't.

rigg044


I had thought that maybe you were speaking of a different Jason Campbell, because I wonder what exactly makes you think he does not have leadership skills?

There is a difference between being able to lead a college team to a perfect season vs NFL, but I cannot wait until Campbell proves you and other naysayers wrong.

But my gut tells me I'm not. I played HS football in the same county as Campbell and our HS's were rivals. So being a homeboy, I was really pulling for him to become a great QB. I just don't think it turned out that way. Again, I hope I'm proofed wrong.

Ok, Im comming in on the tail end of this convo but is this all you have on him? Is this the only reasoning you have to doubt his leadership skills?

If it is I must say that this is by far the dumbest crap I've heard this week and we have people like Batman on this board. Its not even worth getting into.

Hey, he may very well prove me wrong. If he does, thats all the better for all, ain't it? And leadership in my opinion is very importent when it comes to the postion of QB. Hey, time will tell the story. Lets just wait and see how Mr. Campbell turns out. I'll say one thing for him though, at least he stays in the pocket and doesn't try to be a running back. As do so many other QB's coming out of collage.

I've watched Auburn closely as an alum and fan, and everything I've observed and read points to Campbell as a superb leader in many areas---
quarterback- making good audibles and big plays.
team player- taking younger players under his wing and encouraging others to work hard and come together.
moral- Setting a strong example by not engaging in negative behavior and encouraging other players to do the same.

I think these kinds of traits are precisely what you look for in a leader. I like Campbell as a person and I hope that he reaches his potential and develops into an excellent Redskin.

Coachkyle wrote:I've watched Auburn closely as an alum and fan, and everything I've observed and read points to Campbell as a superb leader in many areas---
quarterback- making good audibles and big plays.
team player- taking younger players under his wing and encouraging others to work hard and come together.
moral- Setting a strong example by not engaging in negative behavior and encouraging other players to do the same.

I think these kinds of traits are precisely what you look for in a leader. I like Campbell as a person and I hope that he reaches his potential and develops into an excellent Redskin.

I really hope he gets to play this upcoming year.

Know what got Auburn that undefeated season? Two outstanding running backs, a good offensive line, and a damn good defense. Ya, Campbell did contribute to it as well. By playing conservative, mistake free ball, for the most part. Was he a "stand out" in the effort? No he wasn't.

rigg044 wrote:Know what got Auburn that undefeated season? Two outstanding running backs, a good offensive line, and a damn good defense. Ya, Campbell did contribute to it as well. By playing conservative, mistake free ball, for the most part. Was he a "stand out" in the effort? No he wasn't.

Wasn't a standout

His 31 victories (31-8 record) as a starter are the most by any passer in school history and eighth in the SEC … For his career, Campbell gained 7,299 yards on 552 of 854 passes (64.6 percent), with 45 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. Only Stan White (8,016, 1990-93) threw for more yards in a career for the Tigers and White is the only other Auburn player with more pass completions (659) and pass attempts (1,231) than his total. His pass completion percentage of 64.6 established a school record, surpassing the previous high of 61.5 percent by Jeff Burger (1984-87). Only Pat Sullivan (53, 1969-71) tops his 45 touchdown passes in school history.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/ ... n#analysis

Rigg- Are you sure you were watching the 2004 season and maybe not one of the previous ones? Against the defending National Champion LSU Tigers, Campbell won the game for them. Against Tennessee (both times), it was Campbell's long passes and good reads that beat a very good Vol team. Yes, there was talent around him, but give credit where credit is due.

Well, I guess we could debate this till the cows came home. I guess the bottom line is, he got picked up by my team, and everyone elses I'd assume that frequent this board. So I guess we'll all have to wait and see how he pans out. I'd like to think that coach Gibbs made the right call. I have a lot of respect for him as a coach. I just want the skins to do well and most of all..KICK THE PLOWBOYS A$$$$!!!!

AMEN...