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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:48 pm
by HTTRRG3ALMO
The Hogster wrote:An NFL runner is not a track runner. You need lateral movement, and the ability to move inside of a phone phonebooth. Those are things RGIII lacks.
RGIII doesn't have lateral movement?? Totally disagree with this. He moves like a cat laterally.
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On the football field RGIII isn't a fraction of the runner that AP is. IMO, Wilson and Kaep are better runners than RGIII. And let's not touch upon Vick.
RGIII isn't the runner AP is, but that's apples and oranges. AP is a running back. I'm sure AP is not a fraction the passer RGIII is too.
Neither Wilson nor Kaepernick are better runners than RGIII. Better at avoiding contact--YES. Better runners?? Not even close. Kaep has straight line speed, but he has the agility of a punter. I think your first statement about lateral moves applies more to Kaepernick than RGIII. You're right about Vick. But, no QB in history runs like Vick. Vick is like Barry Sanders with his agility and burst (in his prime) RGIII is more of a Gayle Sayers with smooth, fluid quickness & speed. Vick's skills made him harder to defend running. But, he's the best ever as far as running from the QB position.
But in the National Football League, RGIII lacks football moves and instincts that other QB's have. He'll beat you around the edge, he'll make you hesitate on a stutter move but he'll never break a defense player down in space.
I don't know what would give you this idea. Maybe the hurt RGIII, but this wasn't the case all year.
I also take into consideration his inability to slide/protect himself as things that he can't do as a runner. You must be able to protect yourself as a runner, or you won't be running for long... Case in point.
This is true.
I think his ability to scramble & get more time to pass the ball is the center of his greatness. Even if he runs less, the scrambling and avoiding sacks while still get the pass completed is what will set this guy apart. Be still my heart.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:47 pm
by SkinsJock
5 weeks into the rehab ...
we were told that the rehab could be from 6 - 8 weeks and that time, which is critical, would be spent in FL so Dr Andrews can monitor everything closely
FASTER and WISER
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:40 am
by emoses14
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:44 pm
by Kilmer72
Yeah, that article really doesn't say anything though. Just so far so good.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:55 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
LOL, continue to hate because that article says nothing new and it's still a chance he won't start...
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:49 am
by Chris Luva Luva
You know what's really going to piss people off? Kirk is gonna go in there and buy RGIII so much additional time to heal. They might not even start the kid until midway through the season, or until after our bye. And we will have a winning record after the bye. Afterwards, we'll get all the media circus hoopla QB controversey foolishness. RGIII is gonna come in there, prepared as usual and lead us back to the playoffs. We will see Seattle again, and we will beat them.
Kirk will be sought after...
The 2014 offseason is gonna be bananas. I'm excited.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:19 am
by emoses14
Chris Luva Luva wrote:LOL, continue to hate because that article says nothing new and it's still a chance he won't start...
Yeah, that's pretty much what I figure as well.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:23 am
by emoses14
Chris Luva Luva wrote:You know what's really going to piss people off? Kirk is gonna go in there and buy RGIII so much additional time to heal. They might not even start the kid until midway through the season, or until after our bye. And we will have a winning record after the bye. Afterwards, we'll get all the media circus hoopla QB controversey foolishness. RGIII is gonna come in there, prepared as usual and lead us back to the playoffs. We will see Seattle again, and we will beat them.
Kirk will be sought after...
The 2014 offseason is gonna be bananas. I'm excited.
Hmmm. Wouldn't be upset about that. Except for the part where we're going to have to hear ad nauseum about how RGIII is too fragile, he's vick, he'll never make it in the league, etc until he does come back and then he will only shut them up after we win the superbowl next year.
Hang on, I'm actually OK with that, never mind.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:24 pm
by Irn-Bru
emoses14 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:You know what's really going to piss people off? Kirk is gonna go in there and buy RGIII so much additional time to heal. They might not even start the kid until midway through the season, or until after our bye. And we will have a winning record after the bye. Afterwards, we'll get all the media circus hoopla QB controversey foolishness. RGIII is gonna come in there, prepared as usual and lead us back to the playoffs. We will see Seattle again, and we will beat them.
Kirk will be sought after...
The 2014 offseason is gonna be bananas. I'm excited.
Hmmm. Wouldn't be upset about that. Except for the part where we're going to have to hear ad nauseum about how RGIII is too fragile, he's vick, he'll never make it in the league, etc until he does come back and then he will only shut them up after we win the superbowl next year.
Hang on, I'm actually OK with that, never mind.
Yep. I say, from CLL's lips to God's ears.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:28 am
by cleg
i am positive that the Redskins will play in the Super Bowl next year because the football God's love a good story and that will be the Redskins playing the SB in Mara's house.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:18 pm
by RG3peat
cleg wrote:i am positive that the Redskins will play in the Super Bowl next year because the football God's love a good story and that will be the Redskins playing the SB in Mara's house.
the football Gods HATE the Skins
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:37 pm
by SouthLondonRedskin
RG3peat wrote:cleg wrote:i am positive that the Redskins will play in the Super Bowl next year because the football God's love a good story and that will be the Redskins playing the SB in Mara's house.
the football Gods HATE the Skins
Nah, don't be paranoid!
The football gods hate the browns - that much is obvious!
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:01 pm
by SkinsJock
Today is 9 weeks after the operation - sounds like it's going well
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2186 ... -of-season
gotta love it
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:30 pm
by HTTRRG3ALMO
Excellent news!!
I'm paranoid here, but RG in Texas...hope dude has a lot of body guards around him.
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:52 am
by Countertrey
^ Not to worry... They LOVE RG3 in Texas...
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:42 pm
by emoses14
Quite frankly, he might be safer in Texas than he would be in DC. They really, really LOVE him in Texas. There are more anti Skins/pro-ttit fans in the DMV who aren't texas football fans, than there are non-RGIII fans in all of Texas.
Remember he went to Baylor and won a heisman.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:38 am
by emoses14
The interview is a little wide ranging, but the article snippet is about Griffin.
I love everything about this (especially the last 2 sentences), except perhaps the probable delay in some of Griffin's development. Let's be honest he's going to get better even without being 100% healthy when OTAs start, but he won't get as better (yeah, yeah). Mike taking a firm "No go unless 100%" is exactly the approach I'd hoped he'd take.
http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... 00-percent
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:48 am
by SkinsJock
I hope that both Mike and RG3 want RG3 to be as good as he can be - that only happens if both have learnt a lot from what happened last season
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for RG3 to be completely rehabbed from this operation
Dr Andrews operations on athletes has actually improved since he did Peterson's deal
RG3 is an olympic level athlete and will be getting himself fully rehabbed and ready
he will not be allowed to put that knee at risk - given the type of operation and the IMPROVED methods used - RG3's knee is NOT going to be a factor
I look for RG3 to be starting - because he's going to be ready to go and it makes no sense not to play your best QB - when he's completely healed
RG3 really needs to do a much better job of protecting himself than he did - he needs to 'play' in order to properly learn to do that
we have heard nothing to indicate that he will not be ready for opening day - and we know that he will be doing EVERYTHING he can to do just that
Mike Shanahan will be doing what he does - lying and misleading everyone to try and get an edge, like his buddy Belicheat
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:06 pm
by HTTRRG3ALMO
SkinsJock wrote:
he will not be allowed to put that knee at risk - given the type of operation and the IMPROVED methods used - RG3's knee is NOT going to be a factor
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RG3 really needs to do a much better job of protecting himself than he did - he needs to 'play' in order to properly learn to do that
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Mike Shanahan will be doing what he does - lying and misleading everyone to try and get an edge, like his buddy Belicheat
Trimmed your comment so that it shows what I'm replying to...
Not being negative here, but it definitely is a fear in the back of my mind that even though I believe, as well, that RG3 will be 100% or stronger this year, let us not forget they borrowed "parts" from his other knee again.
How many more times can he do this?
My thoughts right now are simply that we would "extend" his career as long as possible. He may very well have a long and productive career and that's my greatest hope for him...but if history repeats itself, that might not be possible. So I'm hoping for the best while handling my own fears.
Shanny will keep giving good responses to the media just because that's the nature of the media game. LOL funny thought, can you imagine how freaked out we would be if Shanahan was on the news crying and screaming "OMG!! Dude is jacked up man!!"
Everyone, including myself, would down there ready to lynch the entire FO.
Media thrives on our fear, anger, and self-righteousness ("look at all the bad guys and what they're doing"). If everyone in the news was all happy happy joy joy we'd probably see a more cautious Shanahan w/ the optimism. All about balance in dealing with people's expectations.
Of course once the news freaks everyone out to get the ratings they need, they move on to the next thing...which is anything that scares or pisses off Redskins fans (talking in the context of negative articles directed towards the Redskins).
Sometimes, with enough caffeine and chocolate, you get a happy story
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:13 am
by SkinsJock
in another thread, Chris points to a slightly different point "where would we be, IF RG3 had taken himself out of the game ... " - he'd be available to help with the OTAs and the 'new' offense that I think we're going to see .. AND .. we would not be hoping that he will be ready to play on opening day - we might even have won that game ....
true dat ... but ... that did not happen and we have to move on
RG3 HAS TO LEARN A BIG LESSON FROM WHAT HE's DONE - to himself, to his coach and to his team
I think he has but that will not be clear until we see him in action again
ALSO
the ONE good thing about having the operation is that Dr Andrews was also able to "fix" or "improve" the operation that was done in 2009
from all we've heard about these operations and from what we've seen from AP who had a similar operation by Dr Andrews a whole year before - RG3 will be fine
I know I'm VERY optimistic but this is a very special athlete and I think we're going to see that he's 'grown up' and learned a BIG LESSON from all this
HE HAS TO
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:27 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:in another thread, Chris points to a slightly different point "where would we be, IF RG3 had taken himself out of the game ... " - he'd be available to help with the OTAs and the 'new' offense that I think we're going to see .. AND .. we would not be hoping that he will be ready to play on opening day - we might even have won that game ....
Is this even true? No doubt RGIII worsened the injury by staying in, but it seems pretty clear that his knee was damaged even before the game. This is admittedly just a guess on my part, but I would bet he was facing some kind of off-season surgery either way.
Count me in the RGIII optimists camp though on his bouncing back.
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:36 am
by Chris Luva Luva
riggofan wrote:No doubt RGIII worsened the injury by staying in, but it seems pretty clear that his knee was damaged even before the game.
Worsened, is putting it lightly lol. Pre-game, we were still dealing with a strained ligament. Post-game, ruined the existing knee and setback his other knee cus they need parts for the reconstruction. Big difference.
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:50 am
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:in another thread, Chris points to a slightly different point "where would we be, IF RG3 had taken himself out of the game ... " - he'd be available to help with the OTAs and the 'new' offense that I think we're going to see .. AND .. we would not be hoping that he will be ready to play on opening day - we might even have won that game ....
We don't necessarily know that. After the reinjury, early in the game, he may still have required off-season surgery. There is no way of knowing what might have been had he been pulled at that point.
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:54 am
by Deadskins
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:in another thread, Chris points to a slightly different point "where would we be, IF RG3 had taken himself out of the game ... " - he'd be available to help with the OTAs and the 'new' offense that I think we're going to see .. AND .. we would not be hoping that he will be ready to play on opening day - we might even have won that game ....
Is this even true? No doubt RGIII worsened the injury by staying in, but it seems pretty clear that his knee was damaged even before the game. This is admittedly just a guess on my part, but I would bet he was facing some kind of off-season surgery either way.
Count me in the RGIII optimists camp though on his bouncing back.
I guess I should have read all the new posts before responding to SJ, because I thought the exact same thing. I'm sure he will bounce back, but like CLL, I'm worried about a reversion to instinctive behavior in the heat of battle when it comes to protecting himself.
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:59 am
by Chris Luva Luva
Deadskins wrote:We don't necessarily know that. After the reinjury, early in the game, he may still have required off-season surgery. There is no way of knowing what might have been had he been pulled at that point.
If he had been pulled at the half, the coaches have time to adjust the game for Kirk. Kirk is then given time to adjust to the game and get into a rhythm. Regardless if RGIII had destroyed the knee at that point, the team still would have had a legit chance to continue in the playoffs.
RGIII not leaving the game until he completely destroyed the knee removed any chance. It was obvious to anyone watching that he was done and the offense was stalled.