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Fwiw I do read all the articles that have you oh so loving Mooreland, I read every "Redskins news" update every day really. I get the high esteem for the kid... And Id love for gim to be better then JNo and save us soke money man I would... Just sayin that June is June.

I also said fighting for 'slot duties' not lucky to make the practice squad. At this point he is shining if he keeps it going I could see him challenging Adonis Stroland etc for back up role and some slot action. Dunny and Jno are cleary betger then him.

Very much so like Haskins... If this kids raw talent out shines all, but he lacks some consistency- do we start them out the gate and deal with the misques since the glaring talent will help make up for it?? Real question

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Bet you cant guess whos number 1!??

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Lol you crack me up

Haskins is the most talented qb on roster.

Keenum will start most likely due to his experience making the new O easier to learn and more consistent on field. We have a poll man, most agreed he'd start at some point after game 6 or what ever... I just told you I hope we have the Mohmes luxury of waiting- we shall see.

Mooreland isn't even top 3 cb man, sorry. He has ball hawking skills but also has been burnt. He is playing mainly with the 2s and 3s and not in pads. I have as much hope as you that he is a pro bowler- just temper my expectations in June where the qbs have a *sh$t* oline and are having to gid rid of the ball early since our dline is savage af.. That helps all the dbs, but good for him. When pads are on, then we can judge better is alls im saying. We can bet money once we see how these guys perform when isht is real lol

What makes you say he isn't top 3. Is that your opinion? He is the only one not playing in pads? Been burnt a few times? Like Norman hasn't??? And I crack you up? I know why you say that about Moreland because he was drafted in the last round. That's the only reason you say that. Teams threw all over Norman at will. Thinking Norman is so much better than Moreland or Dunny is just crazy. They were picking on Norman as bad as he was playing making billions of dollars. I mean trillions. I know what i see on the field. He is one holding penalty after another. When he gets away with holding is when he does pretty well. He was once pretty good but if he is our number 1 we have problems. Maybe a steady pass rush will keep other teams from picking on him from here out.

No need to make excuses for Moreland picking off Haskins and Keenum even though he is playing with the 2 and 3s ?? QBs don't have to get rid of the ball early because of some default chitty O-Line. He could just throw it way or scamper for a first down or probably just find the open receiver. The excuses don't get it.
So is Moreland playing with the great number 1s on the defensive line or the 2 and 3s?

The poll means nothing because you said he would start immediately. That's what you said originally. But that is the least of all this


If you ask star Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas why that happened, he'll tell you that it's because Michael Thomas was burning Norman on every play, even when he wasn't getting the ball.

Norman hasn't necessarily been elite this season (he has allowed 10 catches for 149 yards and two touchdowns on 15 throws in his direction, according to Sports Info Solutions), but it's not like he has been getting consistently torched, either.

Sounds like other players know the deal with Norman. I guess he doesn't always get torched.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:https://riggosrag.com/2019/06/07/redski ... ves/amp/2/

Bet you cant guess whos number 1!??

How about that Moreland?

"making waves" is just exceeding expectations.
Easier for a late pick to make waves.
I'm more impressed by Sweat being 2 in that list

ferryrich wrote:"making waves" is just exceeding expectations.
Easier for a late pick to make waves.
I'm more impressed by Sweat being 2 in that list

Because Sweat is a beast. And so is Moreland. But that's what you meant.

I'll bet a dollar Moreland is better than Norman right now. Hell Ii'll make it a buck fifty. Watch out there goes Moreland with another pick 6

Don't know if I ever said this but here goes.. Sonny Jurgensen is the best damn QB ever. Ever! G@$ Da*#^ !!!

ferryrich wrote:"making waves" is just exceeding expectations.
Easier for a late pick to make waves.
I'm more impressed by Sweat being 2 in that list

Man o man... Talk about a bonefied day one starting top tier talent!! This kid is JJ Watt esque... Maybe more athletic though??? No doubt about him starting- and what a steal so late in the first round! Id be surprised if WE didnt leak the whole heart condition story! LMMFAO

Kid is a MONSTER, and easily a top 10 player in the draft before that story broke... Then got debunked.

Sonny9TD wrote:I'll bet a dollar Moreland is better than Norman right now. Hell Ii'll make it a buck fifty. Watch out there goes Moreland with another pick 6

Don't know if I ever said this but here goes.. Sonny Jurgensen is the best damn QB ever. Ever! G@$ Da*#^ !!!

By your count thats 3 pick sixes?

I think its 1... Vs a non tackling Offense nonetheless.

Do you even read the articles? "..and get ready to hear redskins nation lose their minds for a roster hopeful. 7th rounder Jimmy Moreland had 3 picks today making him the bonefied OTA hype machine. With definitive ball skills his lack of size and doesnt seem to have the same 4.4 speed in coverage will be an issue vs NFL recievers- especially the bigger ones. Not a great tackler but wraps up well can take poor angles when in pursuit. With a crowded db room he will have to show much more once the pads are on and the ability to play on special teams would help. If he makes the roster he might push for slot duties vs some of the second year players, with plans to be groomed for more...."

Literally almost verbatim man. The cbs ahead of Moreland-
Norman
Dunbar
DRC
Moreau
Stroman
Adonis
And Johnson

He has a chance to move higger up.. But a 7th rounder better then a previous NFL pro bowler?? If he was a day one starter dont ya think a team that is known for masterfully drafting like the Pats would've scooped him up?
Peraonally I'd like to see him fight for safety duty... With Collins the punisher and he the ball hawk, could be a deadlt duo!

Ill take the jr whopper bet though... I guess if he takes JNos position, you win?

Jimmy had a pick to end vet mini camp, his second... It was a good ball and catch by Cam Simms and a should be TD.. But the fiesty Moreland ripped it out of his hands for the pick/ strip. Called a pick but it was close.

In perspective that means with that one and the one he caught off a tip totals 5... Though, 3 came in one day at rookie mini camp.

JNo? Had at least 3 that I read about... Ending camp with a pick six of his own. Some referee speculation if he stepped out or not but clearly a great play where he jumped the route.

Also video evidence that JNo was the last player on the field on a few occasions working on foot work drills. I like that.

This guy gets a bad rap- mainly due to the price tag but also all the penalties.. Alot of tvose were pretty damn weak IMO, but he does need to play smarter at times.
*** I for one LOVE me some Norman!! He has great cover skills, is fiesty af, gets into the minds of wideouts, doesnt quit (LATE in the play strip fumbles made), speaks his mind, is well spoken, a vocal leader, and a team player.

Anyone remember him causing ODB to lose his marbles??? Kicking the kicking net that fell and hit him im the face??! Shutting down Dez???
Im excited AF to see him with Collins in the back field!!!

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:I'll bet a dollar Moreland is better than Norman right now. Hell Ii'll make it a buck fifty. Watch out there goes Moreland with another pick 6

Don't know if I ever said this but here goes.. Sonny Jurgensen is the best damn QB ever. Ever! G@$ Da*#^ !!!

By your count thats 3 pick sixes?

I think its 1... Vs a non tackling Offense nonetheless.

Do you even read the articles? "..and get ready to hear redskins nation lose their minds for a roster hopeful. 7th rounder Jimmy Moreland had 3 picks today making him the bonefied OTA hype machine. With definitive ball skills his lack of size and doesnt seem to have the same 4.4 speed in coverage will be an issue vs NFL recievers- especially the bigger ones. Not a great tackler but wraps up well can take poor angles when in pursuit. With a crowded db room he will have to show much more once the pads are on and the ability to play on special teams would help. If he makes the roster he might push for slot duties vs some of the second year players, with plans to be groomed for more...."

Literally almost verbatim man. The cbs ahead of Moreland-
Norman
Dunbar
DRC
Moreau
Stroman
Adonis
And Johnson

He has a chance to move higger up.. But a 7th rounder better then a previous NFL pro bowler?? If he was a day one starter dont ya think a team that is known for masterfully drafting like the Pats would've scooped him up?
Peraonally I'd like to see him fight for safety duty... With Collins the punisher and he the ball hawk, could be a deadlt duo!

Ill take the jr whopper bet though... I guess if he takes JNos position, you win?

The watch out there goes Moreland for a pick 6 is a just a joke not a literal count on how many. Don't take these comments so seriously. The list of CBs ahead of him on the roster is just PC for the ones already there and it being so early in the process. Don't take what you read so seriously as verbatim fact. What are they going to say Moreland has locked down a starting role after 2 weeks of camp????? And I'm not sure what the Patriots have to do with locking down drafting all the gems of the draft and nobody else can do this. What does that mean? Since the Patriots didn't draft him he isn't a great DB? Do I have to make a list of al the other Pro Bowl talent drafted in the 6th and 7th round or undrafted that the Patriots (wisest team in the league) didn't swoop in and draft because they are the only ones who know these things .

Stroman is a damn good CB. I only wish he was a tad bit faster. If he was he would be the best on the roster. Unless Moreland keeps doing what he is doing. Watch out the Patriota are on the phone trying to make a trade for Moreland.

But a 7th rounder better then a previous NFL pro bowler?? Yea why not? I guess you think the law of averages makes your point. I don't think so.
Shannon Sharpe , Antonio Brown, Richard Sherman come to mind as I sit here. The Patriots must have missed him. Probably in the bathroom at the time.

Sherman is 6'3 and was drafted in the 5th.. I never said gems canr be found late- ie TB12 the GOAT. The Pats was just an example of a team that could use a cb and drafts well. We arent known for great drafting- although the last few years have been pretty damn good imo.

My point was that you are turning an ant hill into a mountain. He had a good camp.. And a great day of camp. But there are also variables we dont know- like work ethic. Can he work his azz off and become JNos successor?? Absolutely!
Is he going to do it year one? Doubtful. Very.
All rooks have a learning curve. None of the guys you mentioned were year one probowlers, not even TB12!

Cut Norman? Nah fam

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Sherman is 6'3 and was drafted in the 5th.. I never said gems canr be found late- ie TB12 the GOAT. The Pats was just an example of a team that could use a cb and drafts well. We arent known for great drafting- although the last few years have been pretty damn good imo.

My point was that you are turning an ant hill into a mountain. He had a good camp.. And a great day of camp. But there are also variables we dont know- like work ethic. Can he work his azz off and become JNos successor?? Absolutely!
Is he going to do it year one? Doubtful. Very.
All rooks have a learning curve. None of the guys you mentioned were year one probowlers, not even TB12!

Cut Norman? Nah fam

Year I think Haskins becoming a successor in year one is doubtful too. Very. All rooks have learning curves and variables we don't know. Moreland playing well and getting it done is no molehill. Unless you are saying that since he is having a good camp against your favorite and you need to rationalize what is going on. I understand. Getting outplayed doesn't feel good. Nor should it.

I hope for the Redskins sake Haskins figures this all out. I'm glad we have Keenum and Colt to hopefully help him out because playing QB at Ohio State where anyone could put up big numbers is a totally different thing. He isn't going to have all day and wide open receivers like he was used to. Hopefully that big arm can get him out of trouble if he is accurate or the big arm will be firing bullets to the other teams 2 and 3s. And if thats the case then Norman will be see plenty of time to earn his pay if he can stop holding. With this new pass interference rule Norman may be in deep trouble

Its not a love affair thing man.. I, like you, just want to WIN BABY!!
I want the best players on the field to give us the best chance to win week in and week out. Mooreland hasnt been pwning Haskins by any stretch- as he has intercepted all 3 qbs right? Im just stressing its June... Last year Keenum didnt throw an INT all summer, big whoop right? Now, inbthis new system, the qbs are facing a FIERCE Defense and it has shown. Protection is crap and tining is off. Is Haskims ready? Not yet. But he has shown glimpses- its a gresr comparrison to Mooreland.. Showing promise.

Its not my guy vs your guy... Everyone one of these guys that elevate thier play to make the roster are OUR guys- ya know?

Im rooting for both

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/6/11/186 ... ining-camp


Im excited for this D... Not just Dwayne Haskins, but the Defense should be a problem this year, in a good way! Keenum went all summer without throwing a pick here in CO for Denver last year- not the Case this year! LMAO saw mention of pick 6 and another int...

No mention of Moreland returning punts which I find strange... Has hands, vision, wheels... And if he is low on the depth chart youd want him to add to his resume with special teams. I expect to see him back there in camp tho.

Some tidbits from camp... Haskins is putting in work- last one off the field... Staying at Redskins park most the time between now and camp... Get the feeling he is doing everything he can to make the most of his opportunity, I dig that. Apke and Everett getting praise.. Sweat apparently covers half the field in two strides lol... Silly stuff but its all we get until camp

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/re ... projection

Team looking good except at one area. Tackle. One injury or holdout this offense struggles at best. We have no Tackles that can back up injury prone group we have now. There isn't even one player who comes close to Moses or Trent. I have a feeling this weakness will bite this team like a Taipan snake before half the season is gone and then any sense of a working offense goes out the window. It's a huge deal and could take a pretty good team we have now and send it spiraling to the worst of teams if either Moses or Trent can not get on the field. It will be night and day when it happens and i seriously think it is going to happen.

They better pick up some competent tackles at some point even it means giving up a draft pick. Just imagine Haskins right now without Trent or Moses blocking for him trying to get off a pass or not get sacked. I shudder the visual and the bad decisions that stem from that. Haskins is doomed the instant this happens un less the team finds somebody capable. In fact Haskins needs to sweet talk Trent about that bump on his head that was benign right now. Every other position we have pretty good depth or capable players but at Tackle we have zero depth. Nada

Note to Trent: If you're worried about some possible serious health issue go see a real doctor that specializes in these things and leave the sports training staff out of the situation totally and completely. Einstein

Erick Flowers and Geron Christian suck popsicles. Geron a 3rd round pick. Probably 30 other tackles better than him at the time. There isn't a team that will give you a 5th for him right now if he was healthy. Amazing how bad this team can waste a rather high draft pick on a player that should go undrafted or the late 6th or 7th

Sonny9TD wrote:Erick Flowers and Geron Christian suck popsicles.

I don't know about Christian but Flowers at LT is a frightening thought. I've been reading some opinions that he might not even make the roster as a GUARD.

riggofan wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Erick Flowers and Geron Christian suck popsicles.

I don't know about Christian but Flowers at LT is a frightening thought. I've been reading some opinions that he might not even make the roster as a GUARD.

I find that hard to believe since he's not even able to play guard right now with the absence of Trent Williams. Not only do we not have Trent but there's no way to know how they play next to each other. I suppose it's possible Flowers is that bad but nothing I saw of him at guard said he's worse than a whole lot of guards looking for work. He's also younger and cheaper. The problem, obviously, is we need a starting left guard. Flowers kind of needs to be that guy. I'm going to reserve judgment until we see training camp and preseason games. I don't see how anyone could come to that conclusion from minicamp.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I find that hard to believe since he's not even able to play guard right now with the absence of Trent Williams. Not only do we not have Trent but there's no way to know how they play next to each other. I suppose it's possible Flowers is that bad but nothing I saw of him at guard said he's worse than a whole lot of guards looking for work. He's also younger and cheaper. The problem, obviously, is we need a starting left guard. Flowers kind of needs to be that guy. I'm going to reserve judgment until we see training camp and preseason games. I don't see how anyone could come to that conclusion from minicamp.

Fair point, just noting some opinions I've read. Personally I'm DYING to see Flowers come through and be a quality starting LG for us this year. 1) That position has been such a pain point for the past few years. And 2) I'd love nothing more than to double the Giants pain by developing their former first rounder.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I find that hard to believe since he's not even able to play guard right now with the absence of Trent Williams. Not only do we not have Trent but there's no way to know how they play next to each other. I suppose it's possible Flowers is that bad but nothing I saw of him at guard said he's worse than a whole lot of guards looking for work. He's also younger and cheaper. The problem, obviously, is we need a starting left guard. Flowers kind of needs to be that guy. I'm going to reserve judgment until we see training camp and preseason games. I don't see how anyone could come to that conclusion from minicamp.

Fair point, just noting some opinions I've read. Personally I'm DYING to see Flowers come through and be a quality starting LG for us this year. 1) That position has been such a pain point for the past few years. And 2) I'd love nothing more than to double the Giants pain by developing their former first rounder.

There's no way in hell Flowers could be worse than Shaun Lauvao was 75% of the time. It's not humanly possible.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:There's no way in hell Flowers could be worse than Shaun Lauvao was 75% of the time. It's not humanly possible.

Was Lauvao actually bad? Or was he just hurt all the time? Or both? I honestly can't remember.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:There's no way in hell Flowers could be worse than Shaun Lauvao was 75% of the time. It's not humanly possible.

Was Lauvao actually bad? Or was he just hurt all the time? Or both? I honestly can't remember.

I'm going to go with "both." When Lauvao was healthy, which wasn't often, he was actually pretty good. That's probably why they drafted a guy who compares to Lauvao in Wes Martin.

Martin will start at LG. Tackle is the problem when one of them gets hurt. There are no other Tackles.

Couldn't he just lay down?? And add a chip block from the rb... Should be about where we were before Trent

Wasn't Chris Samuels before Trent? I know he missed some games at the end with that neck problem, but I thought Trent came in the following draft