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PulpExposure wrote:
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welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."


:lol: That... is pretty damn funny.
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SkinsFreak wrote:Agreed, and that's the point I'm making about JC lacking the stones to throw it when and where he should.


And I agree 100% The JC defense force would have you believe that he's under pressure every snap of the game and that's simply not true. The issue that I and many others have is that when he DOES have time he's not doing anything to propel the team forward.

I love him as a person and I think that this franchise has ruined another player due to its lack of stability and ability to grow talent. The guy is confused, always having to learn and not react, the protection, lack of WR talent and to top it all off, his mechanics just compound the issues.

Sure, we can fix the o-line, the WR's and everything else but is Jason going to be able to recover from coaching carousel? Will Jason be able to be good enough to take this team to elite status once that pieces are in place? Will his mechanics keep him at mediocre status?

Those answers will take at least another 2 years to answer and we're going to have to sign him or let him go by that time....
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frankcal20 wrote:This thread is ridiculous. Give the guy some time. Seriously! He just got this offense....again and you are ready to hang him. Some of our fans are just plain ignorant and don't know enough about the game but think they do. This is not directed at one person but just overall.

Most on here said that they would be happy with 8-8 at the end of the season. Just b/c we won a few games in the beginning of the season and then hit the wall, which most teams do, now they want to blow everything up.

Just plain dumb.


No, they want to blow the QB up. They are perfectly fine with WR's that catch one out of every two balls that are in their hands and can no longer get open deep. They also don't care that the pass blocking makes FEMA look like a strong line of defense.

obviously you didn't read my post
No o-line, no receivers, they said the same thing last year, but Collins comes in and we go 4-0. WE fix the qb than the o-line and wr problems will vastly deter. These problems are a reflection of JC uncanny ability to make players around him look wrose than they really are. ARE and Hines Ward won the superbowl together. That wr core together is no better than Moss plus ARE, so guess what the wr's are not the problem.
LAST YEAR SHOWED WHILE YOU MAY NOT THINK COLLINS IS THE SOLUTION, THAT CAMPBELL WAS CLEARLY THE PROBLEM AND HE NEEDS TO GO.


The Collins situation is all you people have. He looked real good slingin ducks around against seattle in the playoffs. Just because people say we have a bad O-line and bad receivers it doesn't have to be to defend Campbell. I don't use that statement as a defense, its a truth. We have a bad O-line and bad receivers and that can't be argued the other way. ARE was also useless in Pittsburgh. If you notice, the reason the steelers win games is THEY HAVE THE BEST DEFENSE. ARE never had more than like 500 yards receiving in Pittsburgh. Its obvious he can't get open deep, and he should because they double cover moss every time he goes down the field.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:I love him as a person and I think that this franchise has ruined another player due to its lack of stability and ability to grow talent. The guy is confused, always having to learn and not react, the protection, lack of WR talent and to top it all off, his mechanics just compound the issues.

Sure, we can fix the o-line, the WR's and everything else but is Jason going to be able to recover from coaching carousel? Will Jason be able to be good enough to take this team to elite status once that pieces are in place? Will his mechanics keep him at mediocre status?


Zorn has improved his mechanics, but he hasn't done much at the tail end of this year to show that he's a much better QB than he was.

As Skins posted earlier...you run an open QB competition, and let the best man win. It's not inconceivable that Campbell will get better with the offense, and feel more confident (i.e., take more shots downfield) once he spends more than 1 year starting in the same system.

It's also not inconceivable that Brennan fits the system better than Campbell and wins the job.
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brad7686 wrote:The Collins situation is all you people have. He looked real good slingin ducks around against seattle in the playoffs. Just because people say we have a bad O-line and bad receivers it doesn't have to be to defend Campbell. I don't use that statement as a defense, its a truth. We have a bad O-line and bad receivers and that can't be argued the other way.


So that 4 game winning streak was a fluke? Todd showed the fans what the team/offense was capable of with a competent QB. If we could have protected Todd he would have done fine against SEA.

If Joe hadn't left, there would have been an open competition at this past training camp.

Todd made it work with the WR's and O-line that last year we attributed to Jasons failures... They're just excuses. It's the same thing again this year and I realize that those issues are legit but they aren't going to make Jason a better QB.

When Jason has time he doesn't do anything special with the ball. And that deep ball that people love to say that he has... It's useless and ineffective, he has no accuracy with it. He has the arm to get it out there but he can never land it in the break basket.
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PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."

He has done far more damage to our organization than any of those Qb's that you have just named. Yes he is the wrost Qb we have had based on the damage done to our organization since Heath Shuler.
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John Manfreda wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."

He has done far more damage to our organization than any of those Qb's that you have just named. Yes he is the wrost Qb we have had based on the damage done to our organization since Heath Shuler.


Damage done to our organization? What are you talking about? Do you honestly think this would have been a Super Bowl team (or has been) last year or this year if Todd Collins or Colt Brennan was the QB?

Last time I checked, it was not Jason Campbell, but Todd Collins who blew up in the playoff game against Seattle. And do you think, for one second, that this offense is only missing a QB? The line and receivers are otherwise just fine?

You may have just outdone your last comment.
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brad7686 wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:This thread is ridiculous. Give the guy some time. Seriously! He just got this offense....again and you are ready to hang him. Some of our fans are just plain ignorant and don't know enough about the game but think they do. This is not directed at one person but just overall.

Most on here said that they would be happy with 8-8 at the end of the season. Just b/c we won a few games in the beginning of the season and then hit the wall, which most teams do, now they want to blow everything up.

Just plain dumb.


No, they want to blow the QB up. They are perfectly fine with WR's that catch one out of every two balls that are in their hands and can no longer get open deep. They also don't care that the pass blocking makes FEMA look like a strong line of defense.

obviously you didn't read my post
No o-line, no receivers, they said the same thing last year, but Collins comes in and we go 4-0. WE fix the qb than the o-line and wr problems will vastly deter. These problems are a reflection of JC uncanny ability to make players around him look wrose than they really are. ARE and Hines Ward won the superbowl together. That wr core together is no better than Moss plus ARE, so guess what the wr's are not the problem.
LAST YEAR SHOWED WHILE YOU MAY NOT THINK COLLINS IS THE SOLUTION, THAT CAMPBELL WAS CLEARLY THE PROBLEM AND HE NEEDS TO GO.


The Collins situation is all you people have. He looked real good slingin ducks around against seattle in the playoffs. Just because people say we have a bad O-line and bad receivers it doesn't have to be to defend Campbell. I don't use that statement as a defense, its a truth. We have a bad O-line and bad receivers and that can't be argued the other way. ARE was also useless in Pittsburgh. If you notice, the reason the steelers win games is THEY HAVE THE BEST

Besides the fact they went 4-0, quit distorting one game, and stick to the facts. Our Wr's drastically stepped up there play when JC was gone. JC is making these players look wrose than they really are. ARE was useless in Pitt. the STeelers fans that watch all there games don't agree with you at all. This shows that your not telling the truth and need to accpet the fact that JC does not have it anymore and we need to trade him and get something for him. He sucks, he is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.
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PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."

He has done far more damage to our organization than any of those Qb's that you have just named. Yes he is the wrost Qb we have had based on the damage done to our organization since Heath Shuler.


Damage done to our organization? What are you talking about? Do you honestly think this would have been a Super Bowl team (or has been) last year or this year if Todd Collins or Colt Brennan was the QB?

Last time I checked, it was not Jason Campbell, but Todd Collins who blew up in the playoff game against Seattle. And do you think, for one second, that this offense is only missing a QB? The line and receivers are otherwise just fine?

You may have just outdone your last comment.

JC has pissed away two season were if we had a decent Qb we would have made the playoffs this year. Last year we may have won the division if we started Collins. Yes we went 4-0 after Campbell's injury he has done plenty of damage to this organization. So yes he is the wrost. You may not like to hear this but its the truth.
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PulpExposure wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I love him as a person and I think that this franchise has ruined another player due to its lack of stability and ability to grow talent. The guy is confused, always having to learn and not react, the protection, lack of WR talent and to top it all off, his mechanics just compound the issues.

Sure, we can fix the o-line, the WR's and everything else but is Jason going to be able to recover from coaching carousel? Will Jason be able to be good enough to take this team to elite status once that pieces are in place? Will his mechanics keep him at mediocre status?


Zorn has improved his mechanics, but he hasn't done much at the tail end of this year to show that he's a much better QB than he was.

As Skins posted earlier...you run an open QB competition, and let the best man win. It's not inconceivable that Campbell will get better with the offense, and feel more confident (i.e., take more shots downfield) once he spends more than 1 year starting in the same system.

It's also not inconceivable that Brennan fits the system better than Campbell and wins the job.


Yep, that's right.

I'm just confused as to why JC has struggled as of late. At the midway point of the season, JC was doing very well and many expert analysts, such as Ron Jaworski, were naming JC the mid-season MVP. What happened? Don't know, but it ain't all JC's fault, as some would suggest around here. I just think he's struggling with his confidence and needs to grow a set of stones. Maybe Zorn is too hard on the guy, as Zorn suggested a few weeks ago. But there's nothing wrong with an open QB competition in the offseason.
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John Manfreda wrote:JC has pissed away two season were if we had a decent Qb we would have made the playoffs this year. Last year we may have won the division if we started Collins. Yes we went 4-0 after Campbell's injury he has done plenty of damage to this organization. So yes he is the wrost. You may not like to hear this but its the truth.


Lol. Ridiculous.

It's the truth, and he's the worst, because "we may have" or "we would have"? It's an opinion, and not a very good one at that. Not the truth.

And you're blaming him for all the losses; that is, he is the sole reason why we've lost to Pittsburgh, the Giants, etc.? Do you honestly think he was the sole reason we lost games? Can you point to one game where he was the absolute only reason we lost?

Or is it just more useless hyperbole out of you?
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PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."

He has done far more damage to our organization than any of those Qb's that you have just named. Yes he is the wrost Qb we have had based on the damage done to our organization since Heath Shuler.


Damage done to our organization? What are you talking about? Do you honestly think this would have been a Super Bowl team (or has been) last year or this year if Todd Collins or Colt Brennan was the QB?

Last time I checked, it was not Jason Campbell, but Todd Collins who blew up in the playoff game against Seattle. And do you think, for one second, that this offense is only missing a QB? The line and receivers are otherwise just fine?

You may have just outdone your last comment.

There not fine, but they play well enough for a Qb to prosper. Seattle is a very tough place to play, not this year but in recent past it was. If we started Collins the whole time we would have had a home playoff game which would have really helped us. JC sucks face the facts and he needs to go. During the regular season look at Colins Qb rating last year if you don't think they play well enough for a Qb to prosper. You say one thing but unfortunatly the stats don't support your arguments. For once base ideas off the facts and not some dream world idiotic way of thinking.
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PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."

He has done far more damage to our organization than any of those Qb's that you have just named. Yes he is the wrost Qb we have had based on the damage done to our organization since Heath Shuler.


Damage done to our organization? What are you talking about? Do you honestly think this would have been a Super Bowl team (or has been) last year or this year if Todd Collins or Colt Brennan was the QB?

Last time I checked, it was not Jason Campbell, but Todd Collins who blew up in the playoff game against Seattle. And do you think, for one second, that this offense is only missing a QB? The line and receivers are otherwise just fine?

You may have just outdone your last comment.


Dude, why even waste your time. :lol:

You're trying to have a rational debate with John Manfreda? :shock: :lol:
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SkinsFreak wrote:Dude, why even waste your time. :lol:

You're trying to have a rational debate with John Manfreda? :shock: :lol:


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PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:JC has pissed away two season were if we had a decent Qb we would have made the playoffs this year. Last year we may have won the division if we started Collins. Yes we went 4-0 after Campbell's injury he has done plenty of damage to this organization. So yes he is the wrost. You may not like to hear this but its the truth.


Lol. Ridiculous.

It's the truth, and he's the worst, because "we may have" or "we would have"? It's an opinion, and not a very good one at that. Not the truth.

And you're blaming him for all the losses; that is, he is the sole reason why we've lost to Pittsburgh, the Giants, etc.? Do you honestly think he was the sole reason we lost games? Can you point to one game where he was the absolute only reason we lost?

Or is it just more useless hyperbole out of you?

With a different Qb we could have beaten Cincinati and Dallas and that would have us control our own destiny, and yes we would have made the playoffs, once again your ignoring the facts. Those are two games off the top of my head, I am sure there more the wonderful JC cost us if I looked back at our schedule.
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SkinsFreak wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
welch wrote:I saw an OL with holes, and no WR's.

Fix the OL. If the receivers can't get open and can't hold the ball, at least we can smash people.

Campbell looks OK. He's not Sonny, and not Joe T, but maybe he's a nimble Rypien. What if Rypien had had no Posse and no Hogs?



Man, I'll tell you that the staff here at THN sure LOVES JC. All in all, I am not looking for an "OK" QB. I want a solid one that can orchestrate an offense that can produce more than 10 points per game.

JC is no Rypien, though.

calling JC an okay Qb is overstatement, he is horrible. He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler.


Lol. Really? Worse than Rodney Peete when he was here? Worse than Todd Husak? Worse than Kent Graham, Tony Banks, and Jeff George? Worse than Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffle, and Gibran Hamden? Worse than Tim Hasselbeck and Rob Johnson?

You can say he's not the answer, and not a good QB. And that's your opinion.

But to say "He is the wrost Qb we have had since Heath Shuler" when you look at who has played QB for us since then, is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards. The idiocy of that statement is just hilariously compounded with your misspelling of "worst."

He has done far more damage to our organization than any of those Qb's that you have just named. Yes he is the wrost Qb we have had based on the damage done to our organization since Heath Shuler.


Damage done to our organization? What are you talking about? Do you honestly think this would have been a Super Bowl team (or has been) last year or this year if Todd Collins or Colt Brennan was the QB?

Last time I checked, it was not Jason Campbell, but Todd Collins who blew up in the playoff game against Seattle. And do you think, for one second, that this offense is only missing a QB? The line and receivers are otherwise just fine?

You may have just outdone your last comment.


Dude, why even waste your time. :lol:

You're trying to have a rational debate with John Manfreda? :shock: :lol:

No its more like don't waste your time because John is beating you with the facts. John uses facts to back up his assements, while we just use dream world theories that don't work out in real life.
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John Manfreda wrote:once again your ignoring the facts.


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SkinsFreak wrote:COLLINS IS OUR SAVIOUR!!!! :rock:

He is better than Campbell and he is proved it on the field.
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SkinsFreak wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:once again your ignoring the facts.


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What are you ten? Your resulting to childish name calling because you know I have you nailed and you can't defend Campbell anymore because he sucks. I am going to head out, when you guys are resulting to this, and saying Todd Collins is our saviour, than it shows that you can't back up any assessment with facts, and that it shows you all are wrong and, idiotic with dumb theories that just don't workout in reality.
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John Manfreda wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:once again your ignoring the facts.


ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO

What are you ten? Your resulting to childish name calling because you know I have you nailed and you can't defend Campbell anymore because he sucks. I am going to head out, when you guys are resulting to this, and saying Todd Collins is our saviour, than it shows that you can't back up any assessment with facts, and that it shows you all are wrong and, idiotic with dumb theories that just don't workout in reality.


He's laughing because it's worthless to argue with you. Are you honestly saying that 4 games with Todd Collins at QB, in Saunder's system (a system he lived and breathed for 10 years), can be equated, at all, to performance in a brand new system that's completely different?

How do you know Todd Collins would work well in this system? Is your evidence his tremendous performance in preseason? Or the multiple accounts of him struggling with the offense in training camp? Or his excellent history as an NFL quarterback in general (the last time Todd started over 3 games was 1997...when he posted a stellar 69.5 QB rating)?

Again, what's your evidence that he would succeed in Zorn's offense? That he did well in a completely unrelated offense last year?
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John Manfreda wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:COLLINS IS OUR SAVIOUR!!!! :rock:

He is better than Campbell and he is proved it on the field.

Just not in ANY offense that isn't authored by Al Saunders. Not once. Not ever.
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John Manfreda wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:once again your ignoring the facts.


ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO

What are you ten? Your resulting to childish name calling because you know I have you nailed and you can't defend Campbell anymore because he sucks. I am going to head out, when you guys are resulting to this, and saying Todd Collins is our saviour, than it shows that you can't back up any assessment with facts, and that it shows you all are wrong and, idiotic with dumb theories that just don't workout in reality.


So, once again, as it's been pointed out NUMEROUS times...just b/c TC won four games and then blew it in the playoffs, he's the savior? The FACT is that he was in that last system 10 years. This is new, just like it is for JC and Colt. There's no way you can guarantee that Collins would have done better? Your fact is starting four whole games in a 10 year sample period? You're telling me that you know better than countless HC/FO/Team Pres/hundred of scouts? Is that REALLY what you're saying?
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RedskinsFreak wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:COLLINS IS OUR SAVIOUR!!!! :rock:

He is better than Campbell and he is proved it on the field.

Just not in ANY offense that isn't authored by Al Saunders. Not once. Not ever.


Lets be honest here. JC has not proven that he is a good QB at all, not once, not ever. He has placed together a span of 3 good consecutive games in his 34 game career.

In Collins' 4 game starting career (5 if you include the playoff game he lead us to), he had 4 good games in a row. That is one more than JC had.

Face it, JC just doesn't learn offenses and this is further hurt by his slow release and poor decision making.

The funniest thing I see is that the entire staff loves to support a QB that has put up horrendous numbers his entire career. Do you truly believe JC is a good starting QB? If so, can I please have what you are having.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:once again your ignoring the facts.


ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO

What are you ten? Your resulting to childish name calling because you know I have you nailed and you can't defend Campbell anymore because he sucks. I am going to head out, when you guys are resulting to this, and saying Todd Collins is our saviour, than it shows that you can't back up any assessment with facts, and that it shows you all are wrong and, idiotic with dumb theories that just don't workout in reality.


So, once again, as it's been pointed out NUMEROUS times...just b/c TC won four games and then blew it in the playoffs, he's the savior? The FACT is that he was in that last system 10 years. This is new, just like it is for JC and Colt. There's no way you can guarantee that Collins would have done better? Your fact is starting four whole games in a 10 year sample period? You're telling me that you know better than countless HC/FO/Team Pres/hundred of scouts? Is that REALLY what you're saying?


I don't think TC is the saviour for THIS offense.

But TC did show that our offensive line and WR's are better than they appear to be while under Jason's command. To me, thats undeniable.

I find it funny that for Jason, we blame the line, the coaches, the wr's, the refs, the wind, gravity, magnetism, solar flares and knomes on his issues. But when it comes to that SEA game, Todd just blew it? C'mon now.... U know he didn't just blow that on his own. I'd give that crown to garbage man Swishy. :lol:
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