We're on the clock! *official draft day thread*

skinz74 · Post by **skinz74** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:37 pm

This should probably be in smack, but what the hey...it's draft oriented, too. NONE, I repeat, NONE of us see or have seen what the coaching staff has seen in these players, nor do any of us have an OUNCE of knowledge about what lies ahead or the big picture. Gibbs thought highly enough of this player to make a trip to Auburn (also probably checked out Rogers while they were there.) I just don't recall all this doubt/angst during last years draft. Before some of you go burning your jerseys and becoming cowpuke fans...why don't you give it a minute or two to develop. Last time I checked, Brunell wasn't exactly a spring chicken...and as much as I don't like it either...Tim probably will ride the pine with us until another team realizes his worth. We don't have a first next year, either...which gives this kid a chance to gel and learn from both Ramsey and Brunell. There has been so much bickering this offseason which has caused me to stay out of alot of discussions. Let's get back to backing our team...not questioning every move they make...

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:38 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:I think that this will officially make Brunell the higest paid third string qb in the history of the NFL.

nah, he's 2nd string. Next season when Jason moves to 2nd string, Brunell will be retired :wink:

AZHog · Post by **AZHog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:38 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:I think that this will officially make Brunell the higest paid third string qb in the history of the NFL.

I definately sense a restructuring somewhere in his immediate future. :idea:

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:40 pm

Freek'in Defensive end........

What the hell is Gibbs and Cerrato doing.

There are two good DE prospects, LB's and WR's available.....I'd even consider Heath or another CB at that spot.

I am lost.

Anyone know how tempted they were at #9 to get Mike Williams?

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:40 pm

portis26 wrote:
Scottskins wrote:If we win 11 games this season, win our first playoff game and then lose, what will you all be saying about Gibbs and the team? I think we will win 11 games this season. If we do, will you still be crying about what a laughing stock we are and how we suck?

With what offense?

Look at our team. Analyze them position by position. As you go further into it, you'll start seeing it. It's right in front of you. Also take into consideration who is coaching them and realize that he's the best offensive mind in the game right now if not all time. Forget last years ineffectiveness. Concentrate on what you see now.

THAT offense is the one that will take us there

GibbSkins · Post by **GibbSkins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:42 pm

skinz74 wrote:This should probably be in smack, but what the hey...it's draft oriented, too. NONE, I repeat, NONE of us see or have seen what the coaching staff has seen in these players, nor do any of us have an OUNCE of knowledge about what lies ahead or the big picture. Gibbs thought highly enough of this player to make a trip to Auburn (also probably checked out Rogers while they were there.) I just don't recall all this doubt/angst during last years draft. Before some of you go burning your jerseys and becoming cowpuke fans...why don't you give it a minute or two to develop. Last time I checked, Brunell wasn't exactly a spring chicken...and as much as I don't like it either...Tim probably will ride the pine with us until another team realizes his worth. We don't have a first next year, either...which gives this kid a chance to gel and learn from both Ramsey and Brunell. There has been so much bickering this offseason which has caused me to stay out of alot of discussions. Let's get back to backing our team...not questioning every move they make...

well said

although i think it is ok to question diferent dissions.. i just dont understand all this " the sky is falling" mentality

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:43 pm

nah, he's 2nd string. Next season when Jason moves to 2nd string, Brunell will be retired

Well in that case Campbell will be the highest paid third string in the NFL. I don't care how you try to rationalizes this it makes no sense. Ramsey hasn't been given a fair chance on this team and now there will be even more pressure on him to succeed. We are alrady stuck with an overpaid bum in Brunell, just signed Tim, and now have to sign Campbell. How much money does this team want to put into the qb position?? There is no reason to have 4 qb's on the roster.

As for the guy that predicted 11 wins for this season...why don't we worry about actually getting to .500 before we think about 11 wins and a playoff appearance. Not sure where you think that the offense will come from considering we didn't really imporve any of the skill positions and still have question marks on the o-line with Dockery.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:44 pm

njskinsfan wrote:Freek'in Defensive end........

What the hell is Gibbs and Cerrato doing.

There are two good DE prospects, LB's and WR's available.....I'd even consider Heath or another CB at that spot.

I am lost.

Anyone know how tempted they were at #9 to get Mike Williams?

They weren't tempted. They had Rogers #1 on their board. They may have missed an opportunity to trade down 2 or 3 spots and still get him, but I doubt it. Not much trade action going on.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:46 pm

Here's my 2 cents. Ramsey stays, Brunell stays for 1 more year, Campbell is 3rd QB, and Hasselback is cut. Campbell is the prototype QB for Gibbs; big, strong, and best of all can throw on the run. He is insurance if Ramsey doesn't get us in the playoffs. He would not have been my first choice but I defer to President Gibbs.

Gibbs is meeting with Gardner on Monday....does he stay? If so we are OK at WR.

We now are set on defense with a top notch CB.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:47 pm

Scottskins wrote:
We do not have that many needs.

How can you possibly say this? There is a reason that you were picking at #9. Your team has holes at G, TE, DT, DE, CB and possibly LB depending on Arrington's health. (evidently one can add QB to that list, at least per Gibbs).

Dallas had plenty of holes, they managed the cap well, filled some through free agency, and then used the draft to address others. (There's still a glaring need at FS and RT, but they still have a pick today).

Hooligan · Post by **Hooligan** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:47 pm

We definitely have bigger holes to fill than QB, like DE or LB. Our D-Line gave a pretty weak pass rush last year, so I'd have rather seen us get a DE. Our starting MLB is an undersized backup OLB plus our depth at all 3 spots is questionable.

I'm just having trouble seeing why we needed a project QB to back up our young, talented, starting QB bad enough to warrant trading away 3 draft picks.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:47 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
nah, he's 2nd string. Next season when Jason moves to 2nd string, Brunell will be retired

I don't care how you try to rationalizes this it makes no sense. Ramsey hasn't been given a fair chance on this team and now there will be even more pressure on him to succeed.

Ok.. scenario.... we don't draft Campbell, and we draft Roddy White.... Patrick goes in next year... plays the entire season... and does the same as he has over the past 4 seasons.... which is not enough.... but this time.... he's had an entire season.... what do we do?

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:49 pm

You trade for whatshisface from San Diego.

AZHog · Post by **AZHog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:50 pm

It feels like we've burnt through more QB's in the last twelve years than during Gibb's first whole tenure!!!

I understand the point system and that the trade to #25 was in our favor. However, we didn't actively pursue the trade with Denver until AFTER Gibb's and QBs Coach Musgrave's trip to Auburn. I'm sure that they see something in this guy. I'm sure that he's a phenomenal talent--but the question is: Do you trade up to help the future or to fix the now?

I've been a fan of the Skins for coming on 22 years -- I agree that it's Ramsey's team next year. But he'd better step up to the plate otherwise he might end up like Brunell a-la week 9!

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:50 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
nah, he's 2nd string. Next season when Jason moves to 2nd string, Brunell will be retired

Well in that case Campbell will be the highest paid third string in the NFL. I don't care how you try to rationalizes this it makes no sense. Ramsey hasn't been given a fair chance on this team and now there will be even more pressure on him to succeed. We are alrady stuck with an overpaid bum in Brunell, just signed Tim, and now have to sign Campbell. How much money does this team want to put into the qb position?? There is no reason to have 4 qb's on the roster.

As for the guy that predicted 11 wins for this season...why don't we worry about actually getting to .500 before we think about 11 wins and a playoff appearance. Not sure where you think that the offense will come from considering we didn't really imporve any of the skill positions and still have question marks on the o-line with Dockery.

Well, the Colts had almost 100 million invested just in Manning, so I guess we are ok with our investments lol.

I'm not worried about getting to 500. We were inches from 10-6 last year, so why worry about playing 500 ball?

The offense will come from the moves we've made, more time in the system, players getting healthy, more confidence for Ramsey and Gibbs finally getting to the meat of his playbook.

We will have a great offensive line, even with Dockery. That means more yards rushing for Portis and Betts. Huge improvement in QB play and WR play, meaning more rushing yards for Portis and Betts. More of the same for Cool

ey, and more in general for McCants. All of this will translate into about 27 points a game.

Seeing how we will only be giving up about 17 points a game, I'm pretty optimistic on our chances for 11 wins and a playoff birth :rock:

GibbSkins · Post by **GibbSkins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:50 pm

GoSkins wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Ramsey stays, Brunell stays for 1 more year, Campbell is 3rd QB, and Hasselback is cut. Campbell is the prototype QB for Gibbs; big, strong, and best of all can throw on the run. He is insurance if Ramsey doesn't get us in the playoffs. He would not have been my first choice but I defer to President Gibbs.

Gibbs is meeting with Gardner on Monday....does he stay? If so we are OK at WR.

We now are set on defense with a top notch CB.

ill add my 2 cents to urs to make 4..
well all carry insurance on the things we value. and so does gibbs
as far as gardner goes i think if he comes back he will at least be motivated to live up to his potential..since no team seams to be interested in is subpar performance to date.. this could actually be a good thing

mrredskin1963 · Post by **mrredskin1963** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:52 pm

3 superbowl rings,3 different good but not great qbs,
enough said!gibbs knows what he's doing.

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:00 pm

Scottskins wrote:
portis26 wrote:
Scottskins wrote:If we win 11 games this season, win our first playoff game and then lose, what will you all be saying about Gibbs and the team? I think we will win 11 games this season. If we do, will you still be crying about what a laughing stock we are and how we suck?

With what offense?

Look at our team. Analyze them position by position. As you go further into it, you'll start seeing it. It's right in front of you. Also take into consideration who is coaching them and realize that he's the best offensive mind in the game right now if not all time. Forget last years ineffectiveness. Concentrate on what you see now.

THAT offense is the one that will take us there

Who is our number one receiver? Who is our starting TE? Who is our blocking TE?

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:00 pm

Adios, Simon! Don't let the door hit ya where the invisible man in the sky split ya!

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:02 pm

curveball wrote:
Scottskins wrote:
We do not have that many needs.

How can you possibly say this? There is a reason that you were picking at #9. Your team has holes at G, TE, DT, DE, CB and possibly LB depending on Arrington's health. (evidently one can add QB to that list, at least per Gibbs).

Dallas had plenty of holes, they managed the cap well, filled some through free agency, and then used the draft to address others. (There's still a glaring need at FS and RT, but they still have a pick today).

huh?

What holes do we have at G? We have one of the best in Thomas, and a very good up and coming kid in Dockery. We also have pretty good young backups in Molinaro and Wilson.

TE? We have Robert Royal who is an above average blocker with room to improve. Why would we need another TE?

Our DT's and DE's did pretty well last year. We ranked 2nd against the run. I know we need some better pass rush, but you can't have everything. We get plenty of pass rush from our blitzing schemes to get by for now.

CB? I thought we drafted a CB with the 9th pick?

LB? This is one of our most solid positions. With Washington, Arrington, Marshall, Barrow and Clemons, I'd say we are set.

How good are you expecting us to be anyway? You can't have studs at every position. We are pretty solid all over. That's why Gibbs used that pick to take a future stud QB. He filled our most glaring need with pick 9, and picked up a QB for the future who he thinks will be special. I hope he's right.

In the meantime, we certainly have the players to win this division with and go to the Superbowl with in the next year or two...

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:07 pm

portis26 wrote:
Scottskins wrote:
portis26 wrote:
Scottskins wrote:If we win 11 games this season, win our first playoff game and then lose, what will you all be saying about Gibbs and the team? I think we will win 11 games this season. If we do, will you still be crying about what a laughing stock we are and how we suck?

With what offense?

Look at our team. Analyze them position by position. As you go further into it, you'll start seeing it. It's right in front of you. Also take into consideration who is coaching them and realize that he's the best offensive mind in the game right now if not all time. Forget last years ineffectiveness. Concentrate on what you see now.

THAT offense is the one that will take us there

Who is our number one receiver? Who is our starting TE? Who is our blocking TE?

#1 receiver? While I don't believe in designating them, I'll do so for you under the definitions I think most people use. DMac will be our #1 receiver. He'll be the over the middle guy who makes the tough catches. The guy you trust to make the catch and get a couple extra yards after the catch. That answer satisfy you?

Our starting TE is Robert Royal. I don't understand the difference between starting and blocking TE. They are the same guy. Robert Royal...

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:12 pm

Royal is avg. at best.

Gibbs has 2 and 3 TE sets, does he not?

DMac's 2004 stats: 5 rec, 71 yards, 0 tds -
great number 1 receiver

Take the burgundy and gold blinders off and see how we haven't improved our offensive personnel.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:14 pm

#1 receiver? While I don't believe in designating them, I'll do so for you under the definitions I think most people use. DMac will be our #1 receiver. He'll be the over the middle guy who makes the tough catches. The guy you trust to make the catch and get a couple extra yards after the catch. That answer satisfy you?

Wow. I was actually starting to agree with some of your posts but then you had to go and write that. DMAC will be our 5th receiver next year, and if Gardner stays DMAC will either be cut or be put on the practice squad. Last year he wasn't even activated so don't expect him to play a prominent role in the offesne this year. Moss and either Patten or Gardner will start. Next in line for catches will be Jacobs, followed by Thrash. After that, if he's even active, MAYBE DMac will get some balls thrown his way. But my guess is that if Gardner stays DMac gets cut.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:17 pm

As one G. Lucas said: "I have a bad feeling about this".

Why in the heck would ypu draft a rookie QB if not to pressuere SOMEONE on your activa QB roster?

Best case scenario is next year we dump Brunnell, Hasselbeck establishes himself in no. 2 and we groom this rookie bit by bit.

Worst case scenario: Ramsey and Tim H. leave, Brunnell stays and becomes our default no.1 QB, leads us nowhere and eventually are obligated to start Campebell because Brunnell stinks worse than last year.

Clinton Portis · Post by **Clinton Portis** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:19 pm

Wtf is wrong with you people!

These were good picks!!!!

What the...

We needed a Corner, and we needed a QB to replace Brunell and make sure Ramsey will do his job.

The way you people are doomsayers is crazy! These were pretty good picks..geez, you sure have a way of making anything look bad.

Do we have haters in our own ranks?

What, you don't trust JG?

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