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Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:54 am**

where's the love for Colt??

Haha

We're keeping Cousins for at least one year...

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:16 am**

I dogged KC and I will be right. 2015 was a fluke and he will be Nick Foles before it is said and done. The Redskins feel the same way too. No one would drag a contract out like this for a true franchise QB.

The Facts are that KC couldn't beat winning teams and didn't pass the eyeball test against any type of real competition. Remember MNF?He couldn't beat Cassel at home.

The real player is Jordan Reed. Even a weak armed pick thrower can look good throwing it to this guy. Just imagine what a real QB with pro physical skills could do.

Hurry up and release RG3. I want to see what he can do on a coaching staff not trying to undermine him and in front of fans who don't always love a backup QB.

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:38 pm**

So this QB had the starting job this year against teams that dealt with major injuries and we lucked out and won the division. So because of this so many of you are saying we should sign him. Sorry I don't think he deserves 19 million for one year and I actually think he doesn't want to be here so why break the bank for someone that really isn't worth all the trouble? Sorry I don't think he is the answer and I think there are other options that will be just as good if not BETTER and not cost 19 million a year. I think we have sucked for so long any glimmer of hope people over react.

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:19 pm**

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I think there are other options that will be just as good if not BETTER and not cost 19 million a year.

Awesome. Who are these options?

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:14 pm**

PulpExposure wrote:
DaSkinz Baby wrote:I think there are other options that will be just as good if not BETTER and not cost 19 million a year.

Awesome. Who are these options?

Hmmmm... almost 5 hours... prolly busy composing a EEYUUUUUUGE list. :-s

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:33 pm**

still waiting :-"

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:24 pm**

I've got it! In a cruel twist of irony the team keeps RGIII and lets Cousins walk BUT the team re-signs Colt McCoy and he is named the starter because Scot McCloughan listened to the fans who didn't want to pay Cousins market value and fans, of course, know everything about how to manage a professional football franchise, and Scot knows that those same fans who told him not to pay Cousins will miraculously *sh$t* him a franchise quarterback in the upcoming draft!

Let me know when this begins to sound ridiculous.

Posted: **Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:01 pm**

In seeing a lot of talk on FB, mostly SB nation, saying we might in fact let Captain Kirk walk....

What do YOU think??

Posted: **Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:01 am**

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:In seeing a lot of talk on FB, mostly SB nation, saying we might in fact let Captain Kirk walk....

What do YOU think??

I think we have ZERO quarterbacks on the roster. I think there are no more appealing options. I think at least two teams in the NFC East alone would absolutely love the opportunity to sign Kirk Cousins and beat the Skins twice a year with him.

I think there are a lot of stupid people on facebook.

Posted: **Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:20 am**

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:In seeing a lot of talk on FB, mostly SB nation, saying we might in fact let Captain Kirk walk....

What do YOU think??

I think we have ZERO quarterbacks on the roster. I think there are no more appealing options. I think at least two teams in the NFC East alone would absolutely love the opportunity to sign Kirk Cousins and beat the Skins twice a year with him.

I think there are a lot of stupid people on facebook.

You sir, are a GENIUS. I think. =D>

Posted: **Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:45 am**

PulpExposure wrote:
DaSkinz Baby wrote:I think there are other options that will be just as good if not BETTER and not cost 19 million a year.

Awesome. Who are these options?

How about Braxton Miller, Conner Cook?

Posted: **Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:09 am**

DaSkinz Baby wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
DaSkinz Baby wrote:I think there are other options that will be just as good if not BETTER and not cost 19 million a year.

Awesome. Who are these options?

How about Braxton Miller, Conner Cook?

Only in Washington will fans tell you they can replace their starting QB with a rookie second round draft pick.

Connor Cook threw 200 yards and 2 INTs against Alabama a few weeks back. Clearly ready to face Arizona in September.

Is that you, Vinny?

Posted: **Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:15 am**

Braxton Miller? Does he even play QB now, he was a receiver last year at OSU. Connor Cook played injured against Iowa and Alabama and skipped the Senior Bowl due his shoulder injury. He'll probably have a fine career but the Skins have a young, proven top 10 NFL QB on the roster all they need to do is extend him and they will.

Posted: **Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:18 am**

OldSchool wrote:Braxton Miller? Does he even play QB now, he was a receiver last year at OSU. Connor Cook played injured against Iowa and Alabama and skipped the Senior Bowl due his shoulder injury. He'll probably have a fine career but the Skins have a young, proven top 10 NFL QB on the roster all they need to do is extend him and they will.

Don't question it, man. We've had 23 QBs in the past 25 years. If there's one thing we know here in DC, its quarterbacks.

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:06 am**

Oweiler??

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:02 am**

DEHog wrote:Oweiler??

Can't see Denver letting him walk. He's Denver's backup plan if Peyton retires or gets killed.

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:00 pm**

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
DEHog wrote:Oweiler??

Can't see Denver letting him walk. He's Denver's backup plan if Peyton retires or gets killed.

We shall see...They better get a deal done soon. I'm sure the KC camp is watching this one closely!!

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:58 pm**

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I've got it! In a cruel twist of irony the team keeps RGIII and lets Cousins walk BUT the team re-signs Colt McCoy and he is named the starter because Scot McCloughan listened to the fans who didn't want to pay Cousins market value and fans, of course, know everything about how to manage a professional football franchise, and Scot knows that those same fans who told him not to pay Cousins will miraculously *sh$t* him a franchise quarterback in the upcoming draft!

Let me know when this begins to sound ridiculous.

you had me at "I've got it .." just amazing, really

we don't know if Cousins will become a really good NFL QB - we do know he's the only option to play QB here in 2016

and

Cousins will be playing QB here for as long as Scot & this FO wants him to

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:49 pm**

After yesterday’s moves, the quarterback market is kind of gross
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -of-gross/

It’s hard to argue that Kirk Cousins is worth $19.9 million for a single year, or that Sam Bradford is worth $18 million a year for two, except for one thing — that pesky law of supply and demand.

Washington and Philadelphia were forced into spending amounts that don’t seem consistent with the resumes of the quarterbacks they spent on, simply because there aren’t enough to go around.

With those two names off the market, the best unrestricted free agents available are Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brock Osweiler and Chase Daniel. Think about that for a moment, and then come back from the bathroom but not before washing up.

Once you get past those guys, there are sufficient backups on the market, guys such as Drew Stanton, Matt Moore, Matt Schaub, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Whitehurst and the like, but nobody else that any reasonable mind would look at and say “Yeah, I can go to the playoffs with that guy.”

And there are plenty of teams with playoff aspirations that need to be in that market.

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:40 pm**

riggofan wrote:After yesterday’s moves, the quarterback market is kind of gross
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -of-gross/
It’s hard to argue that Kirk Cousins is worth $19.9 million for a single year, or that Sam Bradford is worth $18 million a year for two, except for one thing — that pesky law of supply and demand.

Washington and Philadelphia were forced into spending amounts that don’t seem consistent with the resumes of the quarterbacks they spent on, simply because there aren’t enough to go around.

With those two names off the market, the best unrestricted free agents available are Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brock Osweiler and Chase Daniel. Think about that for a moment, and then come back from the bathroom but not before washing up.

Once you get past those guys, there are sufficient backups on the market, guys such as Drew Stanton, Matt Moore, Matt Schaub, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Whitehurst and the like, but nobody else that any reasonable mind would look at and say “Yeah, I can go to the playoffs with that guy.”

And there are plenty of teams with playoff aspirations that need to be in that market.

Interesting that RG wasn’t mentioned in the article…wonder where he falls within this list?

Posted: **Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:39 pm**

That is kind of a huge omission!

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:10 am**

The non-exclusive tag will pay Cousins $19.95 million, giving him the highest base salary of any quarterback in the league for the 2016 season. Sorry anyone thinking that this dude deserves to be paid this much for a fluke season is crazy.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:27 am**

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The non-exclusive tag will pay Cousins $19.95 million, giving him the highest base salary of any quarterback in the league for the 2016 season. Sorry anyone thinking that this dude deserves to be paid this much for a fluke season is crazy.

"Dude" deserves to be paid whatever some team will pay. That's how a free market works.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:31 am**

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The non-exclusive tag will pay Cousins $19.95 million, giving him the highest base salary of any quarterback in the league for the 2016 season. Sorry anyone thinking that this dude deserves to be paid this much for a fluke season is crazy.

"Anyone who thinks ..." is not a valid argument. It's a fallacy of generalization. Perhaps no one thinks Kirk Cousins is worth $19.95MM, not even Kirk Cousins. That's irrelevant. So is any opinion on what someone deserves to earn. That's negotiated in the legal language of the CBA. If we're being honest, no one "deserves" millions of dollars to play a game. It's not sports. It's sports entertainment. Sports is when you're not getting paid to do it. The minute a player becomes a professional it's a business and a job. Because it's a job it works like any other union job. The NFLPA is just a union into which the players pay dues and for which the NFLPA negotiates salary and benefits and the like.

It's technically not a free market job because there is a maximum salary. But like any other job if Company A wants to retain an employee they have to make sure Companies B, C, and D don't come in with better offers.

Most jobs don't even have a legal method of forcing an employee to stay. It isn't breach of contract when an employee isn't under contract.

So, if you want to argue the Redskins shouldn't have tagged Cousins at the cost of $19.953MM based upon his track record that's fine.

However, A) they have until June to work out a contract under different terms and B) there are no more appealing options in the draft or fee agency.

Posted: **Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:39 am**

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The non-exclusive tag will pay Cousins $19.95 million, giving him the highest base salary of any quarterback in the league for the 2016 season.

"Highest base salary" is almost meaningless. Yes, the tag gives Cousins a top-5 deal (by definition, duh), but it also comes with lots of risk for the player since it's only a one-year contract. You have to factor that in too when determining whether a player is worth it. Paying him $19 million this year is a hell of a lot better than letting him go test the FA market while we have no Plan B — I can tell you that. So yes, right now I think it's worth it, and I hope the team does everything it can to get a long-term deal by July.

Sorry anyone thinking that this dude deserves to be paid this much for a fluke season is crazy.

How do you know his performance last year was a fluke?

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