Taylor = Thug

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:40 pm

^ thanks again for the info

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:35 am

great post 1nik

not sure how you guys find this stuff lol, but that's why we come here...

This paints a very informative picture. I guess something like this is exactly what Sean needs. I'm starting to believe that somebody is trying to make a name for themselves and are prosecuting the wrong party. If that's true, then it will probably work out ok for Sean. In the meantime, hopefully he will be scared straight from this thing.

He's got anger management issues obviously, but seems to be a great person aside from that. I don't know anyone with anger like that who has all of the sudden mellowed out unfortunately. I sure hope he is not guilty and returns to the Redskins, but even if he does, he's gonna have to get rid of this childish attitude. Gibbs will put up with some stuff because of how good a player he is and because he's a good kid deep down inside, but you can only push it so far. Get the message Sean, before it's too late. You've already cost yourself millions, don't cost yourself a career in the NFL....

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:04 am

Why does he have to be so different. Didnt we factor any of these issues when asessing talent during the 2004 draft? I guess he was the right pick over winslow but he is still a headcase and needs some serious work.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:43 pm

Taylor's Co-Defendant Could Get Plea Bargain

Saturday, July 2, 2005; Page E02

The Miami-Dade state attorney's office has postponed the preliminary court hearing of Sean Taylor 's co-defendant, Charles Elwood Caughman , in the hopes that he accepts a plea bargain and becomes a prosecution witness against the Redskins safety, according to the defense attorney. Taylor has been charged with one felony count of aggravated assault with a firearm and faces a minimum sentence of three years.

Caughman, 19, of Baltimore, was charged with one felony count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (a bat). He faces a maximum of 15 years; there is no mandatory minimum sentence.

Caughman's hearing -- a plea conference -- originally was scheduled for last Thursday. It was moved to July 11, one day before Taylor's hearing, when the 22-year-old officially will be provided an opportunity to accept the minimum sentence. If Caughman accepts a plea bargain, he will be added to the prosecution's witness list for Taylor's hearing, the state attorney's office said yesterday.

"What they are doing is using Charles as a pawn to get the top prize: Sean Taylor," said Caughman's attorney, Evan Hoffman , who said his client -- who knows Taylor casually -- was on vacation in Miami when the June 1 incident occurred. "They could have filed a misdemeanor against my client. But there's a headhunt for Sean Taylor, and we don't need to be caught in the middle of it. We're going to explore all our options, and do what's best for Charles.

"The state wants to resolve our case on July 11. But right now we have no reason to cooperate. I don't see the court proving its case."

Taylor's trial date tentatively has been set for Sept. 12 -- the day after the team's season opener against the Chicago Bears -- although it is expected to be postponed for several months through continuances requested by Taylor's attorney, Edward Carhart .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01914.html

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:06 pm

Heres a different spin on the Sean Taylor thing, since he hasn't been working out, is it guaranteed he is still in shape and can perform at the level he did last year?

Tom C · Post by **Tom C** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:04 pm

"What they are doing is using Charles as a pawn to get the top prize: Sean Taylor," said Caughman's attorney, Evan Hoffman

That sucks, well... unless the prosecuters are right, hmmm...

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:09 pm

How expensive were those ATVs compared to the cost of all present and future cost of this fallout?

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:10 pm

i gonna keep my mouth shut. it may be the smartest thing i've done in a while.

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:17 pm

hailskins666 wrote:i gonna keep my mouth shut. it may be the smartest thing i've done in a while.

You got that right! :roll:

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:31 pm

What's important is that they list Taylor and Coughlin knowing each other "casually". Apparently, they're not good enough friends to cover each others back. The guy will take the plea bargain!!

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:15 am

JPFair wrote:What's important is that they list Taylor and Coughlin knowing each other "casually". Apparently, they're not good enough friends to cover each others back. The guy will take the plea bargain!!

These "buddies" will ONLY get him in trouble getting a ride on his money and fame. Otherwise, they will back-stab him at the first opportunity. When will Sean Taylor learn that Joe Gibbs -can- become his best friend and mentor???

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:50 am

Taylor hearing takes place today
By David Elfin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 12, 2005

Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor will have a better idea of what to expect in his upcoming trial by lunchtime today.
Taylor and co-defendant Charles Caughman both will be in court today in Miami for hearings on felony assault charges stemming from a June 1 incident. Taylor purportedly pointed a gun at three men whom the safety claimed had stolen two of his all-terrain vehicles. Caughman purportedly threatened them with a baseball bat.
Caughman's attorney, Evan Hoffman, was granted a one-day extension of his hearing until today "to give us more time to make the ultimate decision" about accepting the state's plea bargain or going to trial. Hoffman would not disclose the terms of the state's offer.
According to the state attorney's office, Caughman, who faces no minimum sentence but a maximum of 15 years if convicted, has had his trial date moved from Aug. 22 to Oct. 3.
Taylor's attorney, Edward Carhart, doesn't believe Caughman will agree to testify against his client.
"Since Mr. Caughman said in a taped statement he gave to the police that no one had any weapons of any kind that night, he would have to do a 180 to accept the plea bargain," Carhart said.
While Caughman is appearing before Judge Peter Adrien this morning, Taylor will be in front of Judge Mary Barzee.
"The state will offer Sean a lesser sentence than the three-year mandatory minimum [Taylor faces if convicted], and I believe that he will turn it down and we'll proceed to trial," Carhart said.
Taylor's trial is scheduled for Sept. 12, the day after the Redskins open the season at home against the Chicago Bears. The maximum sentence on Taylor's felony charge is 16 years. He also has been charged with simple battery, a misdemeanor.

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050 ... -7019r.htm

Courts
Co-Defendant In Taylor Case Is Considering A Plea Deal

Tuesday, July 12, 2005; Page E02

The co-defendant in the criminal case involving Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor planned to decide by today whether to testify against Taylor as part of a plea deal with the Miami-Dade state attorney's office, according to his attorney.

Ongoing discussions about a possible plea deal necessitated the second postponement of a preliminary hearing for Charles Elwood Caughman yesterday in Miami. The hearing was moved to this morning, and is expected to take place shortly before a preliminary hearing for Taylor in a separate courtroom of the Richard E. Gerstein Justice Building.

Evan Hoffman , Caughman's attorney, said his client was considering all options, including going to trial and accepting a plea deal that would not involve being added to the prosecution's witness list in the Taylor case. Miami-Dade assistant state attorney Mike Grieco is prosecuting both cases.

"There are a lot of issues," Hoffman said moments after a brief appearance in front of Miami-Dade circuit judge Peter Adrien . "We could theoretically close our case [today]. . . . We have to figure out if we can do things on our terms."

Hoffman said by cell phone that, at the end of the business day, his client remained undecided. "It's going to be an 11th-hour decision," he said.

Caughman's decision could have a significant impact on Taylor's case in front of judge Mary Barzee . Taylor, 22, faces a felony charge of aggravated assault with a firearm and a misdemeanor charge of simple battery stemming from a June 1 altercation in Miami over Taylor's two stolen all-terrain vehicles. According to police reports, a violent confrontation took place after Taylor accused two men of stealing the vehicles.

Taylor, who entered a written not-guilty plea to the charges, is required to appear at today's hearing with his attorney, Edward Carhart .

Caughman, 19, of Baltimore, has been charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly wielding a bat during the incident.

-- Amy Shipley

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01281.html

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:49 am

gosh im ready for all this to be over with!!!

maatopdogg · Post by **maatopdogg** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:57 pm

washingtonpost.com
Taylor Rejects Plea Deal
By Amy Shipley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 12, 2005; 3:45 PM

MIAMI, Fla., July 12 - A Miami-Dade circuit judge on Tuesday gave Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor freedom to travel within the United States as he defends himself against felony assault and misdemeanor battery charges after Taylor rejected a plea deal from the Miami-Dade state attorney's office that included a three-year prison term.

Judge Mary Barzee reaffirmed Taylor's trial start date as Sept. 12, one day after the Redskins' season opener against the Chicago Bears at FedEx Field. Taylor faces a maximum of 16 years in prison if convicted of the charges stemming from a June 1 altercation in Miami over his two stolen ATVs.

Meantime, in another courtroom at the Richard E. Gerstein Justice Building Tuesday, the other defendant with connections to Taylor's case, Charles Elwood Caughman, also declined a plea bargain from Miami-Dade assistant state attorney Mike Grieco and received an Oct. 3 trial date. Caughman meaning he will not appear as a prosecution witness against Taylor-a development considered a boost to Taylor's case.

Taylor, 22, did not speak during the brief hearing. When asked outside Barzee's courtroom whether he planned to report with other players for Redskins' training camp on July 31, he said, "We'll see." Taylor, wearing a blue dress shirt, khaki dress pants and brown leather shoes, left about five minutes after the hearing, brushing past television cameras.

Taylor's attorney, Edward Carhart, said he expected the start of the trial to be pushed back, possibly until after the season, though he did not ask for a continuance Tuesday.

Carhart, who informed Barzee that Taylor has residences in Washington and southwest Dade County, added that he expected Taylor to show up to camp on time and participate actively in the season's activities. "I hope so," Carhart said. "I'm sure he hopes so. I'm sure the Redskins hope so. ..... I can't call the shots for him, but I would expect to see him in camp."

Though Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs excused Taylor from the team's mini-camp because of his legal problems, he said he expected the second-year safety to attend training camp.

The attorney for Caughman, Evan Hoffman, said his client could have had the felony assault charge against him - which carries a 15-year maximum sentence - dropped had he agreed to cooperate against Taylor. Caughman was charged with allegedly wielding a bat in the incident in which Taylor was accused of pointing a handgun and hitting a man with his fist.

"We were ethically and morally obligated to turn down the offer because we are steadfast in maintaining his innocence," Hoffman said.

Grieco said he had no choice but to offer Taylor a plea bargain that included three years imprisonment because the charges carried that minimum mandatory sentence.

That comes "from a statute, that doesn't come from me," he said.

Grieco also said he did not object to the defense request for freedom for Taylor to travel as a member of the Redskins because "I don't feel Mr. Taylor is a flight risk. He's a national figure. I'm not concerned."

Carhart said Taylor gave no consideration to accepting the prosecution's plea offer. "I don't know many people who like to be in prison," he said. "We consider Mr. Taylor to be innocent and I think the evidence will show he's innocent."

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:57 pm

Taylor Rejects Plea Deal

By Amy Shipley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 12, 2005; 3:45 PM

MIAMI, Fla., July 12 - A Miami-Dade circuit judge on Tuesday gave Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor freedom to travel within the United States as he defends himself against felony assault and misdemeanor battery charges after Taylor rejected a plea deal from the Miami-Dade state attorney's office that included a three-year prison term.

Judge Mary Barzee reaffirmed Taylor's trial start date as Sept. 12, one day after the Redskins' season opener against the Chicago Bears at FedEx Field. Taylor faces a maximum of 16 years in prison if convicted of the charges stemming from a June 1 altercation in Miami over his two stolen ATVs.

Meantime, in another courtroom at the Richard E. Gerstein Justice Building Tuesday, the other defendant with connections to Taylor's case, Charles Elwood Caughman, also declined a plea bargain from Miami-Dade assistant state attorney Mike Grieco and received an Oct. 3 trial date. Caughman meaning he will not appear as a prosecution witness against Taylor-a development considered a boost to Taylor's case.

Taylor, 22, did not speak during the brief hearing. When asked outside Barzee's courtroom whether he planned to report with other players for Redskins' training camp on July 31, he said, "We'll see." Taylor, wearing a blue dress shirt, khaki dress pants and brown leather shoes, left about five minutes after the hearing, brushing past television cameras.

Taylor's attorney, Edward Carhart, said he expected the start of the trial to be pushed back, possibly until after the season, though he did not ask for a continuance Tuesday.

Carhart, who informed Barzee that Taylor has residences in Washington and southwest Dade County, added that he expected Taylor to show up to camp on time and participate actively in the season's activities. "I hope so," Carhart said. "I'm sure he hopes so. I'm sure the Redskins hope so. ..... I can't call the shots for him, but I would expect to see him in camp."

Though Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs excused Taylor from the team's mini-camp because of his legal problems, he said he expected the second-year safety to attend training camp.

The attorney for Caughman, Evan Hoffman, said his client could have had the felony assault charge against him - which carries a 15-year maximum sentence - dropped had he agreed to cooperate against Taylor. Caughman was charged with allegedly wielding a bat in the incident in which Taylor was accused of pointing a handgun and hitting a man with his fist.

"We were ethically and morally obligated to turn down the offer because we are steadfast in maintaining his innocence," Hoffman said.

Grieco said he had no choice but to offer Taylor a plea bargain that included three years imprisonment because the charges carried that minimum mandatory sentence.

That comes "from a statute, that doesn't come from me," he said.

Grieco also said he did not object to the defense request for freedom for Taylor to travel as a member of the Redskins because "I don't feel Mr. Taylor is a flight risk. He's a national figure. I'm not concerned."

Carhart said Taylor gave no consideration to accepting the prosecution's plea offer. "I don't know many people who like to be in prison," he said. "We consider Mr. Taylor to be innocent and I think the evidence will show he's innocent."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00959.html

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:08 pm

Grieco also said he did not object to the defense request for freedom for Taylor to travel as a member of the Redskins because "I don't feel Mr. Taylor is a flight risk. He's a national figure. I'm not concerned."

*SIGH* Can't we just go back to the days when pies in the face were the hot stories surrounding Mr. Taylor? Again.... *SIGH*

Jeff Rhodes · Post by **Jeff Rhodes** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:25 pm

I'm neither surprised nor encouraged that Taylor turned down the plea bargain. A deal that included a three-year prison term is a deal no one in his position would take.

I'm very pleased, however, that Caughman didn't agree to testify against Taylor. I think it strengthens Taylor's case significantly that his co-defendant would rather face jail himself than incriminate someone he believes is innocent.

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:26 pm

I don't expect to see ST at camp. If he DOES show up, it'll be near the end of it. He'll be finishing up his partying because he hasn't had a chance to do that in the past few days. :explode:

ejay183 · Post by **ejay183** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:26 pm

Well now he can go to camp and travel with the team.

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:26 pm

Man I wouldnt accept that 3 year crap either... he's gonna get out of this... with a good attorney and daddy's 20+ years worth of connections... You better believe he can get a better deal than that.

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:34 pm

He's going to get out of it...but does JGibbs want him back into it? I definitely LOVE him as a player...but as a man....he's a piece of crap. If he doesn't make up for what he's done off the field this year...... :explode:

I'm having a sudden madness breakdown....forgive me!

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:51 pm

If he committed the felony with a gun, I hope he rots in prison. We don't need people like that walking the streets. Yes, I'm a Redskins fan....but I'm a bigger fan of people being able to walk the streets in our society safely.

SKINZ_DOMIN8 · Post by **SKINZ_DOMIN8** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:56 pm

I am worried about this, they seem to want to nail Taylor before giving him a fair trial.

It is all he said/ he said bilge if you know what I mean.

ejay183 · Post by **ejay183** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:57 pm

Taylor should get the Ravens lawyers, so he can play come September

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:14 pm

I kinda figured that guy from Baltimore wasnt going to testify against Sean. I was going to post that earlier but I decided not to. "Snitching" is a big deal here in Baltimore, especially since they released that video called "stop snitchin" that got national attention. Cats feel real proud about that video, which is sad to say.