Donovan McNabb a REDSKIN!!!

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Here's some glowing comments from Phil Simms:

Former NY Giants QB Phil Simms, now a game analyst for CBS, says the Redskins trade for Donovan McNabb was a “tremendous play.”

“I would think they all went into their little conference room at Redskins Park,” Simms said, “shut the door, looked at each other and started jumping up and down, high fiving, jumping around and going ‘Alright! We got him!’

Simms went on to say that McNabb shows no signs of slowing down and he thinks the Redskins will make better use of McNabb than the Eagles did because they’ll use the run more to set up the pass and because he thinks new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan is the best play-caller in the NFL.

Best Play Caller, Wow. I like them words

[SkinsJock]

this franchise has a lot of rebuilding to do but we have a much better chance of seeing a consistently competitive product on the field by having McNabb - he will provide leadership and set a tone on offense as we transition to a new offense that can score some points

Campbell was not going to help our offense in any way except now we might get a draft pick that can help our offensive line

[SKINFAN]

Moss will def. have a better year than the last few with Soup..

[Champsturf]

I just want to say that its not like our receivers are secretly Calvin Johnson, and JC made them look bad. They may improve with McNabb, but if the protection doesn't improve, and if they don't improve, its not like we have a great receiving corps. NOBODY gets away with as much on this team as they do. Nobody asks them to prove anything, and nobody is brought in to push them for playing time either. I would move next year's first for Marshall just to see what we have. It may be interesting to bring T.O. in on the cheap and see if they can beat him out.

With no time for JC to throw. How can you blame that on the receivers. The truth is we wont know how good the receivers are until we get a decent Oline to give the receivers time to get open. Mcnabb should be able to deliver the ball to our receivers and we will see if they can get open or catch the ball.

Well if we can blame no time on the qb, why not the receivers too? Why don't we just keep playing the blame game without ever addressing the line? Maybe McNabb can get in on the action next year, and CP, and LJ, and fast willie.

Some QBs can make a bad line look good (exhibit 1 - P Manning, exhibit 2 - K Warner), unfortunately McNabb isn't one of them. He doesn't have the knack of making a bad line look horrendous that JC does, but McNabb will get sack often.

But what McNabb does know how to do is make below average WR (Pinkston, Thrash, Freddie Mitchell) look good. I expect Thomas and Kelley to have their best years by far and Moss to have a (Desean who? type season)

By the way if McNabb, Moss, and Calvin Johnson all stay healthy I guarantee Moss will have a better season than Johnson!

I'll take that bet

You think McNabb to Moss is a better deal than Stafford to Johnson? Johnson is a freak of nature, and he's actually got a QB, now with a year under hsi belt. Watch out for Detriot this year. They've been aggressive in FA and they will be better, especially with Stafford gaining experience.

Shoot, I'd take Grossman to Calvin over McNabb to Moss

Me too...Let's get rid of Grossman! What kind of post was that? I didn't know that Grossman could even be throwing to Johnson...Way to live in fantasy land.

[Champsturf]

I should've preficed that post to that say this was the first post I've made after reading every page of this thread. There are some of us happy for the move and some of us against the move. This was the first post that I saw that was just flat-out retarded. I had to comment.

[brad7686]

All I was really saying is that Calvin Johnson is better than Santana Moss. That's retarded how? If you're saying I'm incorrect, then I would say it is you who is being retarded.

[HEROHAMO]

I love mighty Moss. But, he is not going to have a better season then Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson is bigger, just as fast and is the main target in Detroit.

This season Mcnabb will likely target the Tight ends or whoever else may be open. Santana will draw under and over the top coverage most of the time. He will likely be used as a deep threat and to draw double teams. Allowing our tight ends and other receivers to exploit openings in the defense. When Moss will be targeted will be when he is covered one on one. Which is not very often. Moss is not known to go over the middle or as a possession receiver. Most of Santanas catches will be bombs.

I am hopeful that Kelly and Thomas will blossom this season. I am more then confident in ey and Davis.

[Chris Luva Luva]

When Moss will be targeted will be when he is covered one on one. Which is not very often. Moss is not known to go over the middle or as a possession receiver. Most of Santanas catches will be bombs.

He's not open often and that's the fault of the coaches AND JASON CAMPBELL.

It's not hard to get Moss open... How is that possible arm chair QB CLL? Easy!! THROW TO SOMEONE ELSE CONSISTENTLY. Everyone can't be doubled. Make them pay with Devon, make them pay with Malcom and the TE's.

Who is really going to ignore S. Moss and double ARE? Nobody.

McNabb has the accuracy that JC never has had, those 1-1 matchups will get used and force defenses to be honest and NOT double Moss for an ENTIRE game without consequence.

[HEROHAMO]

When Moss will be targeted will be when he is covered one on one. Which is not very often. Moss is not known to go over the middle or as a possession receiver. Most of Santanas catches will be bombs.

He's not open often and that's the fault of the coaches AND JASON CAMPBELL.

It's not hard to get Moss open... How is that possible arm chair QB CLL? Easy!! THROW TO SOMEONE ELSE CONSISTENTLY. Everyone can't be doubled. Make them pay with Devon, make them pay with Malcom and the TE's.

Who is really going to ignore S. Moss and double ARE? Nobody.

McNabb has the accuracy that JC never has had, those 1-1 matchups will get used and force defenses to be honest and NOT double Moss for an ENTIRE game without consequence.

True, well it will depend on who we play and game plan the opposing defense has going.

The Cowboys actually have two pretty good corners. I hate to say that but it is true. Newman will man up on Moss. Mike Jenkins will get the no.2 Kelly/Thomas. So I like the matchups of ey/Davis vs the Crapboys linebackers and safties. Thats if we have a tackle who can block Ware.

The Eagles have one good corner I think in Asante. He will likely shadow Moss as well. Again I like ey/Davis vs the Smegols linebackers and safeties. Also Thomas/Kelly should be able to get in a good game.

The Giants in my opinion have underrated corners. They also have a good young safety in Phillips. Moss should have a good game against the Giants corners. The main thing against the Giants is blocking the front four. I think the Giants got weaker in the linebacker corps. So again ey/Davis looks strong again. If they decide to have Phillips man up on ey/Davis that should leave Moss one on one. If they decide to have Phillips over the top on Moss that should bode well for ey/Davis.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Exactly, Moss will still get eyed but he won't dissapear for 6 games at a time like he used to. He's out there doing what he's told to do and Jason had 2 problems when it came to Moss.

1. Jason didn't have the GONADS to chuck it, he often second guessed and double clutched giving defenders time to recover.

2. Jason couldn't hit him in stride, causing Moss to have to slow down.

There were other reasons why the connection failed but those 2 fall on Jason.

[SkinsJock]

I cannot believe that there might be fans who think we would be better off if we had not made this trade.

I can understand the thought process that includes the fact that we gave up a 2 this year and possibly a 3 next year ... the fact remains that we have a much better QB who is also going to lead the franchise and I would say that the 'cost' was not too much at all

I really think that the only thing the fans who think it was not worth it, is to ask themselves "would we rather continue with Campbell and have those picks?" if the answer is 'yes' then I think you have very little idea of how much change is required here and how lucky we are in having a leader like McNabb come here and help through that transition

Campbell was and is not capable of being a good leader here and I have serious doubts that he's ever going to be a good starting QB - he might be an OK back-up but I hope we don't find that out here because we need the 4th or 5th round pick (a 3 would be fantastic) more than we need a QB like Campbell

as far as Stafford and Johnson's game or performance is concerned, who really cares? - Stafford is looking like he's going to be a really good QB and Johnson is looking like he's going to be a really good WR - that's great! - neither one is going to be a part of our team, as far as I can see


McNabb is going to make our whole offense better, not just the receivers, EVERYONE - it would be great if we could get a great offensive line and it would be great if we could get a true #1 wideout so Moss could play the slot position but the fact reamains with NO changes to anything except at QB we are really a much improved offense - Campbell was not capable of helping the offense and I don't think that is going to change - do you really want to take the chance? I think you have more chance of winning Powerball - ain't happening

this is really simple - we all think (well most of us) that the offensive line will be improved and the offensive game planning and offensive play calling will be better
with all of that, whom would you rather have leading the offense (AND the franchise) McNabb or Campbell?

ALL it cost was a 2nd round pick this year and what almost certainly is a 3rd round pick next year

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I cannot believe that there might be fans who think we would be better off if we had not made this trade

If you look at players as screwdrivers and building a team like making a model plane then it makes perfect sense why they think that. They don't understand players develop into better players. They think that a player is born as good as when he's drafted as when he retires not understanding that players need to develop skills. A player is like a screw driver, it is what it is.

And they don't understand that teams need to develop into teams. They don't need a quarterback to develop the rest of the team, they just need to find the right parts and put them together. So when you bring on a guy like McNabb who isn't the ultimate part for the model, it's a waste of time that accomplishes nothing.

You don't think that because you realize the premises they assume to be truth are crap. But that's why they think it, they don't grasp developing players or building teams. They just think they are building a model airplane, not a football team.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Surrounding McRibb with an ACTUAL RUNNING GAME and a GOOD PLAYER CALLER, neither of which he had in Philly will do wonders for his game.

Let's not mention that our WR corps potentially is more talented than what he had in Philly.

[brad7686]

Exactly, Moss will still get eyed but he won't dissapear for 6 games at a time like he used to. He's out there doing what he's told to do and Jason had 2 problems when it came to Moss.

1. Jason didn't have the GONADS to chuck it, he often second guessed and double clutched giving defenders time to recover.

2. Jason couldn't hit him in stride, causing Moss to have to slow down.

There were other reasons why the connection failed but those 2 fall on Jason.

Also, Moss has lost a step and he can't catch.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Exactly, Moss will still get eyed but he won't dissapear for 6 games at a time like he used to. He's out there doing what he's told to do and Jason had 2 problems when it came to Moss.

1. Jason didn't have the GONADS to chuck it, he often second guessed and double clutched giving defenders time to recover.

2. Jason couldn't hit him in stride, causing Moss to have to slow down.

There were other reasons why the connection failed but those 2 fall on Jason.

Also, Moss has lost a step and he can't catch.

And that sir is hyperbole and will not be considered as a legitimate reply and thus will be ignored.

[brad7686]

I cannot believe that there might be fans who think we would be better off if we had not made this trade

If you look at players as screwdrivers and building a team like making a model plane then it makes perfect sense why they think that. They don't understand players develop into better players. They think that a player is born as good as when he's drafted as when he retires not understanding that players need to develop skills. A player is like a screw driver, it is what it is.

And they don't understand that teams need to develop into teams. They don't need a quarterback to develop the rest of the team, they just need to find the right parts and put them together. So when you bring on a guy like McNabb who isn't the ultimate part for the model, it's a waste of time that accomplishes nothing.

You don't think that because you realize the premises they assume to be truth are crap. But that's why they think it, they don't grasp developing players or building teams. They just think they are building a model airplane, not a football team.

Well you look at Minnesota, they were smart enough to actually build a team before they made a move for an old quarterback. And they were the best team in football, who got outlucked by the saints, like we did, but they have a strong, young core. We have crap. McNabb will help, but he will be lucky if he is still good by the time we can compete.

[brad7686]

Exactly, Moss will still get eyed but he won't dissapear for 6 games at a time like he used to. He's out there doing what he's told to do and Jason had 2 problems when it came to Moss.

1. Jason didn't have the GONADS to chuck it, he often second guessed and double clutched giving defenders time to recover.

2. Jason couldn't hit him in stride, causing Moss to have to slow down.

There were other reasons why the connection failed but those 2 fall on Jason.

Also, Moss has lost a step and he can't catch.

And that sir is hyperbole and will not be considered as a legitimate reply and thus will be ignored.

Um, no its not. You can add to the list that he was often double covered and nobody else beat single coverage, except Davis.

[SKINFAN]

Exactly, Moss will still get eyed but he won't dissapear for 6 games at a time like he used to. He's out there doing what he's told to do and Jason had 2 problems when it came to Moss.

1. Jason didn't have the GONADS to chuck it, he often second guessed and double clutched giving defenders time to recover.

2. Jason couldn't hit him in stride, causing Moss to have to slow down.

There were other reasons why the connection failed but those 2 fall on Jason.

I agree, if the Qb and Wr have trust in each other, 1 on 1 is a viable throw, we see this a lot with Peyton and reggie wayne, drew Brees and Colston. The reciever just needs to know where the QB will throw it. With soup throwing it (if he does) even he doesn't know where it's going.

[brad7686]

There is so much Moss love on this board, I don't get it. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Lets do a pros/cons list on Moss

Pros:
He's fast
He occasionally runs a good route

Cons:
Gets muscled out of many routes
Never makes tough catches
Drops many routine balls
Can't win a jump ball
Is declining
Is generally soft, the g-men prevent him from even travelling 5 yards. Then he throws a hissy fit and punches people in the helmet. How are you gonna hit a 5 yard bomb?

[Chris Luva Luva]

Can't win a jump ball

The fact that you would post that further shows me that it's pointless to even discuss S. Moss and how he has been used with you.

Aside from that, keep this on topic, open a S. Moss thread. If you want to discuss how McNabb will help bring Moss back to the forefront, that's fine.

[SKINFAN]

it's not about love I don't think. I think it's more like what happened? He was a good enough to be named #1 with old noodle arms brunnel throwing to him then soup came in and he disappeared. It would've been different if another reciever was producing but our TE was more effective than any of our WR.... So I will give him the same courtesy we extended to Soup. Let him play a year or two with a real QB, not one that just plays one on TV. =)

[brad7686]

it's not about love I don't think. I think it's more like what happened? He was a good enough to be named #1 with old noodle arms brunnel throwing to him then soup came in and he disappeared. It would've been different if another reciever was producing but our TE was more effective than any of our WR.... So I will give him the same courtesy we extended to Soup. Let him play a year or two with a real QB, not one that just plays one on TV. =)

Possibly. I'll be curious to see when he drops everything thrown his way this season whether they blame it on him or McNabb. They really need to get the other guys going this year, because Moss is at best a complimentary piece. He's not a #1.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Well you look at Minnesota, they were smart enough to actually build a team before they made a move for an old quarterback. And they were the best team in football, who got outlucked by the saints, like we did, but they have a strong, young core. We have crap. McNabb will help, but he will be lucky if he is still good by the time we can compete.

Wow, a different scenario that has nothing to do with our situation. Thanks for that insight!

[KazooSkinsFan]

Also, Moss has lost a step and he can't catch.

You have no idea what you're talking about. McNabb is going to be fantastic for Moss. Moss is going to have a monster year. What kind of QB was JC?

1) Dump offs
2) Deep lasers with no loft

So you take a short speedster and he gets killed going over the middle and the bullet deep balls go over his head. JC is the worst possible quarterback for him. Throwing catchable balls to a guy who runs like the wind running routes he should be running is going to be fantastic. As for that he can't catch, I expect that from a Cowboy fan not a Skins fan. Yes, he drops some passes, but it's just a preposterous statement to say he can't catch when he's been the only deep threat we've had for years and has been so good when catchable deep balls are actually thrown. Which with JC has been with the consistency of thunderstorms in Death Valley.

[brad7686]

Also, Moss has lost a step and he can't catch.

You have no idea what you're talking about. McNabb is going to be fantastic for Moss. Moss is going to have a monster year. What kind of QB was JC?

1) Dump offs
2) Deep lasers with no loft

So you take a short speedster and he gets killed going over the middle and the bullet deep balls go over his head. JC is the worst possible quarterback for him. Throwing catchable balls to a guy who runs like the wind running routes he should be running is going to be fantastic. As for that he can't catch, I expect that from a Cowboy fan not a Skins fan. Yes, he drops some passes, but it's just a preposterous statement to say he can't catch when he's been the only deep threat we've had for years and has been so good when catchable deep balls are actually thrown. Which with JC has been with the consistency of thunderstorms in Death Valley.

I can't argue with the fact that someone putting arc on the deep ball will help him, that's obvious. But, that really has nothing to do with the fact that he's getting older and drops everything. People keep arguing that as if they've never watched a redskins game. Or else they are blaming it on campbell. Oh, Campbell threw it so Moss had to reach for it, its all his fault. There's a reason JC was more apt to throw to TE's in tight situations, because nobody else can catch.