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Sonny9TD wrote:outstanding

https://www.richmond.com/sports/redskin ... 6c213.html

Give us a clue?
That site is forbidden to us in the UK!!

ferryrich wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:outstanding

https://www.richmond.com/sports/redskin ... 6c213.html

Give us a clue?
That site is forbidden to us in the UK!!

It is? Geez, it's just the Richmond, Virginia newspaper. It says Moreland had three interceptions and the defense played like we expect. It says the offense was missing some players (understatement) so it's harder to evaluate their performance. It says Haskins made some amazing throws but missed a few "easy" ones. It says Gruden would rather not deal with Hard Knocks again but he will if he has to. It says Gruden thinks he has to reach the playoffs to keep his job after next season.

I'm not going to copy and paste it here because copyright infringement is a thing.

Thanks, I was only after the highlights.

The EU brought in some data protection laws last year, which (some?) sites either need to comply with, or block access. I've found a few regional papers in the US block access

Sonny9TD wrote:outstanding

https://www.richmond.com/sports/redskin ... 6c213.html

Which part? The "Haskins making some pro-bowl caliber throws"?

Or Keenum getting "coached on short rb tosses"?

Which part? The "Haskins making some pro-bowl caliber throws"?

Or Keenum getting "coached on short rb tosses"?[/quote]


with another Moreland interception, his third, and a 100-yard celebration by the defense as he trotted towards the other end zone.

"He's aggravating," said quarterback Dwayne Haskins, who offered up the interception. "I'm glad he's on our team."

Haskins and fellow quarterback Case Keenum struggled to get any kind of momentum going,




I really should check in here more often. The part after Haskins offering up the interception for a pick 6 part. The part where Moreland is on our team!!

Which means maybe we should cut Norman and pay Trent Williams what he wants. Because our QBs need all the help they can get. GET WELL COLT!!!

https://clutchpoints.com/redskins-news- ... -contract/

Sonny9TD wrote:Which means maybe we should cut Norman and pay Trent Williams what he wants. Because our QBs need all the help they can get.

https://clutchpoints.com/redskins-news- ... -contract/

Trent Williams can't keep his ass on the field for 16 games because he likes to *f$ck* around with the dope so *f$ck* his salary demands. I couldn't care less about marijuana but when your ass is paid that much money to not smoke it then you should have the self-discipline to not smoke the *sh$t* and get suspended.

Man, that's a tough one. My gut says "You gotta pay Trent", but my mind says you'd better lock up the younger Scherff first.

I don't buy into this Trent can't keep himself on the field stuff either. That dude is a warrior who has been playing through injuries for years. The marijuana stuff was three years ago.

Regardless, Trent Williams contract drama isn't really what we need right now.

riggofan wrote:Man, that's a tough one. My gut says "You gotta pay Trent", but my mind says you'd better lock up the younger Scherff first.

I don't buy into this Trent can't keep himself on the field stuff either. That dude is a warrior who has been playing through injuries for years. The marijuana stuff was three years ago.

Regardless, Trent Williams contract drama isn't really what we need right now.

He's under contract for the next two years. He can sit on the bench. It's not going to matter.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:He's under contract for the next two years. He can sit on the bench. It's not going to matter.

He's one of the best LTs in the league, and he's comparatively underpaid. If I were him I'd think twice about playing injured in week 13.

Dude has a limited window to make the most money he can as a player. I don't begrudge him using whatever leverage he has to maximize his earnings.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:He's under contract for the next two years. He can sit on the bench. It's not going to matter.

He's one of the best LTs in the league, and he's comparatively underpaid. If I were him I'd think twice about playing injured in week 13.

Dude has a limited window to make the most money he can as a player. I don't begrudge him using whatever leverage he has to maximize his earnings.

I don't begrudge him but the Skins have to start preparing for the future and it's hard to do that by signing 30+ year old players to huge contracts. You said yourself they need to pay Scherff. They will need to pay a number of other players. I'd probably feel better about paying Trent if he, Alex Smith, and Josh Norman weren't already eating $50MM against the cap.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I don't begrudge him but the Skins have to start preparing for the future and it's hard to do that by signing 30+ year old players to huge contracts. You said yourself they need to pay Scherff. They will need to pay a number of other players. I'd probably feel better about paying Trent if he, Alex Smith, and Josh Norman weren't already eating $50MM against the cap.

Yeah but he's not a 35 year old LT. He's a 30 year old LT. I'm not saying you have to break the bank on him, but its not crazy to expect to have him around for another four years as your starting left tackle.

Your points are valid though. The Norman and Smith money both kind of suck for different reasons.

He's already in the top (6?) averages. I'm all for adding extra years on with a bit of a bump, but he should be happy on what he's on for this year at least.
He might just want it for some longer term security considering his health, both on field and off

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I don't begrudge him but the Skins have to start preparing for the future and it's hard to do that by signing 30+ year old players to huge contracts. You said yourself they need to pay Scherff. They will need to pay a number of other players. I'd probably feel better about paying Trent if he, Alex Smith, and Josh Norman weren't already eating $50MM against the cap.

Yeah but he's not a 35 year old LT. He's a 30 year old LT. I'm not saying you have to break the bank on him, but its not crazy to expect to have him around for another four years as your starting left tackle.

Your points are valid though. The Norman and Smith money both kind of suck for different reasons.

If they really want to pay Trent they should cut Norman and save $11.5MM against the cap. But he is currently the 4th highest paid LT so how much money should they be willing to give him?

Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

Sonny9TD wrote:Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

I'd rather we not pay anyone who won't be around in five years. It's time for a different strategy.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

I'd rather we not pay anyone who won't be around in five years. It's time for a different strategy.

This whole team might not be around in 5 years. Go back 5 years and see who was around then and now. Not too many. Paying good players thru a contract is just the way it is.

Sonny9TD wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

I'd rather we not pay anyone who won't be around in five years. It's time for a different strategy.

This whole team might not be around in 5 years. Go back 5 years and see who was around then and now. Not too many. Paying good players thru a contract is just the way it is.

Haskins and Guice had better be around in five years. The teams that have had the most success recently do not throw huge contracts at players. Bruce Allen seems to have missed that.

Sonny9TD wrote:Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

LMMFAO this is a ridiculous statement man... Its as if you run with every good post about a Rookie EXCEPT Haskins. I could careless about that, your issues with him are probably RGiii aftershock... So thats understandable.

But Moreland replacing Norman??? Gtfoh! The kid had a damn good day of camp- with shorts on... He will be lucky to start on special teams and blessed if he can be a rotational guy at the slot.

Thats silly.

Norman is our best cb, might not be the best in the league but we arent in any position to just cut him to pay Trent.

Signing Sherff to a long term deal sgould actually free up monies this year is my understanding?

Trent? Idk man... Cut Smith and Colt.

"Get better soon Colt"

You must have meant get better at football- not in health right?? LMMFAO yer crazy brah!

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

LMMFAO this is a ridiculous statement man... Its as if you run with every good post about a Rookie EXCEPT Haskins. I could careless about that, your issues with him are probably RGiii aftershock... So thats understandable.

But Moreland replacing Norman??? Gtfoh! The kid had a damn good day of camp- with shorts on... He will be lucky to start on special teams and blessed if he can be a rotational guy at the slot.

Thats silly.

Norman is our best cb, might not be the best in the league but we arent in any position to just cut him to pay Trent.

Signing Sherff to a long term deal sgould actually free up monies this year is my understanding?

Trent? Idk man... Cut Smith and Colt.

"Get better soon Colt"

You must have meant get better at football- not in health right?? LMMFAO yer crazy brah!

Even if Moreland is a marginal backup it makes more sense to play him and see what they have than to keep paying Norman like he's a shutdown corner. The Skins could save $11.5MM against the cap by releasing him, which is more than they are paying Trent Williams this season.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

Sonny9TD wrote:Which is why I say we cut Norman and put Moreland or Moreau in. Take the money and pay Sherff and Williams and me as GM and let the good times roll.

LMMFAO this is a ridiculous statement man... Its as if you run with every good post about a Rookie EXCEPT Haskins. I could careless about that, your issues with him are probably RGiii aftershock... So thats understandable.

But Moreland replacing Norman??? Gtfoh! The kid had a damn good day of camp- with shorts on... He will be lucky to start on special teams and blessed if he can be a rotational guy at the slot.

Thats silly.

Norman is our best cb, might not be the best in the league but we arent in any position to just cut him to pay Trent.

Signing Sherff to a long term deal sgould actually free up monies this year is my understanding?


Trent? Idk man... Cut Smith and Colt.

"Get better soon Colt"

You must have meant get better at football- not in health right?? LMMFAO yer crazy brah!

I see you really think Haskins a rookie can step in and get it done but Moreland can't based on what? That is just pure infatuation. Why is it crazy Moreland can play CB as good as Haskins can play QB unless you really have a thing for Haskins. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I noticed you kind of started cheerleading for Haskins when i posted the Outstanding thread about Moreland showing why he was drafted in the first place with him picking off Haskins for a pick six and all.


What gets me is that Moreland is intercepting Haskins but he will be the one lucky to make the practice squad? Should be easy to throw the ball in shorts. A lucky to make the practice squad picking off Haskins for pick six. That wasn't the only interception Moreland picked from him either. Hate to see what a CB who actually plays in the NFL so much better than Moreland will do with your favorite QB in a real game instead of just being in shorts and all.

No i'm actually hoping Colt gets better physically so he can play. I think he can play pretty good already. I wouldn't put Haskins being better than Colt just yet. With Moreland being a rookie you can't trust him just yet to step in now can we i guess is why you don't think Moreland can do the job? Haskins doesn't have that problem of being a rookie. No wait.

By the way if you think Norman is at least 15 million dollars better than Moreland or any other CB on the team i fail to see the logic. Especially with Moreland being the one who picked him off a few times. But we both know how much better Haskins is compared to Moreland


Norman doesn't deserve the money he is getting a lot more so than Colt or Case. Norman our best CB based on what? He gets paid ridiculous amounts of money to be maybe and i mean maybe better than Dunbar. In fact when Dunbar was healthy he was better than Norman or surely not 15 million dollars better than Dunbar. Please. I would cut Norman today if we are in a pinch for money. If we are not i guess i could see paying him money he hasn't earned one more season. Cutting Colt for an unproven rookie is not very smart in the least. Yea i would have no problem cutting Norman unless he can be kept and pay every else as well. Come on now brah.

Good reply.

Just off base. You cant put words into my mouth man, that isnt a conversation. I've never said a Rookie qb with ONE year starting in the ncaa is going to come in and not face any adversity or growing pains. I never even said he was a day one starter, or that he is the best qb in the room.

That said, I HAVE said that Keenum isn't that great of a qb and isnt a dat one lock either... And that both qbs will be learning the new system at the same time. So, lets see who shines before we just sit him behind a guy who is on his 3rd team in as many years. Seems like common sense to me?

Colt McCoy is NOTHING special man.. He is an aging career backup who broke his leg in his chance last year. Nothing against the guy, that one time years back when he beat Dullass... That was cool! I feel just as confident with Keenum and Haskins as I did last year with Smith and Colt . We cant cut Smith, but we dont need 4 qbs on pay roll. If it comes down to needing three we are screwed, just like last year. So ya, cut Colt now so he can land elsewhere and Smith can still help with x's and o's in a boot.

Moreland intercepted both qbs by the way- why are you spinning this wierd Haskins hate wheel? One of them was a tipped pass... Good for Mooreland! Doesn't magically make him a pro bowler man. You'd rather put Dunny on the number 1 wr and insert Moreland? Ok... How many games did Dunny play last year? Year before? Rigggght...

Norman isnt the best cb in the league... He is OUR best cb. Has had multiple turnovers every year, and with a better back field maybe we see the ROI you speak of. Or matbe we can restructure... But we dont have the luxury to just cut our best cb. It would leave a glaring whole on a pretty stout Defense. Why would we?

I really have to add... You are 1 comparing 2 different positions qb vs db... But also- Dwayne was a top pick in the first round! Yes my expectatuons to see him on the field year one are higher then that of a 7th round flyer.

I actually HOPE Haskins can learn behind Keenum all year en route to a SuperBowl.. Just dont think thats super realistic- and want him to be the clear cut better option.

So far its a wash. Keenum is more consistent, as a what 8 year vet? Should be... And Haskins has the highlight reel throws each day.

Moreland hasn't been mentioned all week

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Good reply.

Just off base. You cant put words into my mouth man, that isnt a conversation. I've never said a Rookie qb with ONE year starting in the ncaa is going to come in and not face any adversity or growing pains. I never even said he was a day one starter, or that he is the best qb in the room.

That said, I HAVE said thatand isnt a dat one lock either... And that both qbs will be learning the new system at the same time. So, lets see who shines before we just sit him behind a guy who is on his 3rd team in as many years. Seems like common sense to me?

. He is an aging career backup who broke his leg in his chance last year. Nothing against the guy, that one time years back when he beat Dullass... That was cool! I feel just as confident with Keenum and Haskins as I did last year with Smith and Colt . We cant cut Smith, but we dont need 4 qbs on pay roll. If it comes down to needing three we are screwed, just like last year. So ya, cut Colt now so he can land elsewhere and Smith can still help with x's and o's in a boot.

Moreland intercepted both qbs by the way- why are you spinning this wierd Haskins hate wheel? One of them was a tipped pass... Good for Mooreland! Doesn't magically make him a pro bowler man. You'd rather put Dunny on the number 1 wr and insert Moreland? Ok... How many games did Dunny play last year? Year before? Rigggght...

Norman isnt the best cb in the league... He is OUR best cb. Has had multiple turnovers every year, and with a better back field maybe we see the ROI you speak of. Or matbe we can restructure... But we dont have the luxury to just cut our best cb. It would leave a glaring whole on a pretty stout Defense. Why would we?

I don't remember saying Moreland was a Pro Bowler. Yet! As far as Dunny not playing. That was because he was hurt. When he did play he was the best CB on the field. So the question of how many times did Dunny play last year or the year before rigggght doesn't prove any point at all. Norman is our best CB is an opinion. He may be by a sliver. Maybe. Maybe not. Seems to me Norman was getting his arse handed to him by most receivers when I was watching. He is good enough to start but he isn't leaving no gaping whole if he was cut by any measurement what so ever. The money he gets is not equal to the performance he delivers. No where near in fact. That is stolen money if you ask me. And even if you don't.

Moreland intercepted both QBs you say. The man can play is what you meant. Wouldn't surprise me if he is as good as Norman. I would have no problem with Dunny on the number 1 receiver by the way. None at all.

I believe it was you who was putting Haskins in the Pro Bowl. Here is your quote "Which part? The "Haskins making some pro-bowl caliber throws"? My retort. Doesn't magically make him a pro bowler man. I think Moreland is one up in the Pro Bowl selection right now.

And you also stated above "I never even said he was a day one starter, or that he is the best qb in the room." As far as putting words in your mouth you have covered the Haskins is wonderful just fine by yourself. And yes you have said he will start and is the best QB in the room. Colt McCoy is NOTHING special man. Keenum isn't that great of a qb. Your words not mine. Hey watch out there goes Moreland with another pick 6. Somebody better tell him to get back to the practice squad.

Lol you crack me up

Haskins is the most talented qb on roster.

Keenum will start most likely due to his experience making the new O easier to learn and more consistent on field. We have a poll man, most agreed he'd start at some point after game 6 or what ever... I just told you I hope we have the Mohmes luxury of waiting- we shall see.

Mooreland isn't even top 3 cb man, sorry. He has ball hawking skills but also has been burnt. He is playing mainly with the 2s and 3s and not in pads. I have as much hope as you that he is a pro bowler- just temper my expectations in June where the qbs have a *sh$t* oline and are having to gid rid of the ball early since our dline is savage af.. That helps all the dbs, but good for him. When pads are on, then we can judge better is alls im saying. We can bet money once we see how these guys perform when isht is real lol