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KPrince1975 wrote:Lavar thinks he can speak out because, in a way, this team depended on him, and now it doesn't and that is frustrating to him. The guy is frustrated so help him become unfrustrated.

Maybe we can all pitch in and buy this guy a journal, so he can vent all his frustrations....privately.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

KPrince1975 wrote:I just wish the coaches would lead him instead of misleading him! And him in uniform, being a pro bowl player and the face of this franchise, and then not playing him AT ALL, IS MISLEADING!

I think I just saw a job posting on craigslist for a job over at Redskins Park, which might address this very issue:

Are you the next "Official Handholder of the Washington Redskins"???

Job description: Great opportunity for experienced handholder to lead high-priced employee through the rigors of an NFL season. Nanny's, babysitters, and social workers are encouraged to apply. Apply now to be a part of this billion dollar corporation. Enjoy preffered limited view seating right on the bench!!!

The Washington Redskins is an EOE.

A leader is someone who will do whatever is necessary to help whoever they are leading, out. Forget about the money, the entertainment side of football, forget about it all and lead Lavar to the top. I can think of so many things I would say to Lavar right now that would help him out, confidence wise. Lead don't react. Get this man eater a license to play!

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

KPrince1975 wrote:Lavar thinks he can speak out because, in a way, this team depended on him, and now it doesn't and that is frustrating to him. The guy is frustrated so help him become unfrustrated.

Maybe we can all pitch in and buy this guy a journal, so he can vent all his frustrations....privately.

I am all for that if it would help. I just know how he feels, and it sucks to be him right now and he doesn't know how to handle it. Quit treating him like a bad guy and get him back on the field. There has to be a resolution here. Haven't you ever seen Hoosiers. At some point both players and coaches have to make changes.

KPrince1975 wrote:Did Brunell earn his position back? I say no he didn't. Gibbs gave it to him out of default and a gut instinct. Lavar Arrington deserves to be on the field because he creates mismatches for the offense, and that is what GW defense is all about. It just doesn't make any sense to have him on the sideline, jacked up, and no body to hit, with a clean uniform.
I have held back from saying this. IT IS A SIN!

To be honest. I was against Brunell but he did show that he was the better QB during the camp and preseason.

So in a way he earned his job back by outperforming patrick ramsey. Gibbs didnt allow Ramsey to carryover his preaseason performance into the regular season.

KPrince1975 wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

KPrince1975 wrote:Lavar thinks he can speak out because, in a way, this team depended on him, and now it doesn't and that is frustrating to him. The guy is frustrated so help him become unfrustrated.

Maybe we can all pitch in and buy this guy a journal, so he can vent all his frustrations....privately.

I am all for that if it would help. I just know how he feels, and it sucks to be him right now and he doesn't know how to handle it. Quit treating him like a bad guy and get him back on the field. There has to be a resolution here. Haven't you ever seen Hoosiers. At some point both players and coaches have to make changes.

Champ Bailey really showed how the team used to be. He said in his interview that the old team would never think of playing without Lavar. Lavar USED to be the nucleus of the team but now there isn't on man to shine. Its a team thing now and Lavar is crying out for some TLC.

I quenched my thirst for blood on this madening topic by watching Sean Taylors hit on Creighton at the end of the Cowboys game in slow motion over and over. I am at peace now. May the force be with you!

The other guys on the team have battled and clawed there way to "earn" a spot on THIS unit (not george Edwards', or Marvin Lewis', for that matter), and it would be unfair to tell a Warrick Holdman, "um, the guy you replaced, who hasn't played in over a year, is healthy again, so you got to step." That's just wrong.

Please tell me you aren't serious?? So if Portis got hurt and missed some time you think that it would be unfair to put Betts back on the bench once Clinton came back?

Here's few numbers...
As Lavar playing time has gone South our opponents rushing yards are headed North..and we're headed into a game against the league best one two punch at RB!

Chi...41
Dal...90
Sea...119
Den...165

I think that these numbers are pretty telling. It seems that teams have figured out that they can attack Holdman's side of the field. The Seahawks made this adjustment at half time and were succesful running the ball against us after that, mostly at Holdman. I don't think that it was a coincidence that on 4th and 1 on their opening drive the Broncos ran Holdman's way, and surprise surprise he got caught inside and couldn't keep containment. Is there anybody here that doesn't think that the Chiefs are going to pound Holdman's side of the field with Holmes and Johnson all game long?

SkinzCanes wrote:Please tell me you aren't serious?? So if Portis got hurt and missed some time you think that it would be unfair to put Betts back on the bench once Clinton came back?

If Portis came back and wasn't performing to his previous standard and Betts was the better back. Yes, I'd start the better back who in the situation I just described would be Betts.

Im all for putting whoever is the best performer on the field.

If Lavar is beatin Holdman out in practice than we need Lavar out there. NONE of us know whats happening at practice. Holdman earned that spot and until Lavar can beat him out of it, Holdman can keep it.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Okay Redeemed, you think this is about Arrington not being right for GW's scheme, huh?

Explain last year then. Why did GW start Lavar over Lemar Marshall, over Antonio Pierce? Why? Did he magically 'unlearn the system?" Please support your argument.

For the same reason that Coles and Gardner were starters on the team and were not jettisoned earlier. Joe inherited a "situation", not a team. Since last season he has begun to form HIS team, not Spurrier's or Marty's. Some pieces didn't/don't fit, and that's sometimes a hard truth to swallow. It just might be that Lavar is one of those square pegs trying to fit in a round hole.

Keep in mind, too, Danny signed Lavar to the extension BEFORE Joe arrived. Had Joe had a say in it, we wouldn't be in this situation right now, and Lavar might have been shipped to his boyhood team, the Stillers.

Yeah but we just settled his arbitration hearing this past offseason, so I don't get your point. A;o, we are only 1 and a half million under the cap so trading him now is out of the question. Why keep him, pay him, and don't get any value out of what he has especially since we haven't sacked the quarterback since Regan was president. Also Gibbs has always said that the Defense is Gregg's deal.

I understand that Gibbs wants to keep this situation in house, and that is fine, but we are inadvertently feeding the fire by keeping him sitting and then throwing everyone a bone by claiming its the 'packages'...give me a break. Greg Williams has more packages than UPS.

The Hogster wrote:Lavar Arrington is not the only player who wants money. In fact players have agents for those reasons. I think Lavar is getting way too much credit here. Trust me, he isn't negotiating his contract with Cerrato and Snyder, his agent is.

Lavar may have diarreah of the mouth but c'mon, man. Why not make a decisoin to suspend him, or fine him. Noo, we have to paraade him out there in his uniform like he is in a Chunky Soup commercial and then not put him on the field.

That is less just plain weak.

I just think that Lavar has something to contribute. Maybe you all think he got 'terrible' all of a sudden. I don't. He was good enough to start over Lemar Marshall (our starting MLB now) last year in "the system", now he can't even see the field???

Give me a break. All of you all would be salivating if Lavar played for say the Titans, and they were thinking about cutting him. All of you all would make 100 thousand threads about why we should pick him up....he would give the pass rush we desperately need, he would team up with Sean Taylor...blah blah blah...don't deny it....same people were crying for Courtney Brown this offseason...now Everyone Hates Lavar...this is becoming a circus.

Good call.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:What has Lavar done lately, other than whine and complain? Not much.

It's hard to do much from the bench.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinzCanes wrote:Please tell me you aren't serious?? So if Portis got hurt and missed some time you think that it would be unfair to put Betts back on the bench once Clinton came back?

If Portis came back and wasn't performing to his previous standard and Betts was the better back. Yes, I'd start the better back who in the situation I just described would be Betts.

Im all for putting whoever is the best performer on the field.

If Lavar is beatin Holdman out in practice than we need Lavar out there. NONE of us know whats happening at practice. Holdman earned that spot and until Lavar can beat him out of it, Holdman can keep it.

If Lavar cant beat Holdman out in practice he doesnt belong on this team let alone the NFL.

The Hogster wrote:Yeah but we just settled his arbitration hearing this past offseason, so I don't get your point. A;o, we are only 1 and a half million under the cap so trading him now is out of the question. Why keep him, pay him, and don't get any value out of what he has especially since we haven't sacked the quarterback since Regan was president. Also Gibbs has always said that the Defense is Gregg's deal.

Maybe with the money that "the Danny" is paying Lavar he didn't want to buy him a Big Screen TV. I think we are "stuck" with Lavar this year It's funny because I can remember typing the same thing about Burnell around week 5 or 6 last year. I can see how we could free the cap space at this time to cover Lavar's hit with the way the roster is right now.

The Hogster wrote:I understand that Gibbs wants to keep this situation in house, and that is fine, but we are inadvertently feeding the fire by keeping him sitting and then throwing everyone a bone by claiming its the 'packages'...give me a break. Greg Williams has more packages than UPS.

OK I got it... GW is going with CLL and UPS, Gibbs and "the Danny" are hooked up with Fed-Ex. And Lavar must have a gig with DHL.
If that ain't the answer then I have NFC what's up with Lavar.

It pains me to think that Williams is trying to prove a point to Lavar, yet at the same time may have just cost us a loss in Denver. How could anyone think our defense would be worse with him on the field. Playing within the system is great but when guys like Taylor and Lavar are on the field the opposing team has to account for them, why not have as many of the those type players on the field at one time? Opposing teams are thanking Gibbs and Williams in the post game hand shake for not having Lavar play, this is really mind boggling.

I was searching for Redskins news and I stumbled across a possibly meaningless tidbit, however I was interested to know whether anyone else had heard of this:
I'm not sure how to post the link but it's on Mercurynews.com, posted on Oct. 11, 2005 by John Ryan
called "Character-driven", in it he writes,
"WORST MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH OF ALL TIME: Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs, recounting last week's finger-pointing exchange with demoted linebacker LaVar Arrington: ``I said, `Look, you can help this football team. You can rush the punter.' '' Utter shock that Arrington wasn't properly inspired and didn't play Sunday."


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 872014.htm

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:I was searching for Redskins news and I stumbled across a possibly meaningless tidbit, however I was interested to know whether anyone else had heard of this:
I'm not sure how to post the link but it's on Mercurynews.com, posted on Oct. 11, 2005 by John Ryan
called "Character-driven", in it he writes,
"WORST MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH OF ALL TIME: Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs, recounting last week's finger-pointing exchange with demoted linebacker LaVar Arrington: ``I said, `Look, you can help this football team. You can rush the punter.' '' Utter shock that Arrington wasn't properly inspired and didn't play Sunday."


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 872014.htm

Put the article in a quote box, I don't want to sign up.

whether Lavar should start or not, who knows. There's a lot of reason's, but none of them been confirmed. I think its stupid to not be playing Lavar, why he could at least be the De on third down, we need a pass rush, its non-existent right now. Don't tell me Lavar will free lance on that. He doesn't even need to learn the plays u can just say Lavar see the Qb sack him. Whether he should start who knows. Lavar said he went up to Danny Smith and said he could play special teams. Would I play Lavar if he is doing what he says he's doing and trying to learn, yes. If he is not listening to the coaches, no. But we don't know if Lavar is listening or not. Lets get real if Lavar got into a fight with Gibbs no one would want him and he would not be tradeable and it would hurt his nfl carrer. He's not dump and he won't do that. Look at Ramsey, he wants out so bad he can taste it now, but he is not being a problem because he knows his stock would drop. Samething with Lavar, I think they just flat out don't like Lavar, thats why he is not playing. Is it because of his talent no, its something personal (meaning character (his outburst), trust, sending a message to players to not speak out to the media) the coaching staff has something against him. I don't want to hear this Lavar is a liability, when has a three time pro-bowler been a liability. Lavar is not playing because the staff doesn't like him.

How did Lavar look in prsctice?
Did he work with the linebackers?
How much time was spent with this group?
Did he work at all with the D-line?
If so, which side?
How many snaps with the first unit?
Will he be playing Teams?
Did he practice with the special teams unit and how long?
Which Teams units will/would he be playing on?


We don't know the answers to any of these questions. The guys with all the answers seem to think the best place for Lavar right now is on the sidelines.

I have the answer: Lavar at FB. Imagine him as a lead blocker for Portis.

hand the ball off to lavar to run the ball

after all that has happened to this team the past two years, you guys still do not get it...

playmakers are great, but if they don't play within the system, then they hurt the team. Sure, throw Lavar in there at DE on 3rd and 7. Then the Chiefs run a draw to Larry Johnson who proceeds to run free and clear around the end because Lavar abandoned his outside containment and tried for the glory sack. I do NOT know that this is why Lavar is not on the field, but I suspect that it has something to do with it.

I do think that Gibbs will not put up with anyone airing dirty laundry. You can tell that this is part of the problem because Lavar has kept his mouth shut for the most part these last couple weeks. But then he's got to say something on a friggin radio show.

IMO Lavar has to show his teammates AND these coaches that he truly is a team guy who will do whatever it takes to get back on the field.

Teams are not running at Holdman any more than they are any other linebacker. Our CBs are very dinged up and we've been having to run a different defense to cover up for the backups weaknesses. Hasn't anyone noticed how we have hardly blitzed at all this season? There is a reason for that and it has nothing to do with Holdman or Lavar. Not to mention the very slippery field allowed Tatum to break both of those long runs. Take those 2 plays away and the Broncos have like 75 yards rushing.

We are fine on defense. Better than last year if we can stay healthy and Carlos can get up to speed. Lavar would be much better than Holdman if he wanted to be. He's gotta bend to the coaches will though. Greg wants Lavar out there, but for some reason he's holding him out. I promise you that Gibbs and Williams have told Lavar what it is. Lavar is either fighting it, or he just doesn't get what they are saying. Either way, he needs to just accept what they say and do it. Enough is enough already...

JSPB22 wrote:

BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:I was searching for Redskins news and I stumbled across a possibly meaningless tidbit, however I was interested to know whether anyone else had heard of this:
I'm not sure how to post the link but it's on Mercurynews.com, posted on Oct. 11, 2005 by John Ryan
called "Character-driven", in it he writes,
"WORST MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH OF ALL TIME: Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs, recounting last week's finger-pointing exchange with demoted linebacker LaVar Arrington: ``I said, `Look, you can help this football team. You can rush the punter.' '' Utter shock that Arrington wasn't properly inspired and didn't play Sunday."


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 872014.htm

Put the article in a quote box, I don't want to sign up.

Actually, that little blurb is all there is. The rest of the article is pretty crappy too. He predicts Nolan winning the SB in like 2010 vs the LA Vikings. That kind of stuff.

You don't need to sign up for most of these sites. Use this.

http://www.bugmenot.com/

can someone give me a 3 sentence summary of whats the deal with laavar? there are 40 pages and i cant find what the deal is.

Michaelf382 wrote:can someone give me a 3 sentence summary of whats the deal with laavar? there are 40 pages and i cant find what the deal is.

The deal is no one knows what the deal is. He isn't playing, and it's not because he isn't healthy. It's up to LaVar to convince Coach Williams to play him.

The deal is that we are wasting 12 million dollars this season by not playing the guy, even if just a little.