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"LaVar said nobody's talked to him,"

So Joe was just standing there poking his finger in his chest all the time not saying a word

Joe Bugel offered probably the most revealing insight -- that the team can't play someone who mixes one flashy play with four or five bad ones.

Buges has been the hatch man for the last year or so. It's not Gibbs style and GW rarely does it.

Scottskins wrote:Lavar is definitely done on this team unless he has a complete turnaround. He may have pushed Gibbs too far already. Lavar will never see his potential fullfilled with the head on his shoulders. He's too immature and just makes bad decisions...

With any other coach I'd agree. Gibbs doesn't play favorites, he doesn't hold grudges, and he won't sit a player that can help the team to prove a point.

We all say he can help the team if he's on the field and I still feel that way. But until Lavar shows he wants to be on the field (doing what is asked of him). He'll be on the sidelines

You can't put it any plainer than that and I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. What I do not understand is how there can be so many who don't seem to understand this.

Despite what some may say about LaVar, I can remember a time in Pro Football when there's no way would he be on anybody's team. That five letter word called"MOUTH" would have sealed his doom.

i think those whole were not playing lavars packages in is complete bs. You either want him to play or not. I want him to play and i beleive he would have contained the run and would not have let tatum bell score like that. plus when a guy goes to the probowl for 3 years... he is probably much better than a normal guy. even if they say he free lances i think he wont if they play him.

LA's not a bad guy IMO. He said himself that hes bugged that this is distracting from what the team has done. If he really wanted to draw all this attention he could pull a T.O. and whine and cry and be a REAL distraction. Hes just mad. Hes been the "face" of the franchise for 5 years, and now he is like 5th on the depth chart. I totally understand that in this system you have to know what your doing and no freelancing, but from what i can see he hasnt even had a chance to show that he has learned and is disciplined. I would never question the staff, but they do seem to be a bit vauge. all i keep hearing is Schemes this and Schemes that, and thats fine, but good god man, how about usind a "scheme" that can generate a pass rush or force mistakes/turnovers. And as far as a perfect game, he's right, no one plays a perfect game. ask sean taylor about his bad angles on tatum bell last week, or portis/brunell botched handoff. Clearly he has either done something to piss of the staff, or just cant/doesnt show the smarts to fully grasp his responsibilities in the system. Or a combo of both is where the truth probably lies. All i know is people should stop hating on the guy so much. Does he freelance too much? yes. But i can specifically remember at least 2 games that he straigt up won for our club (rams k. warner fumble, Carolina interception return), and numerous other games hes contributed in and always played hard. He goes out of his way to mention the fans and be cool to them. He threatned to "snatch up" warren sapp if he tried to disrespect the REDSKINS! He went to management to reconciliate his contract dispute (and dont give me this crap about "well he makes 50 million allready" because ANYone who honesty thought they got ripped on 6 mil would try to recoupe it). Hes played hurt. He's played in posistions where he may have not liked or thought was in his best interest. He has tried to give support to the team/staff/headcoach. I saw LA straigt up tackle and smack down this fool on the t.v. show While you were out, becuase he tried to wear a cowboys jersey at redskins park. I think a lot of the hating is because of his draft status (#2) and everyone tried to label him "the next L.T." early in his carear (good luck demarcus ware). LA's not LT, but he is a playmaker, and one thing is for sure... He WANTS to make plays for this redskins team.

Oh yeah, he also ended Troy Aikmans carear! Just thought i need a final chapter to my novel...

Spencer,

I here ya

Joe Gibbs is simply not going to put up with a guy who thinks he's the team. Not the so-called "face of the team" but the team. I don't care how many pro-bowls he's been to.

He will no longer be able to get by on his reputation, he' going to have to produce like everybody else. I think what JG is doing in this case is absolutely correct. It probably should have been done before now. Marvin Lewis probably wanted to do it but he didn't want to get into a dog fight with the "Face of the team" What a joke, I can think of several players on this team more worthy of the title who are team players, and not all about themselves. If I were the owner I would be mad as hell at a player who talked about the team, and accused the team of the things this guy has. On top of that he said in one of his interviews, "He didn"t give a damm about what anyone else thought about him" hence I can't understand all the so-called sympathy for poor little pitiful LaVar. So while he was signing all the Autographs (smiling) telling you how great you are (so you'll buy his Jersy) the REAL LaVar says he dosen't give a damm what you think.

How about some love for that attitude. Maybe he told JG and GW the same thing.

You're not gonna muscle your way into the lineup by going through the media. Not with Gibbs, and not with Williams, either.
Show up, look ready and play your tail off in practice.

I'm sorry...
I, for one, am sick of all the Lavar bashing.

Put him on the field and SHOW me where he is an OVERALL hinderance to the team. That is
BOTTOM LINE!!! You can't LOOK me in the eye and tell me Lavar should be sitting. There is no justification for him going from 3 pro bowls to not a single play in the last game.

For shame

HOSS wrote:I'm sorry...
I, for one, am sick of all the Lavar bashing.

Put him on the field and SHOW me where he is an OVERALL hinderance to the team. That is
BOTTOM LINE!!! You can't LOOK me in the eye and tell me Lavar should be sitting. There is no justification for him going from 3 pro bowls to not a single play in the last game.

For shame

You failed to mentioned the year and a half that he was injuried and someone else had to step up.

HOSS wrote:I'm sorry...
I, for one, am sick of all the Lavar bashing.

Put him on the field and SHOW me where he is an OVERALL hinderance to the team. That is
BOTTOM LINE!!! You can't LOOK me in the eye and tell me Lavar should be sitting. There is no justification for him going from 3 pro bowls to not a single play in the last game.

For shame

I have no shame. I never liked the man. He was good for a hit or two for the highlight reel, but most of the time he was caught out of position. He's a rouge, a freelancer. I have to believe that our staff knows more than I do. Would I like to see him on the field ? Oh, hell yeah. Who wouldn't ? Do I mess with a good thing ? Sometimes, if it's a sure bet.
Do I think that LaVar Arrington is a dummy ? No, I don't.
Is this referring to myself in the third person getting tiresome ? Why, yes it is.
So, here I am. This is what I feel. There's something going on, behind the scenes, that we are unaware of. Joe does not alienate people because they are outlandish or hot dogs. (See "Manley, Dexter" or "Riggins, John" for more details) There's something wrong here, and my feeling is that they are saving him for the stretch. COuldn't it be as simple as that ?

HOSS wrote:I'm sorry...
I, for one, am sick of all the Lavar bashing.

Put him on the field and SHOW me where he is an OVERALL hinderance to the team. That is
BOTTOM LINE!!! You can't LOOK me in the eye and tell me Lavar should be sitting. There is no justification for him going from 3 pro bowls to not a single play in the last game.

For shame

Put him on the field so he can mess something up? So he can blow coverage? So they can score off of that mental lapse?

Now thats all based off of the opinion that he's not ready to be in yet. If he's not ready then he doesn't need to be on the field to simply prove something to a fickle fanbase. Im not refferring to you as being fickle.

tcwest10,

I hear ya!! I guess I'm a little antsy for that stretch!!

Let's assume that Lavar does "freelance" too much as a lb. How does that prevent us from using him as a DE in pass rushing situations??

SkinzCanes wrote:Let's assume that Lavar does "freelance" too much as a lb. How does that prevent us from using him as a DE in pass rushing situations??

Well a DE does not JUST rush the QB.

A DE is supposed to start off straight for containment purposes and then try to slash in for the QB. Anyone remeber Bruce Smith and how he ONLY went after the sack and after over pursued they would run the ball past WHERE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Lavar is not a pitbull on a chain waiting to be unleashed on a QB. Even in a pass rushing role you must still be aware and hold your area down.

Can Lavar be trusted to do that? Who knows?

SkinzCanes wrote:Let's assume that Lavar does "freelance" too much as a lb. How does that prevent us from using him as a DE in pass rushing situations??

LaVar doesn't want to drop down to the three-point, for one. Plus, that DE has other assignments when the play fully develops, and LaVar hasn't shown that he can take all that in. How many times in the new defense will you see the safety come up and the DE drops back ? Lavar wants the highlight hit, not the dirty work.
I base this on the last four years, not two weeks ago. Maybe he's a new man now. Still, I have to go with what Joe and Gregg see.

I agree with TC. I have reason to doubt a defensive mind like Williams who held this team down all last season and has continued to do so in spite of what people on this board believe.

I have no reason to doubt Gibbs who inherited a STEVE SPURRIER team, still doesn't have "his" team and has this offense improving by the week.

I have no reason to believe a player who lied on this ENTIRE organization and tried to make us look bad.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinzCanes wrote:Let's assume that Lavar does "freelance" too much as a lb. How does that prevent us from using him as a DE in pass rushing situations??

Lavar is not a pitbull on a chain waiting to be unleashed on a QB. Even in a pass rushing role you must still be aware and hold your area down.

Can Lavar be trusted to do that? Who knows?

You remember Kevin Greene? The guy was a beast of a Pass Rushing LB, but an ENORMOUS liability in the running game!
Would you want Greene on this team? And LA never has rushed the passer as well as Greene, of course he is much better at all of the other stuff that a LB should do than Greene. I still think that there is a point in what I am writing and hopefully you can figure it out because I can't!

Nothing of consequence has been added to this thread since it started!

We are 3-1! We have, IMO, the best coaching situation in the NFL, with a great head coach and the best combination of coaches in the NFL. We have a very good LB in Arrington. Things are looking pretty good to this fan.
Great discussion, but I'm just going to watch and let it play out because these guys are doing a great job by not using Arrinton much so far. I have faith that GW (& Gibbs) will keep us on track for the playoffs and probably keep people and the Redskins faithful, guessing (and wondering how they do it!) all the way to the last game.

Besides that, I get the feeling they probably are going to do it their way anyway. I have no doubts about the fact that they (Gibbs/Williams/Arrington) know a whole lot more about it than the "information" we are getting from "he said, we said" reporters/media idiots.




I have no doubts that Arrington is going to help this team, some how, some way! Absolutely, positively, be a force!

my thing on this arrington deal is yes he is a team player but so is the coach and the coaching staff. this is nothing new to coach gibbs and his coaching staff.it will be dealt with when the time comes but until then we are doing quite well i think.

i,m not worried about it cause it will get worked out.

Arrington still miffed over role
By Ryan O'Halloran
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 13, 2005


Arrington hit many of the same talking points he did in his weekly radio appearance on Tuesday. He took issue with comments made recently by Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis, the Redskins' defensive coordinator in 2002, who said Arrington drove him batty with his freelancing.
"For Marvin to say I drove him crazy and didn't know the schemes, I did lead all linebackers in the National Football League with 11 sacks that season," he said.

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20051 ... -2406r.htm

This is new. The "Team Player" LaVar is stating that his numbers lead NFL. What about the team records that year 8-8 if I recall. I don't care how many sacks he had. Marvin Lewis and LaVar were butting heads all season. The only reason Marvin did not bench him is because he was the only playmaker on the team at that time. Now we have Marcus Washington, Sean Taylor, and Griff. The team no longer has to yield to LaVars' ego. In addition Greg Williams and Gibbs are on the same page in terms of the team concept. Marvin Lewis had a green head coach in Spurrier who did not even know the defensive player’s names. LaVar is dealing with a proven coaching staff now and he is loosing the battle.

G. Williams "If you do it in practice, you'll do it in the game"

This is NFL gospel.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinzCanes wrote:Let's assume that Lavar does "freelance" too much as a lb. How does that prevent us from using him as a DE in pass rushing situations??

Well a DE does not JUST rush the QB.

A DE is supposed to start off straight for containment purposes and then try to slash in for the QB. Anyone remeber Bruce Smith and how he ONLY went after the sack and after over pursued they would run the ball past WHERE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Lavar is not a pitbull on a chain waiting to be unleashed on a QB. Even in a pass rushing role you must still be aware and hold your area down.

Can Lavar be trusted to do that? Who knows?

So Wynn's containment worked right? Tatum Bell smoked him or should we give him the benefit of the doubt because of a wet field? I have and always will maintain that Lavar is not a "true" LB.

For those that feel he would still be a liability even at DE, there are other teams around the league like Baltimore and Indy that have undersized DEs (Suggs and Freeney) that are not a liability against the run or pass. Those two are full-time DEs. If the LBs ahead of Lavar are so good, then whether he has a "breakdown" or not shouldn't matter because those "all world" LBs will pick up the slack. Just like they picked up the slack after Bell got past Wynn, right????

At this point it is really starting not to matter anymore. Lavar and the coaches are doing a "riverdance" around this issue so it probably won't be resolved. If the coaches don't feel that Lavar can contribute, deactivate him and get another CB, then start putting those "beautiful" minds together and figure out a way to generate a pass rush and get turnovers.

I love what the offense is doing but we are just a few things away from being a 21+ points per game unit. The "old-man" is taking his Cialis (arm) and the O-line is giving him time and keeping him healthy. We need more production down field out of Patton and Thrash/Jacobs so we can get space for Portis to run.

roybus14 wrote:So Wynn's containment worked right? Tatum Bell smoked him or should we give him the benefit of the doubt because of a wet field?

It was Phillip Daniels who lost contain on that play.

roybus14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinzCanes wrote:Let's assume that Lavar does "freelance" too much as a lb. How does that prevent us from using him as a DE in pass rushing situations??

Well a DE does not JUST rush the QB.

A DE is supposed to start off straight for containment purposes and then try to slash in for the QB. Anyone remeber Bruce Smith and how he ONLY went after the sack and after over pursued they would run the ball past WHERE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Lavar is not a pitbull on a chain waiting to be unleashed on a QB. Even in a pass rushing role you must still be aware and hold your area down.

Can Lavar be trusted to do that? Who knows?

So Wynn's containment worked right? Tatum Bell smoked him or should we give him the benefit of the doubt because of a wet field? I have and always will maintain that Lavar is not a "true" LB.

For those that feel he would still be a liability even at DE, there are other teams around the league like Baltimore and Indy that have undersized DEs (Suggs and Freeney) that are not a liability against the run or pass. Those two are full-time DEs. If the LBs ahead of Lavar are so good, then whether he has a "breakdown" or not shouldn't matter because those "all world" LBs will pick up the slack. Just like they picked up the slack after Bell got past Wynn, right????

At this point it is really starting not to matter anymore. Lavar and the coaches are doing a "riverdance" around this issue so it probably won't be resolved. If the coaches don't feel that Lavar can contribute, deactivate him and get another CB, then start putting those "beautiful" minds together and figure out a way to generate a pass rush and get turnovers.

I love what the offense is doing but we are just a few things away from being a 21+ points per game unit. The "old-man" is taking his Cialis (arm) and the O-line is giving him time and keeping him healthy. We need more production down field out of Patton and Thrash/Jacobs so we can get space for Portis to run.

Lest we forget all of this talk is moot (not Smoot). The Skins are winning, the D is ranked in the top 5, we are a top the NFC East and looking for a playoff spot.

The "beautiful minds" already know how to get the job done, now it is up to the players to go out and do what Parcells says is the most underrated thing in football, that is

EXCECUTE!

SkinsHead56 wrote:The Skins are winning, the D is ranked in the top 5, we are a top the NFC East and looking for a playoff spot.

The rush defense is ranked 15th. Last season we were ranked 2nd.

There is room for improvment.