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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Ya know... Russel was dinged for his size too... He worked out ok for SEA tho

Yea, for a year or two, until teams adjusted. Screw that. Give me a prototypical NFL quarterback.

Dude has been a beast. Arguably ten times better than RGIII. We can only wish to get a QB like Rusel once every 30 years.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Yea, for a year or two, until teams adjusted. Screw that. Give me a prototypical NFL quarterback.

lol. I'm with you, man. I want a big dude who can pass from the pocket and take a hit. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but let's try this one.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Yea, for a year or two, until teams adjusted. Screw that. Give me a prototypical NFL quarterback.

lol. I'm with you, man. I want a big dude who can pass from the pocket and take a hit. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but let's try this one.

Trent Williams isn't getting any younger but I'd still take my chances in the pocket behind him over rolling out every damn play. Now that the human turnstile at left guard is gone there should be less need for the QB to be out of the pocket.

If RGIII had been any kind of pocket passer he might still be quarterbacking the Redskins. It was the rolling out every play that got him injured.

Sonny9TD wrote:There is one other QB we might get away with if we decide to get one in the 3rd or 5th. Jason Stidham. You want a QB with tremendous arm strength and touch. Check out this review. He could be the sleeper of this years QB class. I will say this. If he can't read a defense or has happy feet or stares down his receivers he is not going to make it.

Did some reading on him this morning, thanks. Interesting prospect, and he seems to be rated highly on a few boards. He was the starting QB at Baylor when they got hammered by the NCAA, had to do a year at JUCO before transferring. So some of the perceptions of him are a little out of his control.

I'd probably rather take a chance on Daniel Jones, a little bit taller and bigger. But its a pretty baseless opinion.

Looks like they are going to get Haskins by all the reporting. Damn. He isn't going to work. He folds under pressure and he is going to be under pressure relentlessly. Might as well get Hockenson if this is their plan. They need a mobile QB like Alex Smith with a better arm. but they are going to muck up again and get Haskins.. IsHaskins OK? Yes but i don't see him taking us to the playoffs. He has a good arm but he is going to get sacked and lead the league in interceptions unless he has all the time in the world. That aint going to happen. Damnit to hell. If you're going to trade up get Murray. This is going to be typical Redskins picking the wrong one if this goes down

Stidham is just as good if not better and can be had rounds later. Here we go again

Im ok with Haskins.. Dont see it happening though.


With good coaching he has a great arm- over 50 tds??? I watched only a little of him play, but its better then Colt- and we can let him learn from Keenum. Wouldnt call it as bad as you seem to think

I wouldn't trade up for any of the QBs available in this draft and I wouldn't give a 1st for Rosen. I'd accept Haskins as value at 15. He's only had 1 college year so will have more to learn than some other QBs

ferryrich wrote:I wouldn't trade up for any of the QBs available in this draft and I wouldn't give a 1st for Rosen. I'd accept Haskins as value at 15. He's only had 1 college year so will have more to learn than some other QBs

Amazing. Might as well draft all freshmen

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Im ok with Haskins.. Dont see it happening though.


With good coaching he has a great arm- over 50 tds??? I watched only a little of him play, but its better then Colt- and we can let him learn from Keenum. Wouldnt call it as bad as you seem to think

Anyone has a stronger arm that Colt. Those TD passes were thrown to wide open receivers with all day to throw. Any QB could have put up those numbers. Even a QB from Navy who run all the time could have come close. You may like him. A dime a dozen i think.

Dak Prescott with a slightly stronger arm and half the speed. Daniel Jones would be much better. But that is just my opinion and i respect yours Killer.

Sonny9TD wrote:

ferryrich wrote:I wouldn't trade up for any of the QBs available in this draft and I wouldn't give a 1st for Rosen. I'd accept Haskins as value at 15. He's only had 1 college year so will have more to learn than some other QBs

Amazing. Might as well draft all freshmen

At least you gave more than a 1 word response, though you missed the point entirely. I do not think Haskins will be a great QB, but given his position and his ability, he'd be value at 15. I do think he'd be better than what we have, if not right away and believe that along with plenty of other things, we do need a better QB

ferryrich wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:

ferryrich wrote:I wouldn't trade up for any of the QBs available in this draft and I wouldn't give a 1st for Rosen. I'd accept Haskins as value at 15. He's only had 1 college year so will have more to learn than some other QBs

Amazing. Might as well draft all freshmen

At least you gave more than a 1 word response, though you missed the point entirely. I do not think Haskins will be a great QB, but given his position and his ability, he'd be value at 15. I do think he'd be better than what we have, if not right away and believe that along with plenty of other things, we do need a better QB

If you don't think he will be a great QB then drafting him at 15 is a waste. ??

Looks like they are going to get Haskins by all the reporting. Damn. He isn't going to work.

Man, Haskins reminds me a lot the Doug Williams from the late 70s/early 80s that played with the Bucs.
Lanky, long windup, needs to get into rhythm to really shine during the game.

It wouldn't be far-fetched to think Williams sees himself in Haskins. His input in this draft will be felt if we get him.

Having said that, I can't foresee him as a successful QB in Gruden's system where
quick reads and short quick throws seem to work best.

El Mexican wrote:

Looks like they are going to get Haskins by all the reporting. Damn. He isn't going to work.

Man, Haskins reminds me a lot the Doug Williams from the late 70s/early 80s that played with the Bucs.
Lanky, long windup, needs to get into rhythm to really shine during the game.

It wouldn't be far-fetched to think Williams sees himself in Haskins. His input in this draft will be felt if we get him.

Having said that, I can't foresee him as a successful QB in Gruden's system where
quick reads and short quick throws seem to work best.

I was thinking the same thing about Williams input. You are right on sir. Damn good assessment.

Sonny9TD wrote: If you don't think he will be a great QB then drafting him at 15 is a waste. ??

There are only a handful of great QBs in the league at any time, over maybe 15 years worth of drafts. Doesn't mean you need a great to win, just an above average. Greats will generally be consensus early picks regardless of needs. I expect Haskins to be gone in the top 10. If he's there at 15, he's value

ferryrich wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote: If you don't think he will be a great QB then drafting him at 15 is a waste. ??

There are only a handful of great QBs in the league at any time, over maybe 15 years worth of drafts. Doesn't mean you need a great to win, just an above average. Greats will generally be consensus early picks regardless of needs. I expect Haskins to be gone in the top 10. If he's there at 15, he's value

Anyone who excels in the league is value. Not where someone happens to be in the draft. If Heath Schuler would have fell to 15 he would have been value according to your logic. I'm not changing your mind and you're certainly not changing mine.

Hail!!!

Sherlock Holmes: 'discover check and, incidentally, mate',

Man, I'll take Haskins in a heartbeat if he's there at 15.

Third-team All-American and finished third in the Heisman Trophy voting, leading the nation with 4,831 passing yards and 50 touchdown passes (just eight interceptions) in 14 starts, and ranking in the top five in the FBS with a 70.0 percent completion rate (373-533).

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dwayne-ha ... c48a3a3bc6

Prospect Grade
6.20
Should Become Instant Starter

riggofan wrote:Man, I'll take Haskins in a heartbeat if he's there at 15.

Third-team All-American and finished third in the Heisman Trophy voting, leading the nation with 4,831 passing yards and 50 touchdown passes (just eight interceptions) in 14 starts, and ranking in the top five in the FBS with a 70.0 percent completion rate (373-533).

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dwayne-ha ... c48a3a3bc6

Prospect Grade
6.20
Should Become Instant Starter

Robert Griffin III won the Heisman. James Winston was thought just as good. Stats that don't mean a thing in the pros. We can do better than him.

From several sources:

Haskins seems like he will be a very good NFL quarterback, but some analysts think there is real bust potential, too. The offensive system the Buckeyes run is far from pro style, and accuracy questions persist. He’s slow. He’s not a statue — he has pocket awareness and the capability to slide — but sometimes his footwork isn’t great. He has sailed the ball some as well. Haskins is known for looking at one recv NOT checking to someone else,or "reading a defense" this is an area every scout says D Haskins has to get better at . Haskins struggles when he has to move laterally. He isn’t a mobile passer like many of the young quarterbacks who have thrived in recent years, and when he has to move to his right or left he tends to get all out of whack.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/oh ... ough-edges

Haskins doesn't go downfield often -- he left a few plus one-on-one match-ups on the field against the Boilermakers, which is tough to show off of broadcast film. But in person, it was clear.

When you throw downfield, you need to anticipate and lead your receiver. You're not putting balls on a line in between zone windows, but instead feeling how much space is available and putting air under the ball accordingly. There's a sense of timing there as well -- you have to know when the ball will arrive relative to the receiver. Haskins struggled with this multiple times against Purdue: his anticipation on touch throws seems shaky at best.

There is also a report out there from NBCS Washington which says owner Dan Snyder is taking over the first round of the draft.
The same report points out the last time Snyder did that was in 2012, when Washington moved up to No. 2 and took Robert Griffin III. If we trade up to get Haskins and give away more than one pick for a one year QB with strong arm and all his warning signs listed above we deserve the most inept owner in the world award.

I'll let him slide with Daniel Jones but we still shouldn't trade up to get him. Rosen maybe. Maybe. Only a child would trade up to get one of these QBs when we could get Hockenson a QB of the same talent in the 3rd round. Dan will you please not muck this up!

I was thinking the same thing about Williams input. You are right on sir. Damn good assessment.

Much appreciated, my friend.

If the rumors about Danny taking over the 1st round pick are true, then good heavens help us.
Let's hope he sees the light. Right now, we can only pray he does.

I don't want to sound to eager, but this is a HUGE draft for us. One of the most
important ones I can remember since the post-Spurrier days, when we had exactly zero respectable QBs.

Funny how things work around here! Lol :]

El Mexican wrote:

I was thinking the same thing about Williams input. You are right on sir. Damn good assessment.

Much appreciated, my friend.

If the rumors about Danny taking over the 1st round pick are true, then good heavens help us.
Let's hope he sees the light. Right now, we can only pray he does.

I don't want to sound to eager, but this is a HUGE draft for us. One of the most
important ones I can remember since the post-Spurrier days, when we had exactly zero respectable QBs.

Funny how things work around here! Lol :][/quote


Indeed.

Sonny9TD wrote:Robert Griffin III won the Heisman.

Trust me. I wasn't putting any stock in the Heisman thing. Danny Wuerffel won the Heisman. But comparing Haskins to RGIII is completely ridiculous. There's nothing comparable about those two quarterbacks.

Sonny9TD wrote:James Winston was thought just as good. Stats that don't mean a thing in the pros. We can do better than him.

Well personally I still think Winston can be a good QB. He's not done yet.

Either way, I'm not disagreeing with you on whether or not we can do better than Haskins. I just don't quite understand why the average fan would be dismissing him. He's done enough in college and been evaluated positively by reputable people that I would not be disappointed to see the team take a shot on him.

And if the team feels strongly about Rosen or Lock or Jones or Stidham, I'll be excited about any of those picks as well.

We should draft a QB every three years if we have to until we find our guy.

riggofan wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Robert Griffin III won the Heisman.

But comparing Haskins to RGIII is completely ridiculous. There's nothing comparable about those two quarterbacks.

Wasn't comparing the two. Just the Heisman issue

riggofan wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Robert Griffin III won the Heisman.

Trust me. I wasn't putting any stock in the Heisman thing. Danny Wuerffel won the Heisman. But comparing Haskins to RGIII is completely ridiculous. There's nothing comparable about those two quarterbacks.

Haskins can pass from the pocket. Accurately. But he needs pass protection. He's not a runner.

He's not a runner.[/quote]

No argument there.

Accurately. She say yes some say no. Most QBs can throw accurately with time. Nothing special there.

Sonny9TD wrote:No argument there.

Accurately. She say yes some say no. Most QBs can throw accurately with time. Nothing special there.

Most don't complete 70% of their pass attempts.