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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:17 pm
by GoSkins
skinsfan#33 wrote:The Hogster wrote:Deadskins wrote:The Hogster wrote:So would I, but you can't just draft a guy in Round 1 and expect him to be the franchise. This is especially true when you pick 6th, and the best 2 QBs are projected to go 1 and 2. And, the other QB starved team picks 2 spots ahead of you AND, has 2 first round picks this year.
See, I don't buy your contention that the Browns are QB starved, or that they are going to trade up to get RGIII. I think they will go for a FA QB to compete with McCoy, and use their #4 pick to take Blackmon.
Well then great. If that's the case, RGIII could fall to us. Which is even better.
See that is why i suggested that we might swap with the Browns. If Cleveland really wants Blackmon or the RB (drawing a blank on the name) then they could swap with us.
Why would we want to move up if the Browns aren't going to select RGIII? Because there are teams behind us that want him. I don't think any of them have the fire power to move up to #2 or #3; but #4 or #5 starts getting more affordable.
You are assuming we are the only team that cares about RG III. What about, Miami, Seattle, et al.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:00 pm
by SkinsJock
GoSkins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:GoSkins wrote:Given the aforementioned trade for Eli, it would seem a trade for RG III means we shouldn't have to give up too much.
the common feeling is at least this year's 1st and 2nd and next years 1st PLUS ....
Where do you get that from?
there are only 2 QBs available and there are some that think that RGIII might be worth a lot
there are many here that think 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks is just the begining of what it might take to get him
do you think that giving up 4 to 5 top 50 players in the next 2 years is OK to get a QB that might be a franchise QB for years
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:21 pm
by skinsfan#33
GoSkins wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:
See that is why i suggested that we might swap with the Browns. If Cleveland really wants Blackmon or the RB (drawing a blank on the name) they could swap with us.
Why would we want to move up if the Browns aren't going select RGIII, because there are teams behind us that want him. I don't think any of them have the fire power to move up to #2 or #3; but #4 or #5 starts getting more affordable.
You are assuming we are the only team that cares about RG III. What about, Miami, Seattle, et al.
Ah no, no I'm not. That is why I mentioned them!
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:13 pm
by GoSkins
SkinsJock wrote:GoSkins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:GoSkins wrote:Given the aforementioned trade for Eli, it would seem a trade for RG III means we shouldn't have to give up too much.
the common feeling is at least this year's 1st and 2nd and next years 1st PLUS ....
Where do you get that from?
there are only 2 QBs available and there are some that think that RGIII might be worth a lot
there are many here that think 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks is just the begining of what it might take to get him
do you think that giving up 4 to 5 top 50 players in the next 2 years is OK to get a QB that might be a franchise QB for years
I don't think the price will be that high; but no one really knows. I believe Shanny will get his QB this spring. And I hope it's RG III and/or Manning.
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:13 pm
by chiefhog44
Chris Luva Luva wrote:chiefhog44 wrote:Do you think the Giants are happy that they traded the following for Eli Manning to move from 4 to 1?
Swap of picks in the 1st (Manning for Rivers) and their 3rd rounder in 2004
And
1st rounder and 5th rounder in 2005
I'd say they don't even remember those picks gone...
I dont think you realize the firestorm that you've potentially just lit. LOLOLOL
To answer your question, yes.
I just extended this thread by another 25 pages
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:55 am
by SkinsJock
RGIII has been projected by many to be possibly better than Andrew Luck - the Rams know that they can get 4 - 5 top 50 players for him
HOPEFULLY we get RGIII
HOPEFULLY we don't lose 4 to 5 top 50 players to get him
THANKFULLY this FO is not that stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:31 am
by StorminMormon86
If the cost on RGIII is too high, I don't see Shanahan biting. However, isn't there still a good chance that he would fall to us at #6 anyway and it wouldn't cost us a thing?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:40 am
by SkinsJock
StorminMormon86 wrote: ... isn't there still a good chance that he would fall to us at #6 anyway and it wouldn't cost us a thing?
RGIII could fall to us at #6 AND almost certainly this FO would take him
2 things
IF this FO really, really likes RGIII they will trade up to get him - not sure if that's the best plan, long term, but I'd understand it
IF this FO does not really, really like RGIII and he's there at #6 they'll either still take him OR they'll trade the pick for a suitable ransom
HOPEFULLY - we end up with a good free agent QB and RGIII - that is a best case scenario
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:59 am
by RayNAustin
StorminMormon86 wrote:If the cost on RGIII is too high, I don't see Shanahan biting. However, isn't there still a good chance that he would fall to us at #6 anyway and it wouldn't cost us a thing?
I'll have what he's ^ having .... lol.
Both Luck and RG3 will be gone long before pick 6. Who knows, Indy might take RG3, and pick #2 will take Luck, or trade offers out the wazzoo.
READ MY LIPS ..... NYG Super Bowl Champs .... and at week 14 they were 7-7. The Redskins beat them TWICE ... convincingly.
The Redskins need a QB and a game changer receiver. Get the QB and the receiver can be had through FA .... this would put the Redskins in position to challenge for the NFC east.
The NYG just proved that a 500 team can win the Super Bowl IF they have a QB, and a good defense. We have a good defense.
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:25 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Yup.
And as I posted earlier-
Its NOT 4-5 TOP fifty player SJ.
Its our first for theirs= null
Our 2nd? Or third this year...
1 and 2or3 next year. = 3.
Of those our two this year (probable) is top 50 and our first next year is top fifty. That's TWO. Our third both years not at all our second next year also dependent on how far we can go. Pwning the gnats (SB champs) twice this year and GB last year (also that years champs) means we can contend w anyone. With RGIII we can BEAT anyone. I rest my case....
For now. Httr
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:17 pm
by SkinsJock
I don't drink that stuff
To trade up to # 2 means we'd get RGIII
we'd give up this year's 2nd pick plus next year's 1st and 2nd - I don't see these guys doing that UNLESS they really, really like him
Not doing it and trading down form the 6th pick is
ADDING the top 50 players
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:58 pm
by VRIEL1
Why we should trade down for our franchise QB....
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:53 pm
by StorminMormon86
VRIEL1 wrote:Why we should trade down for our franchise QB....
+1
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:17 pm
by DarthMonk
DarthMonk wrote:Not sure if this has been asked but ...
Does anyone currently have a worse situation than we do at QB?
NFC
East? No.
North? No.
South? No.
West? No, not even Seattle.
AFC
East? No. Jets maybe but not yet.
North? No. Browns maybe but who would you rather have - Rex or Colt?
South? Maybe Indy. Maybe the Jags.
West? No.
I say the only teams that have a worse QB situation than we are maybe Indy and the Jags. Indy solves their problem with Luck. As the 2nd pick dangles in the wind we are the team with the worst QB situation in the league.
cowboykillerzRED wrote:To the topic of why we SHOULD trade up.. I don't want to sound redundant. I post Darth posts.. and we get the same hum drum bs we need those valuable picks. We've traded picks before.... For over the hill FA NOT a franchise qb. Now is the time folks... I don't give an ish how old you are we've all waited long enough for THE GUY.
I'd trade a boatload picks players what ever, we are Snyder rich and can bring in FA that WANT to play here w a franchise qb (face of the team)
Who in the mfs is gonna be behind center if we draft a second tier qb? Rex? Who are you wanting trade down sayers? U think payton? Talk about pay day.. Oooo ooooo how bout we lure Breezy away from NO!
Facts are facts and number two over all is our BEST shot.
Unless we can get Bradford or even McCoy... Doubtful as that is... We are utterly screwed. I'm sick of this crap man B&G used to mean something. If we get another bandaid pos fa qb then shanny too has failed us.
Fingers crossed for the above photo come September.
Please reply w valid options that can open my usually optimistic mind.. ( I was a Becksy supporter in the offseason so it only takes a little fluffing) wth is gonna pass the ball bring in FAs sell tickets motivate the team and win the East?
Nice to see people coming around, huh red?
I guess a more current pic is warranted.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:20 pm
by SkinsJock
and we didn't have to give up much to get him
this guy is worth a lot more than the picks we gave
man oh man, are we ever lucky
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:32 pm
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote: Nice to see people coming around, huh red?
are you kidding me - almost everyone has been dying for this day since we made the trade
'coming around' - this is like a cult movement
the only guys that don't think RGIII is a future super star are most likely not NFL fans
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:22 pm
by Irn-Bru
Oh lord . . . this thread.
Good times.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:58 am
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:... We don't have that many holes to fill that we can't do it in one off-season any more. With the draft and free agency, I think we can fill our holes and still get more depth this year.
proof positive that you really are not in touch
I used to think that I was optimistic - you are dreaming
Hard to believe this was just a few months ago.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:24 am
by SkinsJock
We're not there yet - we are getting there
we both think the franchise is a lot better off
- I do not agree with your thinking that we 'only have a few holes to fill' and that can be done in one off-season
adding players is one thing - having them play together effectively takes more time
I'm hoping we can get into the playoffs - you're implying we are going to win the NFC East
We can win the NFC East ...... but doing it is another thing
we shall see
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:24 am
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:DarthMonk wrote: Nice to see people coming around, huh red?
are you kidding me - almost everyone has been dying for this day
since we made the trade
Yeah, but until then ... well, just look at the previous 24 pages of handwringing.
Deadman was stiff early, Skeletor, elprez19, ... a few others.
Here's a sampling just from page 1:
they are NOT trading draft picks
We aren't a QB away. That's why I'm not in favor of trading several 1st and 2nd round picks for RG3.
I think there is a better use for our 1st round pick than QB and I really do hope we trade down, acquire more picks and get a QB later who's a better fit for our offense.
I do NOT want to waste draft picks on ANYONE.
Gosh I want this to work. Seems so right to me. Seems like WE finally got that guy. I remember how pissed I was when Romo seemingly came out of nowhere - sometimes it seemed like we were the only team without a QB. But now ...
DarthMonk
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:53 am
by SkinsJock
and here we are
moving on ....
there are very few that do not think the Redskins did the right thing
we have a future great QB that we can continue to build around - he will need time and the offense will need time
this franchise has come a long way but we were in dire straits
we're getting there - I'm looking forward to this season but more to the future when we can get to be a dominant force again
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:13 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Awww the good ol days...
Funny how wrong SJs sources were a few months ago! Lmao I guess Mike didn't tell Kyle the plan for RGiii as soon as he knew.
This was a fun thread for sure..
Darth the new rgiii pic/card almost brings a tear to my eye. It happened and we WILL see the real thing in December. I feel like I was a good boy all year and Santa got me exactly what I asked for! Lmao
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:36 pm
by SkinsJock
cowboykillerzRED wrote:Awww the good ol days...
Funny how wrong SJs sources were a few months ago!
This was a fun thread for sure..
I don't have any sources - I felt at the time that we should not make a trade, because we had too many holes to fill
I changed my mind when I realized how important it was to get a QB and who was going to be available
BIG DEAL
there are many posts since then that indicate my feelings on trading up and this FO
how come those have not been brought out as well? oh, that's right. - that would not suit the agenda, would it?
I'll let those that enjoy the dark stay in the past
I'm moving on ....
oh! btw - this FO made a great move in trading up to get RGIII, just in case you missed the news
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:08 pm
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:BIG DEAL
Not going after you, bro. I have long been a "Don't trade up" guy. Someone changed my mind on this one too - way back in October. I'm just glad so many are "coming around" and I find it gratifying how quickly it happened once RGIII actually became a Redskin. He is an amazing human being. Let's hope one of the good guys can avoid some bad breaks.
Hail.
DarthMonk
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:30 pm
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote: BIG DEAL
Not going after you, bro. I have long been a "Don't trade up" guy. Someone changed my mind on this one too - way back in October. I'm just glad so many are "coming around" and I find it gratifying how quickly it happened once RGIII actually became a Redskin. He is an amazing human being. Let's hope one of the good guys can avoid some bad breaks.
Hail.
DarthMonk
no worries DM - I appreciate that
I don't remember who made me feel differently - in the early part of this year I just felt we had so many holes and we had some good draft picks last year, why not keep building through the draft
then I looked into the fact that there were 2 really good QBs and why not try and get 1 of them
QB is undeniably the biggest piece and now we have this absolute gem
I'm trying not to get too excited - I know it will take some time ...... but this kid is amazing
back at ya - Hail