peyton manning coming to washington

[DarthMonk]

168 on the LSAT.
Passed the Virginia Bar
Passed NFLPA Agent Certification
46 on the Wonderlic

Let's assume this is true. I have no reason to doubt it as none of the claims are "off the charts."

This leads me to believe Hogman has a brain.

Oh and easily destroy weak arguments on the THN by posters who don't know when to separate emotion from debate and go all in on a losing proposition just for the sake of disagreeing with me.

His posts indicate he likes to avoid using it (his brain) when he can belittle someone instead. For instance (Hogman in yellow, me in blue):

The key is assessing his performance relative to other kickers. If you subtract his blocks, bad snaps etc, you'd have to do that for everyone else in order to accurately compare them. DUHHHHHH.

Therefore I suggest you actually take this link and READ!

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/fi ... -of-blocks

Gano ranks 18th at 85.71%. INCLUDING blocked kicks as MISSED ATTEMPTS he's better than Lowdriller. Got any "clutch" stats on him???

Darth (YOUR DADDY) Monk

PS - Your last post was funny!

Have you read your own stats?? Even based on this link we were dead last in FG make % excluding blocks in 2010. This year we improved to an impressive 18th in the league. Yay.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/fi ... 2011-02-07

Note when he finally reads the link that did exactly what HE SAID i wasn't doing (over several posts) all he could say was "Have you read your own stats??" followed by a sarcastic "Even based on this link we were dead last in FG make % excluding blocks in 2010. This year we improved to an impressive 18th in the league," all of which I had pointed out TO HIM long ago in that thread.

Hogman, I often like your posts but you so often rebut people without (apparently) reading what they say that you lose credibility. I know you may not care (I sense a Dr. Phil post coming) and that's fine. I'm just sayin'.

DarthMonk

[KazooSkinsFan]

168 on the LSAT.
Passed the Virginia Bar
Passed NFLPA Agent Certification
46 on the Wonderlic

Here's a fact, I don't remember my LSAT score, but it was higher then the average of the incoming law class at #1 Yale and I only took it for fun. The wife of a bud I rented a room from during college was taking it to actually go to law school. I took a couple practice tests with her and it was fun, so I took the exam. You were in the bottom 25th percentile at Yale.

I turned down UVA for my MBA and went to Michigan where I graduated with high distinction, top 10% of the class. My GMAT also was above most of the incoming Yale class who are #1 in business scores as well.

Just the facts. Maybe that's why I only work for myself. Well, and my wife...

[Irn-Bru]

For everyone not discussing the Skins: I suggest comparing personal achievements in a non-football forum, like The Lounge or (if you want to let it be a free for all) Smack. Please help us clean up Hogwash of this . . . well . . . hogwash.

[UK Skins Fan]

So this isn't the right thread for me to tell everybody how clever I am?

Damn.

Oh well, back to the topic - has Peyton arrived yet?

[1niksder]

For everyone not discussing the Skins: I suggest comparing personal achievements in a non-football forum, like The Lounge or (if you want to let it be a free for all) Smack. Please help us clean up Hogwash of this . . . well . . . hogwash.

What if you can't discuss the Redskins without interjecting personal achievements?

I-B you're gonna LOVE the new board

[SouthLondonRedskin]

So this isn't the right thread for me to tell everybody how clever I am?

Damn.

Oh well, back to the topic - has Peyton arrived yet?

Yeah, he showed up, heard all the bs that was going on here and said 'Sod this, I'm going to Denver!'

I don't blame him...

[The Hogster]

168 on the LSAT.
Passed the Virginia Bar
Passed NFLPA Agent Certification
46 on the Wonderlic

Here's a fact, I don't remember my LSAT score, but it was higher then the average of the incoming law class at #1 Yale and I only took it for fun. The wife of a bud I rented a room from during college was taking it to actually go to law school. I took a couple practice tests with her and it was fun, so I took the exam. You were in the bottom 25th percentile at Yale.

I turned down UVA for my MBA and went to Michigan where I graduated with high distinction, top 10% of the class. My GMAT also was above most of the incoming Yale class who are #1 in business scores as well.

Just the facts. Maybe that's why I only work for myself. Well, and my wife...

My post was SARCASM. Not an invitation to read your Resume. Nobody cares.

[DarthMonk]

For everyone not discussing the Skins: I suggest comparing personal achievements in a non-football forum, like The Lounge or (if you want to let it be a free for all) Smack. Please help us clean up Hogwash of this . . . well . . . hogwash.

Thanks. I like the closing "hogwash."

DarthMonk

[1niksder]

When did 18 become more than 23, other than in you're world.

They never talked so you can't say what he would have gotten. You can't comprehend what I was saying and I get that. But how can you say he wouldn't have gotten more than $18M for 16 weeks from a team that paid him $26M for Zero weeks. I gave a example of what he might have gotten way before you quoted what the pontifs said he was likely to get.

I had a opinion and you still don't... you still don't get it and have no capacity to get it.

You had nothing then and you got nothing now even though we waited for the deal to be done you still got nothing, nada zelch.

You: Peyton should go to the Colts to restructure his deal and stay there.
Me: No he shouldn't. That's dumb.
Reality: Peyton did not restructure to stay in Indy.

You: Peyton has no leverage with the Colts before he was cut.
Me: Peyton has all the leverage because he's going to become a Free Agent.
Reality: Peyton became a Free Agent.

You: Peyton won't have options who will pay him anything close to his old deal. He's old, injured, and will be shopping at the Dollar Store.
Me: You're nuts to say that. Peyton will be sought after in FA and will get PAID.
Reality: Peyton had several teams vying for his services and he signed a 5 Year $96M deal.

Dude. You're done. Sit down and spend your time learning rather than whining and crying over spilled milk. I'm getting tired of schooling you. Take off the training wheels. Check please.

Reality is you never read the points you argued against has proven in the leverage thread....

Reality is he became a free agent because he got cut, it wasn't his choice the Colts had all the leverage.

Reality is he had a few teams that were interested in him and the Broncos offered him a 1 year prove you can play contract guaranteeing his base pay and no other commitment.

Reality is Pierre Garcon got a better deal than Peyton. Peyton's deal is set up to pay out as the season plays out. When the season ends Peyton will have nothing but hope. He won't even have the option the restructure, while Garcon, got $11M just to sign with Washington, Washington will spead that money over the length of his deal(5 years $2.2M per), just like the Broncos will spread Manning money over the length of his deal (1 year $18M). When a team commits to a player they spread the money out because they know the player will be there. That didn't happen with Peyton. Garcon got cash, Peyton got a appointment with a doctor next year. Pierre has his 2012, 2013 and another $4M guaranteed, Manning got all he could and hopes for more. If they both got cut today Manning would walk with $18M Garcon would pocket $20.5M. Both left the Colts, both signed with other teams one has guaranteed money in the future weather he stay with his new team or not the other will be at the mercy of the team's doctors in 11 months.


That the reality of Peyton's deal, if you don't get it I can break down somebody else's new deal

Josh Morgan signed a five year deal that voids after two... That's a deal that says we want you to stick around for a few years but money is tight so we'll work it out so you get yours now and we will deal with the cap later, Morgan didn't pocket as much as Garcon did up front but he was paid $5.5M more than Peyton got to sign. Players with a lot of teams interested in them get upfront money for signing, Peyton had so many offers he took the one that paid him $0.00 up front.

The Colts would have given him at least the same amount Garcon got AT LEAST. Both of my examples had Manning's 2012 and 2013 base salaries of $7.4M and $8.4M being converted to signing bonus money, that's a $15.8M starting point versus getting zero.

Of course you knew all this, why else did you not even bother to read what you were arguing against, right?

Let us know when reality finally hits you.

[The Hogster]

1niksder wrote:

Reality is Pierre Garcon got a better deal than Peyton. Peyton's deal is set up to pay out as the season plays out. When the season ends Peyton will have nothing but hope.

And, with this, it has become incredibly clear that your posts are not worth responding to anymore. This is beyond misinformation.

FYI - Every NFL contract is essentially a series of 1 year deals. When the season ends, Peyton will have (i) $18M and (ii) $40M+ guaranteed if he is on the Broncos roster at the beginning of the 2013 league year. Which is essentially built in protection against Peyton getting another neck injury. If you read his Injury Guarantee, you will see that Peyton's salary is even guaranteed against Skill and Injury (except for to his neck). So if he goes out this year and tears an ACL, he still gets paid.

I'm done. Read something from another professional before you continue spreading inaccurate information. Per Andrew Brandt:

The first year of Manning's deal with the Broncos will pay the quarterback $18 million without injury protection for the Denver Broncos, according to Brandt. The Broncos will then pay Manning $40 million guaranteed for the next two seasons, pending Manning passing a physical in March of 2013. The final two seasons of Manning's deal will pay out $19 million each season.

As it stands right now, Manning's deal is essentially a one-year deal for $18 million guaranteed, but if he's fully healthy in March of 2013, it will jump to a total of $58 million guaranteed for the first three years.

That's not hope. That's hardcore security that if Peyton goes out and doesn't sustain a career ending neck injury, he's getting $58M GUARANTEED over 3 years. If you read NFL Contracts, you'll know that any contract on a player with an injury is going to have a similar exclusion. I personally drafted one for a client with a similar injury to Peyton's, a LT who played for the SD Chargers last year & is now a FA. BTW, even if he restructured with the Colts as you wanted, he still would have had an injury exclusion. Everybody in the world knew of Peyton's injury. Nobody was going to offer him a contract without an injury exclusion. So you are not making any point. It's funny how your argument shifted from Peyton should stay in Indy, to he'll never get another good deal, to well he'll never get the money on the good deal he signed.

http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-free-agency/2012/3/20/2887461/peyton-manning-contract-denver-broncos

[1niksder]

1niksder wrote:

Reality is Pierre Garcon got a better deal than Peyton. Peyton's deal is set up to pay out as the season plays out. When the season ends Peyton will have nothing but hope.

And, with this, it has become incredibly clear that your posts are not worth responding to anymore. This is beyond misinformation.

FYI - Every NFL contract is essentially a series of 1 year deals. When the season ends, Peyton will have (i) $18M and (ii) $40M+ guaranteed if he is on the Broncos roster at the beginning of the 2013 league year. Which is essentially built in protection against Peyton getting another neck injury. If you read his Injury Guarantee, you will see that Peyton's salary is even guaranteed against Skill and Injury (except for to his neck). So if he goes out this year and tears an ACL, he still gets paid.

Every contract does require a Neck inspection just to stay on the roster... Garcon's "one year" deal will pay him over $5M if he gets ccut before the 2013 season Manning's does even pay out cab fare 1 is one year one is 5 years. Those guarantees fall under that IF too if he doesn't get the OK on his neck he gets nothing, period. He has no injury guarantee until after the the neck review... You don't know what you are talking again. If tears a ACL he gets the 2012 base from this year and still has to have his neck checked out before he gets another penny.

I'm done. Read something from another professional before you continue spreading inaccurate information. Per Andrew Brandt:

The first year of Manning's deal with the Broncos will pay the quarterback $18 million without injury protection for the Denver Broncos, according to Brandt. The Broncos will then pay Manning $40 million guaranteed for the next two seasons, pending Manning passing a physical in March of 2013. The final two seasons of Manning's deal will pay out $19 million each season.

As it stands right now, Manning's deal is essentially a one-year deal for $18 million guaranteed, but if he's fully healthy in March of 2013, it will jump to a total of $58 million guaranteed for the first three years.

He's saying the same thing I'm saying but it's not a physical the contract specifically says his neck.

That's not hope. That's hardcore security that if Peyton goes out and doesn't sustain a career ending neck injury, he's getting $58M GUARANTEED over 3 years. If you read NFL Contracts, you'll know that any contract on a player with an injury is going to have a similar exclusion. I personally drafted one for a client with a similar injury to Peyton's, a LT who played for the SD Chargers last year & is now a FA. BTW, even if he restructured with the Colts as you wanted, he still would have had an injury exclusion. Everybody in the world knew of Peyton's injury. Nobody was going to offer him a contract without an injury exclusion. So you are not making any point. It's funny how your argument shifted from Peyton should stay in Indy, to he'll never get another good deal, to well he'll never get the money on the good deal he signed.

It doesn't have to be career ending as long as the Broncos doctors say no, he gets nothing that's hardcore security for the Broncos, not Peyton.

It's you shifting and twisting in the wind here son, others have even called you on it. I still stand by what I've posted, If you ever get around to reading that you might want to read the contract details too.

[tribeofjudah]

AHHHH.........the thread that REFUSES............to DIE

[Mississippiskinsfan2]

AHHHH.........the thread that REFUSES............to DIE

And it really doesnt have anything to do with the redskins so can someone lock it plz!!!

[The Hogster]

AHHHH.........the thread that REFUSES............to DIE

It's about to die now because I am firmly convinced that it's not worth responding to anymore. If there is a way to post a PDF on THN, I will post a real NFL Contract with a Skill & Injury guarantee. A contract that also involves an injury similar to Peyton's.

I drafted one two seasons ago for a Left Tackle who got injured for the San Diego Chargers last season. In this player's case, the player had a neck injury, but the point of debate with AJ Smith that this player's injury exclusion should only cover 1 specific disc in the player's neck. The Chargers wanted to broaden the language to include he player's entire back/spine. In exchange for broadening the exclusion, we got more guaranteed money.

Again, if anyone wants to learn about the NFL and player contracts, I will give examples of REAL contracts for people to review in a thread, via email or whatever. All I care about is accurate football information about what contracts really say, and what they mean. This is particularly frustrating because people read this and actually believe part of it. And, if it's flat wrong, nobody benefits from that.

[1niksder]

AHHHH.........the thread that REFUSES............to DIE

It's about to die now because I am firmly convinced that it's not worth responding to anymore. If there is a way to post a PDF on THN, I will post a real NFL Contract with a Skill & Injury guarantee. A contract that also involves an injury similar to Peyton's.

We aren't talking about a contract similar to Manning's we are talking about Manning's contract. Which is fully guaranteed in 2012 (all of it is base salary). The rest of the deal is moot unless the Broncos doctors says his neck is good to go, the doctors will say what the team wants them to say

I drafted one two seasons ago for a Left Tackle who got injured for the San Diego Chargers last season. In this player's case, the player had a neck injury, but the point of debate between AJ Smith and I was that this player's injury exclusion should only cover 1 specific disc in the player's neck. The Chargers wanted to broaden the language to include he player's entire back/spine. In exchange for broadening the exclusion, we got more guaranteed money.

If that were true then you would understand the difference between injury guarantees and a guarantee based on passing the neck inspection prior to next season. I've explained it more than three time and you still don't get.

Again, if anyone wants to learn about the NFL and player contracts, I will give examples of REAL contracts for people to review in a thread, via email or whatever. All I care about is accurate football information about what contracts really say, and what they mean. This is particularly frustrating because people read this and actually believe part of it. And, if it's flat wrong, nobody benefits from that.

I that were the truth you would take the time to find out the facts before posting this BS. Asked the real agent for that LT to look over what I've posted and see what he says.....

Just don't let him see that you're taking credit for his work, while he's kicking it with the Bobcats

Manning has $18M fully guaranteed no if and or but about it.

If a guarantee includes a IF then it not a guarantee until after the IF is resolved in other words it's not a guarantee at the time. Manning's 2013 base is guaranteed if his neck holds up this year and it passes the checkup on March 13 2013. It has nothing to do injury protection. His 2014 salary will be guaranteed unless there is a neck issue.

What happened with the contract you drafted for someone else to get the commission on anyway? Did his neck issue go away? Is he still under contract? Does he still play for the Chargers.

You don't have to answer... I'll take a guess

His agent (not being you) got him a 5 year extension (so it wasn't a contract that you were drafting), his agent got his commission on a 5 year $48M deal. The player go less than $2M to sign the extension, and $1.4M over the first two years of the deal. He would have made more than $10M this upcoming season with the skill and injury guarantees that you spoke of kicking in, if he had been on the roster on March 13th but he wasn't and he still hasn't signed with any other team.

You really should let this go. That hold gets deeper and deeper. I'll let other's come by and throw the dirt on you.

Not much more I can teach you on this subject, so I'm done.

[The Hogster]

Never said I "negotiated" a player contract. I participated in drafting the language in the injury guarantee. I'd give you this player's agent's number, but based on past experience, it's not like it would be used to find the truth. Try Twitter.

[1niksder]

You always say you said something else once you get your foot out your mouth...

You really should let it go, why would I want your family members nuber from you. We were both in arena last week if I wanted to talk to him I would have did it face to face.

[The Hogster]

What would make you go watch such bad basketball? Lol We are not going to agree. We have different views on this from all angles. It happens. I think I'm right. You obviously think you are too. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

[1niksder]

It don't matter but you didn't even take the time to read my POV before doing what you do.

Be real... You can't change my opinion if you don't even take the time to read the post to figure out my what my opinion is

I-B gets feed up sometimes (that's more on me than you), Trey gets a headache, the ole heads know the deal and the newbies catch on real quick, but it is what it is.

Five thread is a bit much but Hey.

As far as watching the two worst teams in the NBA goes, your peps loves the home team, and my brother now lives in NC, we're both "Homers" and the Wizards were in town,

From here on out don't get mad when I my replys start with "did you read what I wrote"... but it's not like I care.

[The Hogster]

It don't matter but you didn't even take the time to read my POV before doing what you do.

Be real... You can't change my opinion if you don't even take the time to read the post to figure out my what my opinion is

I-B gets feed up sometimes (that's more on me than you), Trey gets a headache, the ole heads know the deal and the newbies catch on real quick, but it is what it is.

Five thread is a bit much but Hey.

As far as watching the two worst teams in the NBA goes, your peps loves the home team, and my brother now lives in NC, we're both "Homers" and the Wizards were in town,

From here on out don't get mad when I my replys start with "did you read what I wrote"... but it's not like I care.

Disagreeing with what you wrote doesn't mean that I didn't read it. I did. I can't make sense of it still. As for people getting fed up, it takes two to keep these arguments going, so let's not act as if this is something I'm dragging on.

[1niksder]

It don't matter but you didn't even take the time to read my POV before doing what you do.

Be real... You can't change my opinion if you don't even take the time to read the post to figure out my what my opinion is

I-B gets feed up sometimes (that's more on me than you), Trey gets a headache, the ole heads know the deal and the newbies catch on real quick, but it is what it is.

Five thread is a bit much but Hey.

As far as watching the two worst teams in the NBA goes, your peps loves the home team, and my brother now lives in NC, we're both "Homers" and the Wizards were in town,

From here on out don't get mad when I my replys start with "did you read what I wrote"... but it's not like I care.

Disagreeing with what you wrote doesn't mean that I didn't read it.

Then why where you asking questions last night that were asked and answered back in February?

I did.

If you did it must have been today.

I can't make sense of it still.

Everybody else just ask for clarification, and I can't think of one person that I didn't at least try to clarify the issue for them. Doesn't mean they agree with me but at least they take the time to understand what I'm trying to say.

As for people getting fed up, it takes two to keep these arguments going, so let's not act as if this is something I'm dragging on.

Yeah but it only takes one to make it less than civilized, and one to reply in kind, though I go too far sometimes I'd rather it be me and you than you and someone that's gonna stalk you year round and cause the Mods more work than what I do. (yeah staff members get moderated too... rules are rules).

Simply put we can agree or disagree without arguing and belittling other posters. At least in public forums, who we are and what we do outside of posting on this site doesn't mean a hill of beans unless you're kicking Mark something for the upkeep of the place. I do what I want now because I did what I had to do to get to where I'm at. I know who I know and they no me so dropping names fall in the same group as what you do for a living and where you went to school. None of it matters.

It a message board for Redskins fans and Trolls from ttiT, and now a Browns fan. One of the trolls could be your Boss for all I care. On this site you are what you post.

OTAs start Monday, we'll pick this up next March, unless you bump the Banks thread if he don't get cut.

I'll bump this next March regardless if Peyton is rumored to be coming to Washington or not.