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funbuncher wrote:Here is the latest from John Clayton...

Briggs deal on life support
<Apr. 27> Drew Rosenhaus will make one more frantic push to get Briggs traded, and the Redskins will be the key target, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
The Redskins' chances of trading out of the sixth pick appear dead, particularly if Brady Quinn is gone. The Dolphins have apparently decided not to trade up to No. 6, even if Quinn is there.


JLC says 50/50, and Clayton describes the deal as "on life support".

We will all just have to wait and see! Bahhhh!


I for one am excited about picking at 6. We don't need Briggs. I would literally cry if we do this deal. We wonder why our players don't give it their all...what must Rocky and Lemar be thinking?? What were Rock Cartwright and Nemo thinking when we brought in Duckett and didn't play him??

I'll tell you what...no one can stay motivated every day if it becomes apparent that no matter what you do, you will not get an opportunity.

Rocky was a leader in special teams tackles. Holdman was a matador and he still can't get on the field.

Rock Cartwright rushed for over 100 yards in the only game where he touched the ball 10 times....yet we trade away our 3rd round pick this year just to rent Duckett for 20 carries in a year??? That makes NO sense, I don't care how you spin it.

How does ST fell when we wouldn't renegotiate his contract, but offer Arch a big deal.

What in the world is wrong with Cerrato...just look at him. He even looks retarded.

Duckett is in Chicago and our 2nd and 3rd round picks are in someone elses pocket?? and what do we have to show for it? Nothing....now they are trying to trade their way out of a potential pro bowl player just to recover the picks we threw away.



Here is just the only problem with your quote: Duckett now plays for Detroit and if we trade this pick down we can still ge a pro bowl caliber player.
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Fios wrote:I still don't think it will happen but if the team has done its due diligence and decided Briggs is the best value for this pick, what's wrong with the move?


That is problem #1 with making this offer to the Bears. Where is the due dilligence?

It's been asked before on this site, and no one who supports the Briggs deal ever answers, but again...

If LB is such a need that we are willing to give up the equivalent of the 16th overall pick (1000 points) to Chicago by trading down to get Briggs, then why didn't we attempt to sign Adalius Thomas when he was a FREE agent two months ago?

The real answer that no one wants to hear is... We didn't think of it until Rosenhaus ran it by us in the hallway of the league meeting. We did not research this colossal team investment of draft pick and salary cap until then.

The only other explanation is that they looked at Adalius Thomas and said, "This guy is definately NOT the answer for us, but Lance Briggs is."

I challenge anyone to bring a single scouting report or league source that indicates that Lance Briggs is substantially better than Adalius Thomas. In fact, Thomas is usually rated slightly higher than Briggs from everything I've read, and the book on him is that he is so versatile he could fit into almost any system. On top of that, the contract parameters being floated around earlier had Briggs getting even more than Thomas did!

While I don't mean to be TOO negative :roll: , I do have an opinion which is that we initially jumped into this without giving it the amount of study it deserves. This is not to say that it couldn't end up being a good move that could work out great, but it is to say that we might have had a stud LB AND our 6th pick if we had played our cards right... not that I think we should have signed Thomas either, but if I had to choose between him and the 6th or Briggs and the 31st, the choice is simple.

Again, this is only problem #1 with this deal, problems 2 thru 12 were listed in above posts as well.
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How do you know the team didn't consider, and decide to pass on, Thomas?
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Well we'll never "know".

But if we asked 32 GM's if they'd rather have Adalius Thomas and the 6th, or Lance Briggs and the 31st, how many would take Briggs and the 31st?

Any?
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funbuncher wrote:Well we'll never "know".

But if we asked 32 GM's if they'd rather have Adalius Thomas and the 6th, or Lance Briggs and the 31st, how many would take Briggs and the 31st?

Any?



It's not that simple. Adalius Thomas is a prototype 3-4 OLB. The Ravens and Patriots both play the 3-4 so he was a perfect fit for them. If we signed Thomas he'd be a DE. At 270 lbs he wouldn't play OLB in a 4-3 defense. For the Redskins purposes, Briggs is a much better fit at LB than Thomas. Of course, for the Patriots, Thomas is a much better fit than Briggs.

I also checked on this: Thomas will be turning 30 this summer while Briggs won't be 27 until November.

If you consider that Briggs is a much better fit in the 4-3 defense (which almost every team in the NFL uses) and that Briggs will be 4 years younger than Thomas on opening day, I think a lot of GMs would rather have Briggs and the 31 than Thomas and the 6.
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Again, versatility is one of the guy's main attributes. He played 4 or 5 different positions for them. And the Ravens don't ONLY play 3-4. While reading about Thomas I came across the fact that they rotated between 3-4, 4-3, and a 46 defense. In fact, his versatility was part of the reason their defense was able to be so versatile.
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funbuncher wrote:Again, versatility is one of the guy's main attributes. He played 4 or 5 different positions for them. And the Ravens don't ONLY play 3-4. While reading about Thomas I came across the fact that they rotated between 3-4, 4-3, and a 46 defense. In fact, Thomas's versatility was part of the reason they were also able to be so versatile.


That's a good point but again it's not taking everything into account. If you were Adalius Thomas and you were a FA and the Patriots were offering you a huge contract to go there and play in Belichick's scheme and compete for the Super Bowl every year, why would you go play for the Redskins who are coming off a 5-11 season and had one of the worst defenses in the league last season? Even if we had wanted Thomas, it doesn't mean we'd be sure to get him.
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I agree, but the point is I don't believe we even tried. Did he come for a visit? I don't think he did. Did we call his agent? I didn't hear reports of it if we did.

I took that to mean that we had bigger priorities than guaranteeing 20 mill to a LB. Sounds good right?

Then the draft comes and we decide it is a proirity to accumulate more picks. Sounds good. Later than ideal to start being concerned with the importance of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks, but still a fine endeavor to collect more picks. Then along comes Rosenhaus with this idea to get 2 players for one draft pick, and we forgot where we started from in the first place.

Sometimes, it seems like we don't have a "permanent" plan that we can stick too.
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funbuncher wrote:I agree, but the point is I don't believe we even tried. Did he come for a visit? I don't think he did. Did we call his agent? I didn't hear reports of it if we did.

I took that to mean that we had bigger priorities than guaranteeing 20 mill to a LB. Sounds good right?

Then the draft comes and we decide it is a proirity to accumulate more picks. Sounds good. Later than ideal to start being concerned with the importance of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks, but still a fine endeavor to collect more picks. Then along comes Rosenhaus with this idea to get 2 players for one draft pick, and we forgot where we started from in the first place.

Sometimes, it seems like we don't have a "permanent" plan that we can stick too.


This would hardly be the first incident of a free agent signing with the first and only team he visited, for all we know he was New England bound from the minute he was able to become a free agent
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Friday 7:15 EST - John Clayton just announced on ESPN that the trade for Briggs is officially dead.
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SkinsFreak wrote:Friday 7:15 EST - John Clayton just announced on ESPN that the trade for Briggs is officially dead.

Didn't he say that 2 weeks ago only to bring it back to life again?
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I wont believe its dead till after tomorrow
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SkinsFreak wrote:Friday 7:15 EST - John Clayton just announced on ESPN that the trade for Briggs is officially dead.


Thank Geezus.
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SkinsFreak wrote:Friday 7:15 EST - John Clayton just announced on ESPN that the trade for Briggs is officially dead.


I hope so.
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Lance Briggs is the man
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I wouldn't mind seeing us make the Briggs trade and then take the G Grubbs out of Auburn at 31. That would fill 2 starting positions and if Grubbs develops the way the so-called experts seem to think he will, we could end up with 2 Pro Bowlers.
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JPM36 wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing us make the Briggs trade and then take the G Grubbs out of Auburn at 31. That would fill 2 starting positions and if Grubbs develops the way the so-called experts seem to think he will, we could end up with 2 Pro Bowlers.


We drafted a WLB in the second round. Lance Briggs is a former 3rd rounder. Bringing him in basically says that we don't know what we're doing via the draft.
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No deal for Briggs?
<Apr. 27> After working off and on with the Redskins on a trade for Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs since the owners meeting in March, the Bears realized getting Washington's No. 6 pick in the draft wasn't what they wanted, ESPN's John Clayton reports.


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andyjens89 wrote:Lance Briggs is the man


He sure is A man. But not THE man. I wonder what the future holds for him now?
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BearSkins wrote:
andyjens89 wrote:Lance Briggs is the man


He sure is A man. But not THE man. I wonder what the future holds for him now?

Choking down his pride and playing for a mere 7 million next year?
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You never know though. If there is an injury at LB'r something could still be worked out.
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Post by Chris Luva Luva »

Thank goodness this stupid trade is over with. No more Lance Briggs foolishness.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Thank goodness this stupid trade is over with. No more Lance Briggs foolishness.



There's always next year's picks. . .



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Hey look. We still have a chance at getting Lance Briggs! BTW this is from the same SI guy that put together the rankings of the 32 NFL QB's.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/15376
4. Briggs for Clinton Portis: The Redskins and Bears couldn't complete a deal around draft time, but maybe talks would resume if Chicago really believes Briggs will sit out the season. We know Washington will satisfy Briggs' contract demands. Portis is the one high-profile Redskin who has been mentioned in trades this offseason. The Bears' running game would be scary with a Portis-Cedric Benson 1-2 punch, and Washington could survive without the running back. And Chicago was also interested in Skins LB Rocky McIntosh in April.

His other scenarios are just as riduculous too.
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The more likely scenario is that we will give them Campbell for Briggs because we have Brunell and they would also include Grossman to be our #2 and when he has had 2 years of tutelage by Saunders & Gibbs he would be ready to step in and take over :twisted:
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